Gang Green Girl Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 What is in a Name? http://www.jetnation.com/?p=355 Nicely done, Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Good read Tyson. I agree with the premise, I hope the organization keeps their eyes open. But I disagree with some of it. Mangini is more than a "name". He is a guy who has been in a winning system for a long time. He has been coaching in big games for awhile now. Hell he had Troy Brown in some pretty big spots when he was the Secondary Coach. He has studied at the side of the best Coach in the game today. Dinger doesn't have the "name" I agree with that. But I don't think it is random. He has a tendency to get his QBs hurt. His offenses have won no Super Bowls. In this case I feel strongly that Mangini is the right choice. He is young but he is the swing for the fences candidate. Everyone else has been fired once. Everyone else has failed once. Mangini isn't perfect. But he is the only "name" that hasn't messed up somewhere else yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Just because he has not messed up does not warrant offering millions to him. Just to clarify I am not opposed to him but this hype machine around him is getting to be a little much. I would be curious to know his actual responsibilities within the defense this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 excellent points ..as we know the patsie* defense took alot of heat early on for its performance. Some of it may have been due to injuries (but as Tx says injuries are NEVER an excuse), and we have seen the re-emergence recently. But how much of that start falls on Mangini's shoulders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Just because he has not messed up does not warrant offering millions to him. Just to clarify I am not opposed to him but this hype machine around him is getting to be a little much. I would be curious to know his actual responsibilities within the defense this year. His body of work is good. He was the secondary coach and his team won the Superbowl with 2 healthy corners on the roster. Bill has his hands full with the offense this year so I feel comfortable saying that Mangini has earned his stripes holding the defense together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 excellent points ..as we know the patsie* defense took alot of heat early on for its performance. Some of it may have been due to injuries (but as Tx says injuries are NEVER an excuse), and we have seen the re-emergence recently. But how much of that start falls on Mangini's shoulders? 13, It is not how you start that matters. The finish is much more important. His track record is pretty good in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 BB is known for his defensive tactics. I have a hard time believing that Mangini gets full reign in year one. I am sure BB's paws are all over the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 BB is known for his defensive tactics. I have a hard time believing that Mangini gets full reign in year one. I am sure BB's paws are all over the defense. agreed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Good article in NY Times today about Mangini-definitely a hard working relentless type in the mold of Bellicheck- interesting thing I did not know he recommended Ben Graham to Jets back in 1997 but Graham wanted to continue in Australia. Also his sister is married to Cleveland's Indians GM Mark Shapiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 BB is known for his defensive tactics. I have a hard time believing that Mangini gets full reign in year one. I am sure BB's paws are all over the defense. Make no mistake about it. It is Bill's defense. I am just saying that we shouldn't diminish what Mangini has accomplished this year. That Pats have no offensive coordinator right? Bill can't do it all. Despite what the Pats fans may say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Josh McDaniels is the "unofficial" OC for the Pats. Mangini makes the defensive calls and games plans - although, yes, BB has his paws in it....just not as much as you think. I reiterate, Mangini would be a great hire - just make sure there is a seasoned OC onboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Josh McDaniels is the "unofficial" OC for the Pats. Mangini makes the defensive calls and games plans - although, yes, BB has his paws in it....just not as much as you think. I reiterate, Mangini would be a great hire - just make sure there is a seasoned OC onboard. Thank you Garb. Hire Mangini. Keep Dinger and all the offensive coaches. Let Mangini decide the fate of everyone on defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 The actions of OTHERS tell you about this man-Crennel wanted him badly for his staff, Saban wanted him badly for his staff, Belichick fought to keep hi. These are sound football minds folks. Obviously, none of us would know Mangini, or any of the other unknowns if we interviewed them, and it would be near impossible to knopw their leadership styles and philosophies. They have no track record as Head men. That is why the periphery appearances are so valuable. Mangini seems to have some very good periphery appearances. Who knows? And if you tell me you do, on the coordinators, I will challenge that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Heard Ty Law saying that hiring Mangini would be a no-brainer (I suspect that Ty has signing/roster bonus dollar signs dancing in his head). