I have to ask this question...

[Freemanm]

...and I know what you're all going to say, but what mistakes did the Jets make with another USC QB drafted in rd 1, Mark Sanchez?

Like Darnold, Sanchez had limited time as a starter. His draft analysis is kind of similar to Darnold's. 

did the Jets then-defensive-minded coach start him too early? What mistakes, if any, did we learn and can we avoid this time around?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858

[Larz]

Different owner GM and coach 

 

[Grandy]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

Different owner GM and coach 

 

And player

[Lupz27]

Darnold >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanchez 

USC is the only thing close to comparison to the 2 as prospects.

[UnknownJetFan]

Maybe the biggest difference isn't when a QB like this starts, but as Parcells said about Darnold is he is not a star, he is a football player. Sanchez just wanted to be a star and cared more about that than being a football player. He also only started for 1 year and Darnold has started for 2 in college. 

[T0mShane]

Short answer: in 2009, Sanchez was surrounded by a bunch of good dudes that Mangini had (mostly) left behind: Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brad Smith and Thomas Jones. Then Rex turned the roster into his own personal reform school and surrounded Sanchez with pieces of garbage Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Derrick Mason. Mason, in particular, was so vicious towards Sanchez that the Jets had to dump him before the season started. Young players need structure and Rex turned the franchise into a playground. 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

Sanchez played 16 games at USC. He was a baby. And then the Jets threw him into the fire. He wasn't nearly ready to leave college and he wasn't ready to play QB on an NFL team. His career was destroyed by every manner of impulsivity and short-sightedness. Darnold compares to Sanchez in one regard. He is young and needs an opportunity to develop without a sense of desperation by the team. Let's see if the Jets can be disciplined this time and do it right.

[Charlie Brown]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Short answer: in 2009, Sanchez was surrounded by a bunch of good dudes that Mangini had (mostly) left behind: Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brad Smith and Thomas Jones. Then Rex turned the roster into his own personal reform school and surrounded Sanchez with pieces of garbage Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Derrick Mason. Mason, in particular, was so vicious towards Sanchez that the Jets had to dump him before the season started. Young players need structure and Rex turned the franchise into a playground. 

Thank you!!

Also people forget Sanchez' own college HC Pete Carroll specifically said that Sanchez WAS NOT ready to start in the NFL and the Jets as always said that they were smarter than EVERYONE in the NFL and started him anyway!!

Utter Madness.....

[Bruce Harper]

7 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Sanchez played 16 games at USC. He was a baby. And then the Jets threw him into the fire. He wasn't nearly ready to leave college and he wasn't ready to play QB on an NFL team. His career was destroyed by every manner of impulsivity and short-sightedness. Darnold compares to Sanchez in one regard. He is young and needs an opportunity to develop without a sense of desperation by the team. Let's see if the Jets can be disciplined this time and do it right.

For what it's worth, Darnold's college coach is all over the place saying he is "pro ready."  In contrast, Sanchez's college coach (Pete Carroll) was on the record again and again saying that Sanchez wasn't ready and that he should have stayed in school.

[Embrace the Suck]

23 minutes ago, Freemanm said:

...and I know what you're all going to say, but what mistakes did the Jets make with another USC QB drafted in rd 1, Mark Sanchez?

Like Darnold, Sanchez had limited time as a starter. His draft analysis is kind of similar to Darnold's.

Sanchez wasn't very talented to begin with. Watch his highlight film he threw to wide open guys from a clean pocket quite often. Then watch Darnold's. Tough throws, on the move, under duress. It's like night and day.  Sanchez also despite being older had less starts at USC so he was even less experienced.

As for Jets mistakes they let the talent around Sanchez erode and the coaching staff was sh*t from top to bottom. Mangini built a team and culture. Rex made some changes and rode it into the ground.

[Bruce Harper]

4 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Thank you!!

Also people forget Sanchez' own college HC Pete Carroll specifically said that Sanchez WAS NOT ready to start in the NFL and the Jets as always said that they were smarter than EVERYONE in the NFL and started him anyway!!

Utter Madness.....

Oops.  I wrote my post before I saw yours.  Great minds think alike.

[rangerous]

27 minutes ago, Freemanm said:

...and I know what you're all going to say, but what mistakes did the Jets make with another USC QB drafted in rd 1, Mark Sanchez?

Like Darnold, Sanchez had limited time as a starter. His draft analysis is kind of similar to Darnold's. 

did the Jets then-defensive-minded coach start him too early? What mistakes, if any, did we learn and can we avoid this time around?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858

rex and schitty.  

