NOW WE CAN JUDGE!

[Jetster]

Until you find a franchise QB it's impossible to know if you have the right people running your organization. Look at the Green Bay Packers when Aaron Rogers went down, they looked worse than the Jets. Carr gets hurt & the Raiders suck. Watson gets hurt & Texans look like sh*t. Palmer goes down & the Cards can't compete. Franchise QBs make GMs look like geniuses. Mike McCarthy was a lost puppy without Rogers. 

The Jets TEAM actually played pretty well last year and were in every game until the Broncos knocked McCown out & completely punked them. They crushed Buffalo who made the playoffs in their 2nd meeting. They were a terrible reversal away from maybe shocking the Patriots and they did this with a terrible starting center & Winters playing with an abdominal tear, Forte who was finished, literally no #2 cornerback.

The Jets signed a new center, Winters should be healthy, signed Johnson & moved Morris to the #2 CB spot, added Terrelle Pryor, Enunwa should be back, signed Crowell who is way better and younger than Forte, cut lazy Mo and added two hard working youngsters in Shepard & Foley, added a younger LB at ILB in Williamson, added Minter as very good pro vet, have Adams & Maye in their sophomore seasons, Shell will be better & more experienced, Hansen may step up in his 2nd year, have Leggett coming back after being on IR and drafted Herndon, drafted Nickerson to push & hopefully take Skrines spot. 

I think Macc has done a lot to improve the team 2 years into this true rebuild. And most importantly we finally have our franchise QB going into our 3rd year in 2019 and he did it without giving up 2019s 1st round pick. We're going into 2018s summer camp with McCown, Bridgewater & Darnold. McCown is a player/coach, Bridgewater is fighting for his football career & they are both great team players. Darnold can learn so much from these guys about the QB position, being a leader and handling everything going on around him, the noise of being a QB. 

I want to root for a team that works hard & that I actually like. I think we're going to love the work ethic & hustle of this team next year, plus we now have enough young veterans at all levels that will set the tone for doing things right, learning from their mistakes, doing the work in the film room, bringing enthusiasm to the job of being an NFL player. Kearse, Enunwa, are leader types, Williams & Adams same thing, Trumaine & Morris know how to do their job, and the rest of the roster has been filled with a bunch of grinders. 

There will definitely be an air of confidence in Florham park this summer. Things are looking up & the future looks bright with Darnold on board. 2018 should be the springboard that ratchets up the excitement going into the 3rd year of this rebuild in 2019. You might think I'm being ridiculously optimistic but just look at this teams future in a division with an aging Brady/Gronk, Miami reeling, the Bills just starting their rebuild & an AFC conference with an aging Big Ben & Rivers, Flacco, Jaguars still have Bortles, this really could be the start of something amazing for the New York Jets. Hard to believe we're only 2 years removed from what was the Nadir of 2016 when I seriously was starting to distance myself from the team I've rooted for since 1968. I don't think I hated a Jet team more than that 2016 team. Watching Darnold stroll up to the podium & put on that Jet hat instantly renewed by interest in football and the NY Jets again.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

I thought this was gonna be a thread about how we've had three years to evaluate the first class and Leonard Williams isn't Vic Beasley and everybody else sucks.

[mrcoops]

1 minute ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I thought this was gonna be a thread about how we've had three years to evaluate the first class and Leonard Williams isn't Vic Beasley and everybody else sucks.

It's not too late to turn it into that...

[Villain The Foe]

This actually sounds like it's much harder to know if you have the right people running your organization when you have an elite/franchise QB. If Darnold is good/great, does that make Bowles a competent head coach suddenly? Of course not. 

 

I'd rather give credit to a coaching staff and front office of the Jacksonville Jaguars, a team that's really good despite their piss-poor quarterback. You put a good QB on that team and it's pretty much a wrap. 

I'd rather give credit to the Philadelpha Eagles, a team that folks gave all praise to their 2nd year QB....but when he got hurt they won the SB with their back up QB. 

I'd rather give credit to the Minnesota Vikings, going to the NFCCG and almost being the first team to have home field advantage in a superbowl....all with Case Keenum as their QB. 

What about the teams like the one's mentioned above that either had no QB but put together a solid team, or had a Franchise QB but lost him to injury and had to depend on depth? 

Stuff like "winning it all with your back up QB" is indication that you have the right people running your organization. 

Green Bay simply has Aaron Rodgers. That's not properly running an organization at all, but just establishing a legacy on the back of a quarterback. 