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Bottom line, this guy played a specific role in holding the most prolific offense in NFL history to 17 points in a super bowl. There is nothing superficial, phoney, or doctored about his credentials. He's a golden boy and hot name for a reason. It's kind of like the same way Jon Gruden emerged overnight. This isn't hype. I think the resume speaks for itself: Eric Mangini, a coaching veteran of 13 seasons, is entering his 11th season in the NFL and has been a part of four division titles, three conference titles and three Super Bowl championships in his career. He served as New England's defensive backs coach for five seasons before being named defensive coordinator on Feb. 12, 2005. In his first five seasons with the Patriots, he tutored a secondary that earned five Pro Bowl selections and evolved into one of the NFL's most successful defensive backfields. The performance of the Patriots secondary and its ability to succeed despite key injuries earned high acclaim in 2004. Due to injuries, Mangini had to utilize nine different starters and converted a linebacker and a wide receiver into defensive backs as the Patriots won their third Super Bowl in four seasons. Following season-ending injuries to each of the opening-day starting cornerbacks, second-year pro Asante Samuel and undrafted rookie Randall Gay stepped in and started 23 games between them, including all three playoff contests. At safety, Rodney Harrison provided strong veteran leadership to the young unit, while Eugene Wilson's versatility allowed him to contribute at safety and cornerback. Mangini's tutelage helped wide receiver Troy Brown, in his 12th season in New England, learn to play cornerback when the secondary was depleted by injuries. Brown responded by tying for second on the team with three interceptions and recorded 17 tackles to go along with his 17 receptions on offense. Linebacker Don Davis was also used in the secondary, starting at safety for the final two games of the regular season. Despite the personnel changes in the secondary, the unit was a crucial part of the Patriots success, especially in the playoffs. During the regular season, seven different members of the secondary recorded at least one interception, while defensive backs accounted for half of the team's 36 takeaways. In the postseason, defensive backs recorded six interceptions in three games, with Harrison accounting for four picks, including one returned for a touchdown. The secondary was an integral part of a dominating Patriots defense that led the NFL in 2003 by allowing a franchise-record 14.9 points per game as the Patriots ended the season with 15 consecutive wins and claimed the Super Bowl XXXVIII title. New England's pass defense led the NFL in four key categories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Mangini's smack 'em in the mouth, play aggressive, smoke and mirrors zone coverages have paid HUGE dividends for the Pats defensive backfield......but people forget something: The Pats front seven is among the best in the league. Seymour is arguably the best lineman in the league and is consistently double and triple teamed - allowing the linebackers to cause havoc. Anyway, with all that going on in the trenches - it sure as heck makes the DB's job easier, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 The Herm saga was going on for a while..how come I do not remember seeing his name anywhere else until someone in the media brought it up. If this guy is so highly touted by everyone I would think his name would have been yelled everywhere day one. Again, I am not arguing his resume or the possibility of hiring him. But to me it is not Mangini or bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 But to me it is not Mangini or bust. Good point I agree. It is bust regardless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I hope you Jets fans land a top notch HC. You guys deserve a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Mangini's smack 'em in the mouth, play aggressive, smoke and mirrors zone coverages have paid HUGE dividends for the Pats defensive backfield......but people forget something: The Pats front seven is among the best in the league. Seymour is arguably the best lineman in the league and is consistently double and triple teamed - allowing the linebackers to cause havoc. Anyway, with all that going on in the trenches - it sure as heck makes the DB's job easier, right? Garb, if Mangini had all the Jets D-backs 2001-2005, would the Patriots have still won 3 super bowls? I think so. The man can coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Okay, Pats fan being real here: that 2001 SB game-plan was all Belichick and Mangini carried it out. It was a HUGE upset .... take away Faulk and man-handle the Rams receivers. 2003 SB - lost both safeties and in the third quarter. Tom Brady won that SB. 2004 SB - Mangini made the SpaghettiOs look like homemade lasgana - I mean Randall Gay was effective! Wow! Not so effective against T.O. in the SB though. Still, his zone coverages are masterful. Mangini needs two qualities from his d-backs: A very high Football IQ and sheer toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Okay, Pats fan being real here: that 2001 SB game-plan was all Belichick and Mangini carried it out. It was a HUGE upset .... take away Faulk and man-handle the Rams receivers. 2003 SB - lost both safeties and in the third quarter. Tom Brady won that SB. 2004 SB - Mangini made the SpaghettiOs look like homemade lasgana - I mean Randall Gay was effective! Wow! Not so effective against T.O. in the SB though. Still, his zone coverages are masterful. Mangini needs two qualities from his d-backs: A very high Football IQ and sheer toughness. The guy takes lemon's and makes lemonade. That's coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 There are two reason why I do not want Mangini to accept the JETS HC postion: 1) Purely selfish. I want this mastermind all to myself. He and BB work very well together. Similar personalities. You will get no Herm-like sermons and sound bites from Eric. 2) Concern. Jets fans turn on a dime. One mistake....two losses in a row...and you all will be calling for his head. A plethora of horrible nicknames will be established. The man will be crucified on Jets messageboards, chat rooms and news paperoutlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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