[Charlie Brown]

4 minutes ago, rangerous said:

rex and schitty.  

Its called NO institutional plan for a QBs development!!!

[TommyT]

Please ban Fremanm for wasting our time.

[Patriot Killa]

36 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Short answer: in 2009, Sanchez was surrounded by a bunch of good dudes that Mangini had (mostly) left behind: Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brad Smith and Thomas Jones. Then Rex turned the roster into his own personal reform school and surrounded Sanchez with pieces of garbage Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Derrick Mason. Mason, in particular, was so vicious towards Sanchez that the Jets had to dump him before the season started. Young players need structure and Rex turned the franchise into a playground. 

Was the Derrick Mason situation that deep? I had no idea. Looking for an article now but the players weren’t really letting to much information go about it, just that they guess it’s an organizational move for whatever reason and he was a good teammate.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Here are five lessons learned from the couch;

1. Provide competition and make him earn the job = McCown and Bridgewater, Check
2. Bench him when needed, build his confidence, don't just watch him fail, see above, Check 
3. Build talent around him - Sanchez had a great O-line and running game - TBD (2018 draft?)
4. Provide good coaching and consistency on offense - Mark had Shotty, Bates should be better, Check?
5. Desire to be a QB more than a star - Sam seems grounded and ready to go to work, Mark was not, Check

At the end of the day Mark failed the Jets as much as the Jets/Rex failed him 

[jetstream23]

The worst thing that happened to Sanchez was he was surrounded by almost TOO MUCH talent his first couple years.  The Jets were "all in" on trying to win a Super Bowl after his rookie year.  Killer running game, great OLine, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, LaDainian Tomlinson, etc.  Once 2011 hit and we started developing issues at RT, no more skill position guys (Jeremy Kerley and Jeff Cumberland led the team in receptions) it all fell apart and Sanchez was revealed to be a subpar QB who couldn't raise the level of play around him.

It also didn't help that the Jets were in the middle of their decade-long run of drafting only defense early in the Draft plus paying Revis eleventy-billion dollars a year.

[jetrider]

The beginning of the end. It was all downhill from here:

 

[T0mShane]

28 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Was the Derrick Mason situation that deep? I had no idea. Looking for an article now but the players weren’t really letting to much information go about it, just that they guess it’s an organizational move for whatever reason and he was a good teammate.

Collision Low Crossers.

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

Different owner GM and coach 

 

Diffferent USC coaches too. The only similarity between Sanchez and Darnold is they went to the same college. That’s it’s. 

[jetrider]

T-Rich's run blocking for Jones created the illusion that the OL was superb when the pass protection was garbage all along.

Then came Sparano, Tebow, and Mornhinweg ...

[Untouchable]

Sanchez was a beta who wore girly headbands and posed for air brushed GQ ads.

Darnold wrestles crocodiles and heaves footballs over goddamn mountain tops.

The comparison is foolish

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, Freemanm said:

...and I know what you're all going to say, but what mistakes did the Jets make with another USC QB drafted in rd 1, Mark Sanchez?

Like Darnold, Sanchez had limited time as a starter. His draft analysis is kind of similar to Darnold's. 

did the Jets then-defensive-minded coach start him too early? What mistakes, if any, did we learn and can we avoid this time around?

Mistakes?

We should be so lucky to start Darnold from Day 1, see him go 9-7, then 11-5, have a run of 16-4 along the way, then go 4-2 in the playoffs, and then be the best Jet on the field in back-to-back AFC Championship Games all before the age of 23.

The mistake wasn't starting him too early; the mistake was ignoring the offense after Sanchez had established himself as a franchise quarterback because his idiot head coach only cared about building the defense and ultimately needed a scapegoat in order to send the blame off his back and get him his next NFL job.

SAR I

[Larz]

2 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Diffferent USC coaches too. The only similarity between Sanchez and Darnold is they went to the same college. That’s it’s. 

Yup. Sanchez and Darnold are basically opposite personalities 

[greenwave81]

1 hour ago, Freemanm said:

...and I know what you're all going to say, but what mistakes did the Jets make with another USC QB drafted in rd 1, Mark Sanchez?

Like Darnold, Sanchez had limited time as a starter. His draft analysis is kind of similar to Darnold's. 

did the Jets then-defensive-minded coach start him too early? What mistakes, if any, did we learn and can we avoid this time around?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858

Stop over analyzing what happened with Sanchez.  First, despite his shortcomings, he went to 2 AFCG Championship games.

Sanchez NEVER took the next step, for whatever reason...but each individual is their own entity.

Sanchez does not equal Darnold..Darnold will succeed or fail on his own.