Tom Brady was removed twice from the Patriots during his era, all Belichick did was win regardless. That's how you know that Belichick is the right man running that organization. 

Waiting for your franchise QB means nothing if you're not going to put any talent around him. And unless he's elite, and I mean truly one of the greats, then you may make the playoffs here and there...but you really have no chance at winning it all. Look at Phillip Rivers. He's a franchise guy but he's not elite. The Chargers have been stuck in the mud for a decade, only seeing the playoffs once this current decade. Completely wasted his career. 

Having a QB can actually cause you to keep a terrible GM/HC too long.

 

It's hard for me to agree that Macc has been doing a good job going into his 4th year and is now on his 2nd rebuild. It's hard for me to say that the "Jets TEAM" actually played well last year when they won just 5 games. "Playing well" and "Playing better than expected" are two different things, but also exposes Macc again, because if the Jets winning 5 games was basically playing better than expected then what does that say for the team that Macc put together when overachieving means winning 5 games? 

I think the Darnold pick is really good in comparison to what we've had to deal with, but I refuse to pretend like Macc has put together a well balanced team that was simply looking for the final piece that is the QB or that Bowles is competent and simply needs the QB. Teams that have been built and are well coached but were missing QB's were still able to display talent given the overall talent on the team. 

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

This actually sounds like it's much harder to know if you have the right people running your organization when you have an elite/franchise QB. If Darnold is good/great, does that make Bowles a competent head coach suddenly? Of course not. 

 

I'd rather give credit to a coaching staff and front office of the Jacksonville Jaguars, a team that's really good despite their piss-poor quarterback. You put a good QB on that team and it's pretty much a wrap. 

I'd rather give credit to the Philadelpha Eagles, a team that folks gave all praise to their 2nd year QB....but when he got hurt they won the SB with their back up QB. 

I'd rather give credit to the Minnesota Vikings, going to the NFCCG and almost being the first team to have home field advantage in a superbowl....all with Case Keenum as their QB. 

What about the teams like the one's mentioned above that either had no QB but put together a solid team, or had a Franchise QB but lost him to injury and had to depend on depth? 

Stuff like "winning it all with your back up QB" is indication that you have the right people running your organization. 

Green Bay simply has Aaron Rodgers. That's not properly running an organization at all, but just establishing a legacy on the back of a quarterback. 

Tom Brady was removed twice from the Patriots during his era, all Belichick did was win regardless. That's how you know that Belichick is the right man running that organization. 

Waiting for your franchise QB means nothing if you're not going to put any talent around him. And unless he's elite, and I mean truly one of the greats, then you may make the playoffs here and there...but you really have no chance at winning it all. Look at Phillip Rivers. He's a franchise guy but he's not elite. The Chargers have been stuck in the mud for a decade, only seeing the playoffs once this current decade. Completely wasted his career. 

Having a QB can actually cause you to keep a terrible GM/HC too long.

 

It's hard for me to agree that Macc has been doing a good job going into his 4th year and is now on his 2nd rebuild. It's hard for me to say that the "Jets TEAM" actually played well last year when they won just 5 games. "Playing well" and "Playing better than expected" are two different things, but also exposes Macc again, because if the Jets winning 5 games was basically playing better than expected then what does that say for the team that Macc put together when overachieving means winning 5 games? 

I think the Darnold pick is really good in comparison to what we've had to deal with, but I refuse to pretend like Macc has put together a well balanced team that was simply looking for the final piece that is the QB or that Bowles is competent and simply needs the QB. Teams that have been built and are well coached but were missing QB's were still able to display talent given the overall talent on the team. 

Sorry, breaking out the Patriots routine is ridiculous. Your talking about a team that has had the same "system" for 18 years! Just because coaches left, the system didn't change & the QB didn't change. They went 11-5 with Cassel, go back & look at who they beat, they played the weakest schedule in the NFL that year & the Jets BEAT them in Gillette on a Thursday night primetime game.

In 2016 they beat the Cardinals with Garapolo after the Cards kicker missed a FG to win it. They beat Fins & Texans (Osweiller,lol) at home & lost to the Bills at home. World beaters, lol.

Are you going to tell me that Don Shula was not a good coach? He couldn't win a Super Bowl with Marino. But he won a Super Bowl with a bunch of grinders & heady QB before Marinos time. 

So far, I'm not a fan of Bowles, but I'm willing to see where this goes with competent OC in Bates on board with a very young good prospect at QB. Bowles & Rogers better show me something on defense this year, my patience is running out on this supposed defensive guru (that's what we were told when he arrived here). 

