Report: Cleveland Was the Only Team Drafting in the Top 5 with Baker Mayfield Ahead of Sam Darnold

[Villain The Foe]

10 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

We know you like Mayfield, but PFF is a statistical analysis.  They aren't necessarily going to project to the NFL.  Nobody is disputing that the kid was a great college QB.  These reports are from press that should at least have an inkling who these teams wanted.  The Jets are the only one with any reason to lie.  The Giants staff actually would have reason to lie and say Darnold wasn't their top guy

Yet we reference their content daily no matter the position. All im saying is that I doubt Cleveland was the only team that had a QB who was the most efficient QB 3 years running as their top guy. 

It not that hard to consider. The Giants just drafted a running back over the consensus #1 QB in the draft and Eli is almost 40. Not many folks would have believed that yet it happened. It's not to tall an order. The Pats also publicly spoke about Mayfield. 

 

[Dcat]

5 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Yet we reference their content daily no matter the position. All im saying is that I doubt Cleveland was the only team that had a QB who was the most efficient QB 3 years running as their top guy. 

It not that hard to consider. The Giants just drafted a running back over the consensus #1 QB in the draft and Eli is almost 40. Not many folks would have believed that yet it happened. It's not to tall an order. The Pats also publicly spoke about Mayfield. 

 

Really?  What did the Pats say?  When did they say it?  Mayfield's agent fabricated the Pats spoke to the Giants about trading up for Mayfield.  Giants said several teams called for pick #2 before the draft but the Pats were not one of them. 

[Villain The Foe]

11 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Really?  What did the Pats say?  When did they say it?  Mayfield's agent fabricated the Pats spoke to the Giants about trading up for Mayfield.  Giants said several teams called for pick #2 before the draft but the Pats were not one of them. 

I wasnt talking about the alleged trade up, but more about Mayfield being linked to the Pats as a guy they simply liked back when they traded Brandin Cooks, which was weeks before the draft even happened. 

I wasnt referring two that story, though as a side note, I dont see the reason why Bakers Agent would have to fabricate a story after his client just went 1st overall...yet he very well could have. None of that matters now. 

 

[jetsons]

4 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Did you not see how they reacted to Sam being available at #3 or how they thought he wasn’t even going to make it to them prior to the draft, so they didn’t even bother to bring him in for a work out until a last minute notice?

Sam headlined their QB chart and it was very easy to tell. 

It probably went...

Darnold

Mayfield

Rosen

Allen

Jackson

 

Our board is more obvious because of the context clues leading up to the pick and then it all kind of made sense after the pick was made.

NO... I didn't see it... can you show me?

[jetsons]

3 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

What is still hard to believe, at least to me, is that the Browns had Mayfield #1 and took him 1st overall.

If you rate them on their play, Mayfield is Clearly the #1 player.

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, jetsons said:

If you rate them on their play, Mayfield is Clearly the #1 player.

This.

[jetsons]

2 hours ago, sourceworx said:

Watch the video where Bowles and Christopher Johnson tell Darnold that he's their pick at #3. They're both giddy. 

That can be said about Every Owner & HC when on the phone with their 1st rd pick.

[Dcat]

12 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

I wasnt talking about the alleged trade up, but more about Mayfield being linked to the Pats as a guy they simply liked back when they traded Brandin Cooks, which was weeks before the draft even happened. 

I wasnt referring two that story, though as a side note, I dont see the reason why Bakers Agent would have to fabricate a story after his client just went 1st overall...yet he very well could have. None of that matters now. 

 

The Giants say he's full of sht.  There are a lot of Cleveland fans that are very upset at the Mayfield pick.  Figure the agent is trying to apply some damage control.  Making up a story that the "Patriots" were interested is a pathetic way to pump up the perceived value here.  Cleveland is taking a big gamble on Mayfield.  Better them than us.  