[Larz]

Just now, SAR I said:

Mistakes?

We should be so lucky to start Darnold from Day 1, see him go 9-7, then 11-5, have a run of 16-4 along the way, then go 4-2 in the playoffs, and then be the best Jet on the field in back-to-back AFC Championship Games all before the age of 23.

The mistake wasn't starting him too early; the mistake was ignoring the offense after Sanchez had established himself as a franchise quarterback because his idiot head coach only cared about building the defense and ultimately needed a scapegoat in order to send the blame off his back and get him his next NFL job.

SAR I

Good QBs make the players around them better. 

Sanchez career rating is 73.9. He was an immature brat who took his job so lightly he had to be given a red light green light system. 

He was never the reason the team won, he had a line, a running game and a defense 

He sulked and pouted 

He is pretty much the opposite of a franchise QB 

 

[Embrace the Suck]

9 minutes ago, Larz said:

Sanchez career rating is 73.9. He was an immature brat who took his job so lightly he had to be given a red light green light system.

Wow! I had totally forgot about the red light green light system they implemented for him. Laughing my ******* ass off!

[New York Mick]

Sanchez’s playbook

 

[flgreen]

23 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Mistakes?

We should be so lucky to start Darnold from Day 1, see him go 9-7, then 11-5, have a run of 16-4 along the way, then go 4-2 in the playoffs, and then be the best Jet on the field in back-to-back AFC Championship Games all before the age of 23.

The mistake wasn't starting him too early; the mistake was ignoring the offense after Sanchez had established himself as a franchise quarterback because his idiot head coach only cared about building the defense and ultimately needed a scapegoat in order to send the blame off his back and get him his next NFL job.

SAR I

This would be a fair argument if Sanchez had any real success after he left the Jets.  He didn't and he had a few chances.  Sanchez is a Meh QB

[BroadwayRay]

Sanchez lacked the field vision, instincts, accuracy and ability to throw with anticipation that Darnold has clearly demonstrated. 

[BROOKLYN JET]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Short answer: in 2009, Sanchez was surrounded by a bunch of good dudes that Mangini had (mostly) left behind: Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brad Smith and Thomas Jones. Then Rex turned the roster into his own personal reform school and surrounded Sanchez with pieces of garbage Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Derrick Mason. Mason, in particular, was so vicious towards Sanchez that the Jets had to dump him before the season started. Young players need structure and Rex turned the franchise into a playground. 

AKA The Rex effect

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, Freemanm said:

...and I know what you're all going to say, but what mistakes did the Jets make with another USC QB drafted in rd 1, Mark Sanchez?

Like Darnold, Sanchez had limited time as a starter. His draft analysis is kind of similar to Darnold's. 

did the Jets then-defensive-minded coach start him too early? What mistakes, if any, did we learn and can we avoid this time around?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mark-sanchez?id=79858

Sanchez sucked balls. Head case. Darnold is not 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Short answer: in 2009, Sanchez was surrounded by a bunch of good dudes that Mangini had (mostly) left behind: Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brad Smith and Thomas Jones. Then Rex turned the roster into his own personal reform school and surrounded Sanchez with pieces of garbage Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Derrick Mason. Mason, in particular, was so vicious towards Sanchez that the Jets had to dump him before the season started. Young players need structure and Rex turned the franchise into a playground. 

Correct. Sanchez walked into a rookie qb wet dream. A team dominated by a top 3 D. A All Star Oline they carried the O with dominate rushing game. They even drew crayon bracelets for markie. His second yr he was Carried again. When he started to falter is when he didn’t have a #1 d, Oline, running game. Why he sucks now. Give mark the best in every area other than qb and he will be decent. Like any qb in nfl ha

[#27TheDominator]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Short answer: in 2009, Sanchez was surrounded by a bunch of good dudes that Mangini had (mostly) left behind: Jerricho Cotchery, Tony Richardson, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Brad Smith and Thomas Jones. Then Rex turned the roster into his own personal reform school and surrounded Sanchez with pieces of garbage Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Derrick Mason. Mason, in particular, was so vicious towards Sanchez that the Jets had to dump him before the season started. Young players need structure and Rex turned the franchise into a playground. 

The Jets traded Mason for a conditional 7th week 5 after he, Burris and Holmes complained about Schottenehimer's offense.  He has more receptions and yards as a Jet than Ardarius Stewart and Chad Hansen.

[jgb]

Sanchez had a couple years of an above average oline before criminal neglect eroded it. Darnold will have to begin his career behind a line already criminally neglected. He won’t be spoiled by early career success like Sanchez was... if he survives.