[Villain The Foe]

7 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Sorry, breaking out the Patriots routine is ridiculous. Your talking about a team that has had the same "system" for 18 years! Just because coaches left, the system didn't change & the QB didn't change. They went 11-5 with Cassel, go back & look at who they beat, they played the weakest schedule in the NFL that year & the Jets BEAT them in Gillette on a Thursday night primetime game.

In 2016 they beat the Cardinals with Garapolo after the Cards kicker missed a FG to win it. They beat Fins & Texans (Osweiller,lol) at home & lost to the Bills at home. World beaters, lol.

Are you going to tell me that Don Shula was not a good coach? He couldn't win a Super Bowl with Marino. But he won a Super Bowl with a bunch of grinders & heady QB before Marinos time. 

So far, I'm not a fan of Bowles, but I'm willing to see where this goes with competent OC in Bates on board with a very young good prospect at QB. Bowles & Rogers better show me something on defense this year, my patience is running out on this supposed defensive guru (that's what we were told when he arrived here). 

And yet I also mentioned the Vikes, Jags and Eagles. What's your excuse for them because obviously you decided to skip over the 1st three teams and go right into how the Patriots routine is ridiculous yet the fact that they've been in the same system for 18 years defeats your comment as you wrote it. 

 

No biggie, the bottomline is that you dont evaluate coaches when they have QB's or when they dont have QB's. You evaluate coaches on how they coach and deal with issues at positions. 

Bowles is a defensive-minded coach, we've literally spent 100's of millions on the secondary as well as premium picks on the secondary, defensive line and linebackers.....and the defense is still suspect. 

If Sam comes in and we start winning because we outscored opponents doesnt mean the defense got better. 

Arguing this wont change the facts, it simply proves that a QB makes coaching not as critical. 

[Bruce Harper]

3 hours ago, Jetster said:

Until you find a franchise QB it's impossible to know if you have the right people running your organization. Look at the Green Bay Packers when Aaron Rogers went down, they looked worse than the Jets. Carr gets hurt & the Raiders suck. Watson gets hurt & Texans look like sh*t. Palmer goes down & the Cards can't compete. Franchise QBs make GMs look like geniuses. Mike McCarthy was a lost puppy without Rogers. 

The Jets TEAM actually played pretty well last year and were in every game until the Broncos knocked McCown out & completely punked them. They crushed Buffalo who made the playoffs in their 2nd meeting. They were a terrible reversal away from maybe shocking the Patriots and they did this with a terrible starting center & Winters playing with an abdominal tear, Forte who was finished, literally no #2 cornerback.

The Jets signed a new center, Winters should be healthy, signed Johnson & moved Morris to the #2 CB spot, added Terrelle Pryor, Enunwa should be back, signed Crowell who is way better and younger than Forte, cut lazy Mo and added two hard working youngsters in Shepard & Foley, added a younger LB at ILB in Williamson, added Minter as very good pro vet, have Adams & Maye in their sophomore seasons, Shell will be better & more experienced, Hansen may step up in his 2nd year, have Leggett coming back after being on IR and drafted Herndon, drafted Nickerson to push & hopefully take Skrines spot. 

I think Macc has done a lot to improve the team 2 years into this true rebuild. And most importantly we finally have our franchise QB going into our 3rd year in 2019 and he did it without giving up 2019s 1st round pick. We're going into 2018s summer camp with McCown, Bridgewater & Darnold. McCown is a player/coach, Bridgewater is fighting for his football career & they are both great team players. Darnold can learn so much from these guys about the QB position, being a leader and handling everything going on around him, the noise of being a QB. 

I want to root for a team that works hard & that I actually like. I think we're going to love the work ethic & hustle of this team next year, plus we now have enough young veterans at all levels that will set the tone for doing things right, learning from their mistakes, doing the work in the film room, bringing enthusiasm to the job of being an NFL player. Kearse, Enunwa, are leader types, Williams & Adams same thing, Trumaine & Morris know how to do their job, and the rest of the roster has been filled with a bunch of grinders. 