[Villain The Foe]

Just now, Dcat said:

The Giants say he's full of sht.  There are a lot of Cleveland fans that are very upset at the Mayfield pick.  Figure the agent is trying to apply some damage control.  Making up a story that the "Patriots" were interested is a pathetic way to pump up the perceived value here.  Cleveland is taking a big gamble on Mayfield.  Better them than us.  

The agent could be full of sh*t, so could the Giants. BUT, since that's not what I was referring two who cares right? 

 

As for Cleveland fans being pissed? They were all joyous when they picked Manziel....so maybe this is a step in the right direction. 

I remember when Knicks fans/Knicks media were all pissy over the Kristaps Porzingis pick, until they werent. 

And the Jets are taking a risk with Sam. He's a QB who regressed in his sophomore year, was a turnover machines and he's also a USC QB which I personally believe is a "thing". 

Cleveland took a gamble on Mayfield, but it's no bigger than the Jets taking a gamble on Sam. 

[j4jets]

3 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

The only reason why jets felt darnold could be there at 3 was because browns were thinking mayfield. So even if mayfield was plan A, if browns took him Mac had to get ready for plan B. 

The Mayfield rumors only started coming out in the last week. Browns were pretty hush-hush. 

[Villain The Foe]

4 minutes ago, j4jets said:

The Mayfield rumors only started coming out in the last week. Browns were pretty hush-hush. 

Correct. It was literally within the 48 hours leading up to the draft when Mayfield began to circulate as possibly being 1st overall. Before that the only place stating that the Browns could surprise the world and draft Mayfield was PFF. They said that well before the draft happened. 

[Dcat]

5 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

This.

LOL.  If we had to pick Mayfield, I'd root for him.  But we'll be forever thankful that it was Cleveland who took the gargantuan risk of selecting Mayfield while gifting Darnold to us.  We'll see if Dorsey's reliance on analytics here pans out.  Frankly, it's riverboat gambling and you have to look at the conference and quality of competetion to make a fair comparison. looking at the stats in a vacuum without watching Mayfield throw it to WRs with no defender anywhere to be found is lame.  Could it be just a little bit possible that Mayfield's inflated analytics are partly the result of the inferior competetion he faced?   Anyway, there is a large segment of the Cleveland fan based that is really really pissed off.  Probably why Mayfield's agent made up the Pats story. 

[Fantasy Island]

5 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

He might be pinned to the side of a squad car instead.

Cleveland gave the Jets a huge gift.  We not only get the best QB prospect in the Draft, but we get him without the pressure of being the #1 overall pick and without the pressure of even being the first QB taken in the Draft.  Guys like Darnold and Rosen ended up in the best situations in my opinion.  Rosen goes to a .500 team and plays with RB David Johnson and WR Larry Fitzgerald.

Giants didn't have him as their number one, or they would have picked him.

[jetstream23]

Just now, Fantasy Island said:

Giants didn't have him as their number one, or they would have picked him.

#1 QB, not #1 overall.

[Fantasy Island]

Just now, jetstream23 said:

#1 QB, not #1 overall.

My bad.

[Villain The Foe]

3 hours ago, Dcat said:

LOL.  If we had to pick Mayfield, I'd root for him.  But we'll be forever thankful that it was Cleveland who took the gargantuan risk of selecting Mayfield while gifting Darnold to us.  We'll see if Dorsey's reliance on analytics here pans out.  Frankly, it's riverboat gambling and you have to look at the conference and quality of competetion to make a fair comparison. looking at the stats in a vacuum without watching Mayfield throw it to WRs with no defender anywhere to be found is lame.  Could it be just a little bit possible that Mayfield's inflated analytics are partly the result of the inferior competetion he faced?   Anyway, there is a large segment of the Cleveland fan based that is really really pissed off.  Probably why Mayfield's agent made up the Pats story. 

We're fans of the NY Jets, meaning that given our luck, this would be the year the Browns were correct in their assessment. 

And all this is a gamble, though I will say that the riverboat gambling part is fugazi. Sure he played in the big 12, but he's played in college for 4 seasons and has played alot of SEC teams and his stats are pretty much similar. 