There will definitely be an air of confidence in Florham park this summer. Things are looking up & the future looks bright with Darnold on board. 2018 should be the springboard that ratchets up the excitement going into the 3rd year of this rebuild in 2019. You might think I'm being ridiculously optimistic but just look at this teams future in a division with an aging Brady/Gronk, Miami reeling, the Bills just starting their rebuild & an AFC conference with an aging Big Ben & Rivers, Flacco, Jaguars still have Bortles, this really could be the start of something amazing for the New York Jets. Hard to believe we're only 2 years removed from what was the Nadir of 2016 when I seriously was starting to distance myself from the team I've rooted for since 1968. I don't think I hated a Jet team more than that 2016 team. Watching Darnold stroll up to the podium & put on that Jet hat instantly renewed by interest in football and the NY Jets again.

I love the optimistic take that shows up from time to time here as I am an optimist too.  Feel good about where things are heading.  Just wondering how long it will take.

[Patriot Killa]

3 hours ago, Jetster said:

Until you find a franchise QB it's impossible to know if you have the right people running your organization. Look at the Green Bay Packers when Aaron Rogers went down, they looked worse than the Jets. Carr gets hurt & the Raiders suck. Watson gets hurt & Texans look like sh*t. Palmer goes down & the Cards can't compete. Franchise QBs make GMs look like geniuses. Mike McCarthy was a lost puppy without Rogers. 

The Jets TEAM actually played pretty well last year and were in every game until the Broncos knocked McCown out & completely punked them. They crushed Buffalo who made the playoffs in their 2nd meeting. They were a terrible reversal away from maybe shocking the Patriots and they did this with a terrible starting center & Winters playing with an abdominal tear, Forte who was finished, literally no #2 cornerback.

The Jets signed a new center, Winters should be healthy, signed Johnson & moved Morris to the #2 CB spot, added Terrelle Pryor, Enunwa should be back, signed Crowell who is way better and younger than Forte, cut lazy Mo and added two hard working youngsters in Shepard & Foley, added a younger LB at ILB in Williamson, added Minter as very good pro vet, have Adams & Maye in their sophomore seasons, Shell will be better & more experienced, Hansen may step up in his 2nd year, have Leggett coming back after being on IR and drafted Herndon, drafted Nickerson to push & hopefully take Skrines spot. 

I think Macc has done a lot to improve the team 2 years into this true rebuild. And most importantly we finally have our franchise QB going into our 3rd year in 2019 and he did it without giving up 2019s 1st round pick. We're going into 2018s summer camp with McCown, Bridgewater & Darnold. McCown is a player/coach, Bridgewater is fighting for his football career & they are both great team players. Darnold can learn so much from these guys about the QB position, being a leader and handling everything going on around him, the noise of being a QB. 

I want to root for a team that works hard & that I actually like. I think we're going to love the work ethic & hustle of this team next year, plus we now have enough young veterans at all levels that will set the tone for doing things right, learning from their mistakes, doing the work in the film room, bringing enthusiasm to the job of being an NFL player. Kearse, Enunwa, are leader types, Williams & Adams same thing, Trumaine & Morris know how to do their job, and the rest of the roster has been filled with a bunch of grinders. 

There will definitely be an air of confidence in Florham park this summer. Things are looking up & the future looks bright with Darnold on board. 2018 should be the springboard that ratchets up the excitement going into the 3rd year of this rebuild in 2019. You might think I'm being ridiculously optimistic but just look at this teams future in a division with an aging Brady/Gronk, Miami reeling, the Bills just starting their rebuild & an AFC conference with an aging Big Ben & Rivers, Flacco, Jaguars still have Bortles, this really could be the start of something amazing for the New York Jets. Hard to believe we're only 2 years removed from what was the Nadir of 2016 when I seriously was starting to distance myself from the team I've rooted for since 1968. I don't think I hated a Jet team more than that 2016 team. Watching Darnold stroll up to the podium & put on that Jet hat instantly renewed by interest in football and the NY Jets again.

Really great post. Nothing wrong with being optimistic, I feel like if things break right for us and some players really start showing potential to fill roles during the season, such as Nickerson once Skrine’s contract is up and Foley/Shepherd/Anderson find productive roles..oh yeah, everything you are saying can really happen.

The next step is focusing on fixing the O-line and putting legit playmakers around Sam.

[pointman]

I tried and tried to read this thread with some level of care. I couldn't. I just, couldn't. 

[New York Mick]

Darnold hasn’t even taken a snap yet so no one has a clue if he’s the GOAT, a JAG or a bust so until we know that there isn’t sh*t to judge. 

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, New York Mick said:

Darnold hasn’t even taken a snap yet so no one has a clue if he’s the GOAT, a JAG or a bust so until we know that there isn’t sh*t to judge. 

And yet folks will totally ignore that fact. We're already crowning the GM and coach. 

[rangerous]

well yes, now we can judge the mac/bowles tandem because they've had a long enough time to mold the team the way they want.  as for the qb, they apparently finally got their guy for the future.  let him throw a few passes before putting him in canton though.  the rest of the team?  there are some holes just like any team but we really need to see this defense come alive.  they finally have a secondary that bowles can be proud of and it looks like the dline will be better than expected (in spite of launching those first round slugs).  yes the edge rusher still needs to be found but even that can be mitigated by good scheming and good team defensive play.

on offense it would've been good to add one or two more oline starters but what they've got may work out pretty well.  receivers don't have any big names and neither do the backs but together they may do very nicely.  and really, if they have to throw more than 25 or so times per game they will have a problem. hopefully the special teams will play smart football and not always try to run the ball out of the end zone or muff punts.

[bealeb319]

And yet folks will totally ignore that fact. We're already crowning the GM and coach. 

Mac deserves a crown. The trade up to 3 landed us the highest rated qb prospect in the draft but more importantly made it so our divisional rivals could not get a head of us and take "our guy" the bills ended up with "their qb" but it didn't come cheap and it was not our qb of choice. Maybe our guy ends up being very good maybe he sucks and theirs becomes Brady either way Mac put us in a position where he controlled the draft and not the bills or phins

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[Villain The Foe]

24 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

Mac deserves a crown. The trade up to 3 landed us the highest rated qb prospect in the draft but more importantly made it so our divisional rivals could not get a head of us and take "our guy" the bills ended up with "their qb" but it didn't come cheap and it was not our qb of choice. Maybe our guy ends up being very good maybe he sucks and theirs becomes Brady either way Mac put us in a position where he controlled the draft and not the bills or phins

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This doesnt make much sense. I wouldnt explain it, but it'll just end up being a debate and it's really not worth debating over. 

You're entitled to your view on the matter. 

[bealeb319]

This doesnt make much sense. I wouldnt explain it, but it'll just end up being a debate and it's really not worth debating over. 
You're entitled to your view on the matter. 

It is really simple he put us in a position to land a good qb prospect and hurt the chances of the bills and dolphins who desperately needed one of being able to move up

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[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, bealeb319 said:

It is really simple he put us in a position to land a good qb prospect and hurt the chances of the bills and dolphins who desperately needed one of being able to move up

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no doubt

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

And yet folks will totally ignore that fact. We're already crowning the GM and coach. 

Well they have already crowned Pat Mahomes as all pro too and he ain't done diddly squat.

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

Well they have already crowned Pat Mahomes as all pro too and he ain't done diddly squat.

Precisely, though what gives Mahomes a chance is that I've never seen a 1 year QB gifted a team that talented. 

It would be hard for Mahomes to mess that up. He has talent on every level of the offense and has a solid defense and special teams. 

[GATA]

I think your definition of pretty well might have to be reevaluated

[Lupz27]

Well first and foremost Kacy Rodgers is a HUGE issue, and needs to go badly.

The rest hopefully Darnold is good enough to hide IE Bowles boneheaded, and confusing in game decisions, well, and continuing to employ Kacy Rodgers.

[FidelioJet]

I will say this...

The defense has everything it needs to be successful.  I'm sorry, but no more excuses for Bowles on that side of the ball. 

His defense is predicated on tight man coverage - which gives defenders time to get to the QB.  While have a strong outside rush is great - he wanted to corners and safeties and that's what he got.

 

[Thai Jet]

11 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Precisely, though what gives Mahomes a chance is that I've never seen a 1 year QB gifted a team that talented. 

It would be hard for Mahomes to mess that up. He has talent on every level of the offense and has a solid defense and special teams. 

We'll know come early January. lol

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, Thai Jet said:

We'll know come early January. lol

It wont matter to me either way. I'll be busy watching Jets and Browns games.

[Larz]

Phew, I was worried my judging was a bit much 

[Kleckineau]

I will reserve my judgementality until the appropriate time frame.

[Jetster]

12 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Precisely, though what gives Mahomes a chance is that I've never seen a 1 year QB gifted a team that talented. 

It would be hard for Mahomes to mess that up. He has talent on every level of the offense and has a solid defense and special teams. 

Solid defense? Chiefs? Maybe 3 years ago. McCown & the Jets dropped a sh*t ton of points on that defense.