If you want a true vacuum then again, review the analysis from PFF and they prove that he wasnt simply throwing to defenders who were wide open, because if he was then he wouldnt be the #1 rated college QB when throwing an accurate ball to WR's who are considered "covered". 

Folks can call it inflated all they like, I can say he's a really good QB all I like. However, we're going to find out real soon. 

And if the latter is correct, we'll see how much of a gift Cleveland gave us. 

[jetstream23]

3 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

My bad.

No problemo.  I actually think the Giants had an excellent draft.  Even though I wouldn't have passed on Darnold at #2 if I was them I see what they're trying to do and they really went "all in" for an offensive rebuild this year.  IF you believe Eli can get you two more years then rebuilding the OLine and surrounding him with Saquon Barkley, OBJ and Evan Engram is how you try to maximize his final seasons.

You could easily argue that the two New York teams won Round 1 by getting the 2 best players in the Draft with neither team having the first pick.

[Patriot Killa]

2 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Jerseys cost so damn much..or maybe I am just cheap. I own a home Darrelle Revis jersey and that’s it. 90 bucks!? I’m too broke loooool. Especially to get another teams QB jersey. Those hats look like a decent deal though.

[Aussie Jet]

59 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Jerseys cost so damn much..or maybe I am just cheap. I own a home Darrelle Revis jersey and that’s it. 90 bucks!? I’m too broke loooool. Especially to get another teams QB jersey. Those hats look like a decent deal though.

90 euros converts to 106 US dollars right now.

90 euros converts to 143 Australian dollars. I always get hosed on buying gear. Oh for the days when the Australian dollar was at or above parity with the US dollars. Went nuts buying things off US Amazon and getting them shipped to Australia.

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said:

Jerseys cost so damn much..or maybe I am just cheap. I own a home Darrelle Revis jersey and that’s it. 90 bucks!? I’m too broke loooool. Especially to get another teams QB jersey. Those hats look like a decent deal though.

Yeah, Jerseys can be expensive. I've never purchased an authentic Jersey, they're like $300 and im not paying that. I'd rather buy an authentic helmet for that price. I get replica jerseys which are good enough. 

I havent purchased a Jets Jersey in like 5 years though. When the team typically doesnt do well i dont buy. I purchased those Adams Jerseys because I do like they player and my NY Titans Bart Scott Jersey has run its course. 

I used to customize my Jersey's but quickly realized that I had to be careful. During Rex Ryan's 3rd year as HC I got a custom Titans Jersey (I've always loved those jerseys). That said Rex Ryan on the back with my high school number. 4 years later he wasnt the coach and you can wear Jerseys of old players, not with old coaches lol. 

[rangerous]

9 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Did you not see how they reacted to Sam being available at #3 or how they thought he wasn’t even going to make it to them prior to the draft, so they didn’t even bother to bring him in for a work out until a last minute notice?

Sam headlined their QB chart and it was very easy to tell. 

It probably went...

Darnold

Mayfield

Rosen

Allen

Jackson

 

Our board is more obvious because of the context clues leading up to the pick and then it all kind of made sense after the pick was made.

agree with this ranking.  i'd be willing to bet the jets didn't think darnold would be available at 3.  heck they didn't even bring him in except as an afterthought.  their focus was all on mayfield rosen or allen.  some of this may have been posturing but the whole purpose of trading to 3 was landing one of those guys.  they lucked into the best of the bunch.  be happy.

[CTM]

5 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

The agent could be full of sh*t, so could the Giants. BUT, since that's not what I was referring two who cares right? 

 

As for Cleveland fans being pissed? They were all joyous when they picked Manziel....so maybe this is a step in the right direction. 

I remember when Knicks fans/Knicks media were all pissy over the Kristaps Porzingis pick, until they werent. 

And the Jets are taking a risk with Sam. He's a QB who regressed in his sophomore year, was a turnover machines and he's also a USC QB which I personally believe is a "thing". 

Cleveland took a gamble on Mayfield, but it's no bigger than the Jets taking a gamble on Sam. 