[Jetster]

Some of the comments here are why Jet fans are considered a bunch of whining babies. Before the season started a huge portion of the Jets wanted the Jets to TANK the season.

Then, when those same fans saw us winning more games than expected complained all year long that now we were screwed & sitting at 6 would have to take the 4th best QB in the draft.

So Macc moves up to 3 without giving up a 2019 1st round pick, so fans complain that now we just end up with the 3rd best QB in the draft. 

The draft comes & the one guy that 24 out of 32 GMs rated as the best QB in the draft (a 20 year old/3 years younger than Mayfield & Rosen), a guy the the Stanford coach mentioned in the same breath as Andrew Luck, the guy that BEFORE the 2017 season earned the SUCK FOR SAM moniker falls into our lap & we get, "well, we still gave up 3 second rounders".

The Jets could win the Super Bowl by one point & there are fans here that would say, "we just eked it out".

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

Solid defense? Chiefs? Maybe 3 years ago. McCown & the Jets dropped a sh*t ton of points on that defense.

You're seriously making an overall conclusion based on a Jets game? 

This is the same Chiefs defense that on numerous occasions put that Patriots offense in check. 

Overall, its a solid defense. And besides that fact, Mahomes has a ton of talent around him. 

[Jetster]

24 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

You're seriously making an overall conclusion based on a Jets game? 

This is the same Chiefs defense that on numerous occasions put that Patriots offense in check. 

Overall, its a solid defense. And besides that fact, Mahomes has a ton of talent around him. 

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Kansas City

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247.0

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KC defense was ranked 28 out of 32 teams in 2017 but yea, solid.

[CanadaSteve]

18 hours ago, New York Mick said:

Darnold hasn’t even taken a snap yet so no one has a clue if he’s the GOAT, a JAG or a bust so until we know that there isn’t sh*t to judge. 

It's refreshing though to hear people thinking he MIGHT be a GOAT....

Normally around this site, people have labeled someone a bust before they are drafted.

[The Crusher]

19 hours ago, New York Mick said:

Darnold hasn’t even taken a snap yet so no one has a clue if he’s the GOAT, a JAG or a bust so until we know that there isn’t sh*t to judge. 

Darnold is the single highest rated prospect this horrid franchise  has drafted at QB since Namath . I think failing with him is a much greater mark against the front office than failing with the dolts we have had at QB. 

[Jetster]

2 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

It's refreshing though to hear people thinking he MIGHT be a GOAT....

Normally around this site, people have labeled someone a bust before they are drafted.

It blows my mind that Sam has 3 years before he's even the age Mayfield & Rosen were when they were drafted on April 26th. With the right coaching his upside is through the roof! I know Jet fans want him to sit, but my god, if he shows he belongs and outplays McCown in camp, why not get his feet wet right away?

It didn't hurt Aikman, Rivers, Manning, sure they struggled and their teams sucked but let's get this guy rolling if he proves to be the best QB on the roster. He moves around way better than McCown so let's get some film on him, and correct him as we go week to week. Watson played behind a way worse line than the Jets are putting out there next year. Hell, he didn't even have his starting LT. This guy doesn't seem weak minded at all, in fact his determination and calmness under pressure are his biggest assets. 

[New York Mick]

16 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Darnold is the single highest rated prospect this horrid franchise  has drafted at QB since Namath . I think failing with him is a much greater mark against the front office than failing with the dolts we have had at QB. 

He’s definitely the best QB prospect since Joe and the FO already gets a strike for drafting 3 DL instead of getting him protection or weapons but until he takes the field no one has a clue how he’ll be. 

[New York Mick]

29 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

It's refreshing though to hear people thinking he MIGHT be a GOAT....

Normally around this site, people have labeled someone a bust before they are drafted.

There’s a percent that think every player we draft will be a star, a percentage that think the FO ****ed up and a small percent that wants to see how they play before they judge them unless is just an obviously bad pick which this team has had many. 

[The Crusher]

10 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

He’s definitely the best QB prospect since Joe and the FO already gets a strike for drafting 3 DL instead of getting him protection or weapons but until he takes the field no one has a clue how he’ll be. 

We have too many over drafted players on defense for them to ignore the defensive line. These guys draft to save their jobs dude. Zero vision zero plan. If they don’t bump Dick first into a solid prospect they are playing pin the tail on the draft pick blind folded 

Nobody knows how any player will be until they take the field. Personally I don’t  think this coaching staff has any intention  of playing Sam any sooner than they have to. Regardless of what we hear.