Yep, Amazing that collectively we seem to be convincing ourselves that both the Browns and the Giants passed on a Peyton Manning level prospect AND that turning the ball over about 2 times a game in college isn't a serious concern. (counting fumbles as a turnover regardless of who recovered) 

PFF and Qbase both loved Mayfield and were lukewarm on Darnold, I'm not ready to point and laugh at Cleveland just yet, even if only not to tempt karmic justice 

[HessStation]

8 hours ago, Be_a_Jet said:

I don’t get the hate on this pick. Baker is gunna be a Franchise quarterback or he’s not. Just the same as Darnold. 

Plus jets could have very easily landed Baker instead of Darnold and I’d probably have the same amount of confidence in him being the answer as I have in Darnold. 

Im cautiously optimistic either way. Anything more than that is asking for too much from a Jet fan. 

Nobody ******* knows. There was Elway and Luck...everyone else a crap shoot of best guesses.

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, CTM said:

Yep, Amazing that collectively we seem to be convincing ourselves that both the Browns and the Giants passed on a Peyton Manning level prospect AND that turning the ball over about 2 times a game in college isn't a serious concern. (counting fumbles as a turnover regardless of who recovered) 

PFF and Qbase both loved Mayfield and were lukewarm on Darnold, I'm not ready to point and laugh at Cleveland just yet, even if only not to tempt karmic justice 

Exactly. Folks should be excited for Darnold, and rightfully so given that many Jets fans have been on the on the Darnold train Since the 2017 Rose Bowl. 

Dismissing what Mayfield accomplished while at the same time over-emphasizing any of his faults, which most of the time has nothing to do with his in-game performance (height for example) is indeed amazing. It's amazing because I then watch people excuse Sam's turnovers that you mentioned in your comment. 

Im not saying that Darnold is bad, I simply dont know. I support the pick given the choices we had, and because of that situation its a good pick. However, all of this "Cleveland gifted us" in the sense like Cleveland dropped the ball is incorrect.  PFF and Qbase analytics, standard stats, winning percentage and overall performance showed that Baker Mayfield was clearly the best QB available. Him being a fan/media favorite is subjective and isnt based on what the facts were in terms of performance. 

Sam has incredible upside given his age, but that's all potential. Mayfield is 3 years older and has shown to be meeting that potential as he has absolutely owned NCAA football for 3 consecutive years in terms of efficiency...playing the position. When he played teams out of conference his performance didnt change much...so saying that it's a "Big 12" thing is a stretch. 

I think when it's said and done the Browns and Jets would have turned around their fortunes at the QB position. As long as "sucking for Sam" and (when that wasnt enough) "trading up for Sam" works, then that's all a Jets fan can ask for. 

 

[Obrien2Toon]

8 hours ago, jetsons said:

If you rate them on their play, Mayfield is Clearly the #1 player.

This is the time of year that you’re not allowed to say anything against anyone we drafted or for anything someone else drafted

our front office is the most genius ever

dont you remember all the d smith and l maudlin YouTube highlight videos around this time of year 

Don’t worry, it usually end 2-3 games into the season

[HessStation]

8 hours ago, jetsons said:

If you rate them on their play, Mayfield is Clearly the #1 player.

Which is why teams don't rank college QBs on their play. Otherwise Danny Wuerffel would have been a #1 pick.

[FTL Jet Fan]

None of this matters until one of these guys establishes themselves  as a competent FQB. 

[Kleckineau]

12 hours ago, HessStation said:

None of it matters now. It will be great to see which ones succeed, flop and who gets hurt. 

And which one says polarizing things to alienate the fan base and feeds red meat to the press.

[Bleedin Green]

10 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

How can it be so overrated if this particular roster hasn’t even hit the field yet? I understand that in a sense my answer right then probably could sort of be an answer to the overrated comment but at the time BG...Jarvis Landry/Gordon, a 2nd year Njoku, Nick Chubb and Carlos Hyde sounds extremely dangerous and I firmly believe they win some game this year. They are just damn well STACKED about every where except OT.

There is warranted reason to believe they will be good this year. If Baker can’t meld into a group of THAT many weapons...than the Browns can finally say that they didn’t F this one up development wise.

Baker will either sink or swim...with a life jacket on.

I don't doubt that they can win some games.  After all, their miserable 2017 was only the second time in league history that a team hasn't been able to do so in a 16-game season.  The whole problem with this is we have been hearing the same line about all of the potential greatness for years now, and yet they've literally never shown it on the field, having gotten worse and worse every year.  We were being sold that same line last season; I didn't believe it then, and I see no reason to believe it now.  I have no doubt they will show at least some improvement, but I mean they literally can't do worse, and there's a major gap between that and "contenders".

Hell, we kept hearing all about the groundbreaking genius of Sashi Brown, and then oddly enough, he gets sh*t-canned and no other team's are the least bit interested.  Meanwhile, they keep Jackson around who has shown an unmatched level of incompetence as a coach.  If the talent is really at a level that some try to claim, it makes his retention that much more inexplicable.

The bottom line is, while nothing is impossible in the NFL, absolutely none of the evidence supports this idea that the Browns being set for success is anything close to a foregone conclusion.  About the only thing that Browns have really succeeded at these past few years is marketing, because I've never seen such an awful team getting so heavily praised time and time again.

[Dinamite]

4 hours ago, rangerous said:

agree with this ranking.  i'd be willing to bet the jets didn't think darnold would be available at 3.  heck they didn't even bring him in except as an afterthought.  their focus was all on mayfield rosen or allen.  some of this may have been posturing but the whole purpose of trading to 3 was landing one of those guys.  they lucked into the best of the bunch.  be happy.

Wasn't there some report that the Darnold camp initially ddi not agree to a visit/workout because they didn't think the jets would be in the mix (ie, they thought Darnold would go 1 or 2).  It is not like Macc to not do due diligence.   After Darnold as number 1 became less certain, then the workout/visit was arranged.   Not sure it was all on the jets, is what I am trying to say.

[baamf]

We're all just speculating here, but I personally believe that Cleveland not letting their intentions of taking Mayfield 1st known before the draft was also a blessing for us.  I think many teams were surprised that Darnold was sitting there for the Giants at 2.  If that was known the week before there would have been a lot more trade offers coming into Gettleman.  JMHO...

[Philc1]

The Browns love getting Manziel'd that's why they drafted Mayfield first overall over Darnold

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, baamf said:

We're all just speculating here, but I personally believe that Cleveland not letting their intentions of taking Mayfield 1st known before the draft was also a blessing for us.  I think many teams were surprised that Darnold was sitting there for the Giants at 2.  If that was known the week before there would have been a lot more trade offers coming into Gettleman.  JMHO...

Dorsey's intent to draft Shorty first overall got leaked about 2-3 days before the draft.  Colin Cowherd, a bunch of other guys were reporting it.

 

Dorsey was having a good offseason getting Tyrod Taylor and Jarvis Landry and then he seemed to choke this entire draft.  

[Philc1]

3 hours ago, Dinamite said:

Wasn't there some report that the Darnold camp initially ddi not agree to a visit/workout because they didn't think the jets would be in the mix (ie, they thought Darnold would go 1 or 2).  It is not like Macc to not do due diligence.   After Darnold as number 1 became less certain, then the workout/visit was arranged.   Not sure it was all on the jets, is what I am trying to say.

I heard it was the Jets who didn't work out Darnold because they didn't believe he'd fall to 3.

[Hael]

I had Mayfield at 3 behind Darnold and Rosen.  Rosen dropped hard b/c of character issues, and I can understand not spending a high pick on a @#$hole (see Jay Cutler) but I don't understand how any sane front office takes Mayfield over Darnold.

Mayfield might be a very good qb in this league, hell he might be better than Darnold..  I love his accuracy, iq and spunk.   But just from a gambling perspective, I don't see how you pass on a high character top shelf talent like Darnold who has prototypical features and attributes.  It's just kinda crazy.