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21 minutes ago, Dcat said:

most of them completely out of football.  Wow.  

These guys suck and this is a D at best, but this is not strictly true.  It's also not particularly surprising.  4 seasons have passed and the average NFL career is something like 3.4 years. Still, the bulk of these guys are still hanging around the fringes of the NFL.  The problem was the lack of impact at the top.  People calling the 2017 draft a win, might want to wait to compare.  

George played 16 games for the Colts last year.  Dixon started 5 games for the Giants down the stretch (that's more games than Juston Burris has started in his career). Reilly has been with the Dolphins and Pats the last 2 years.  I'm not sure where he is, but was an older rookie expected to play specials and have a short career. McDougle played half a season for the world champs, then spent time with the Saints and is currently signed with the Jags.  Amaro and his little hands are hurt all the time and signed with the Chiefs.  He had more receiving yards his rookie year than any draft pick of Maccagnan's has had in their career.  38/345/2 on 53 targets compares favorably with ASJ's 2017 50/357/3 on 74 and there are people here complaining that we didn't give ASJ $5-8M per. Enemkpali was a final cut of the Raiders in 2017.  Boyd was an atrocity and apparently a Rex pick and I think that Saunders had/has substance issues.  I hated the Saunders pick anyway as he is a fidget.  Evans was with the Cowboys, but never made a roster and appears out of the game.  It will be interesting what happens with Pryor.  The Browns cut him because he refused to stop fighting Ricardo Louis when Hue told him too.  He played a couple of games for the Jags last year, but they cut him and he hasn't caught on again.  I'm wondering if he ends up in a camp.

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1 minute ago, Saul Goodman said:

Not a single goddamn offensive lineman. I wonder where our team would be if we had used the first 5 picks on the offensive line. Couldn’t be worse!

That trend continues.  I swear, I think someone sneaks into the Jets War Room the night before the Draft a literally pulls all the names of offensive lineman off their whiteboard.

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5 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

Not a single goddamn offensive lineman. I wonder where our team would be if we had used the first 5 picks on the offensive line. Couldn’t be worse!

 

2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

That trend continues.  I swear, I think someone sneaks into the Jets War Room the night before the Draft a literally pulls all the names of offensive lineman off their whiteboard.

I don't think this is a fair characterization of Idzik's draft strategy.  First of all, check the list again.  Dakota Dozier was a OT/OG drafted in the 4th of that draft.  More importantly, look at his 2013 draft:

1a. Milliner CB, 1b. Richardson DT/DE, 2. Geno QB, 3. Winters OT/OG,  5. Aboushi OT/OG, 6 Campbell OG, 7. Bohanon FB.

The team had D'Brick and Mangold playing at a decent level on expensive contracts that wouldn't allow them to be cut until 2017.  Contracts drafted and signed by Tannebaum, not Idzik.  They also had Austin Howard a decent enough RT who got a $30M contract from the Raiders in 2014. They took a shot on Campbell who was a DT at Michigan, but Winters was good enough to rate a fairly large (starter +) contract.  Aboushi started several games when Winters was hurt in 2014. He was suspended for a game to start 2015 and apparently did not endear himself to the new staff.  He was waived when he came off suspension and picked up by the Texans and started a few games.  His rookie contract up, he signed with the Seahawks last year and started half the year.  The team had 2-3 slots open and drafted 4 offensive linemen, plus signed Colon and Giacomini. 

The offensive line was not ignored by that administration. Maccagnan seems to think he can fill the line with later picks and bargain free agents.  I am hopeful that with Dennison they can get a cohesive plan together and get some bodies that do what they want.  In his 4 drafts they have taken two 5ths - Jarvis Harrison and Brandon Shell. Harrison was a known knucklehead coming out and flamed out quickly. 

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Year Rnd   Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2018 1 Sam Darnold 3 QB   0 0 0                               USC
2018 3 Nathan Shepherd 72 DT   0 0 0                               Fort Hays St.
2018 4 Christopher Herndon 107 TE   0 0 0                               Miami (FL)
2018 6 Parry Nickerson 179 CB   0 0 0                               Tulane
2018 6 Folorunso Fatukasi 180 DT   0 0 0                               Connecticut
2018 6 Trenton Cannon 204 RB   0 0 0                               Virginia St.
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2017 1 Jamal Adams 6 S 2017 0 0 1 7 16                         2.0 LSU
2017 2 Marcus Maye 39 S 2017 0 0 1 6 16                       2   Florida
2017 3 ArDarius Stewart 79 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 15           7 27 0 6 82 0     Alabama
2017 4 Chad Hansen 141 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 15                 9 94 0     California
2017 5 Jordan Leggett 150 TE   0 0 0                               Clemson
2017 5 Dylan Donahue 181 DL 2017 0 0 0 0 4                           West Georgia
2017 6 Elijah McGuire 188 RB 2017 0 0 0 3 16           88 315 1 17 177 1     Louisiana
2017 6 Jeremy Clark 197 CB 2017 0 0 0 0 1                           Michigan
2017 6 Derrick Jones 204 CB 2017 0 0 0 0 3                           Mississippi
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2017 0 0 2 12 28                         4.0 Ohio St.
2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB   0 0 0                               Penn St.
2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2017 0 0 2 12 30                         5.5 Georgia
2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2017 0 0 0 3 30                       2   North Carolina St.
2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2017 0 0 1 7 20                           South Carolina
2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2017 0 0 2 3 32 1 1 31 0 0 1 0 0           Sam Houston St.
2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 18                 20 189 0     Clemson
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2017 0 1 2 26 48                       1 12.0 USC
2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14                 10 135 1     Ohio St.
2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26                       1 6.5 Louisville
2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2017 0 0 0 4 10 130 245 1353 4 10 12 74 0           Baylor
2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G   0 0 0                               Texas A&M
2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16                         1.5 NW State (LA)
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ

 

Apart from Darnold.....is this era really any better?

2015, one starter (a disappointing one) in Williams.

2016, two starters, one loathed by fans (Lee) and one ok, sorta JAGy Lineman (Shell).  And a huge bust 2nd round QB.

2017, Two starters.  They're safeties.  And a backup RB.

2018, Darnold and a bunch of ???

If you want to knwo why we're bad, one need look no further than the draft classes of the past two regimes.

Only difference between the last GM and Macc is that Macc's guys are all still on the roster (mostly).....because keeping them there is uip to Macc, not his replacement.

 

Put another way, Bryce Petty is by far the most productive Offensive player Macc has drafted so far (till Darnold plays).

Think about THAT for a while.

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3 minutes ago, Warfish said:
Year Rnd   Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2018 1 Sam Darnold 3 QB   0 0 0                               USC
2018 3 Nathan Shepherd 72 DT   0 0 0                               Fort Hays St.
2018 4 Christopher Herndon 107 TE   0 0 0                               Miami (FL)
2018 6 Parry Nickerson 179 CB   0 0 0                               Tulane
2018 6 Folorunso Fatukasi 180 DT   0 0 0                               Connecticut
2018 6 Trenton Cannon 204 RB   0 0 0                               Virginia St.
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2017 1 Jamal Adams 6 S 2017 0 0 1 7 16                         2.0 LSU
2017 2 Marcus Maye 39 S 2017 0 0 1 6 16                       2   Florida
2017 3 ArDarius Stewart 79 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 15           7 27 0 6 82 0     Alabama
2017 4 Chad Hansen 141 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 15                 9 94 0     California
2017 5 Jordan Leggett 150 TE   0 0 0                               Clemson
2017 5 Dylan Donahue 181 DL 2017 0 0 0 0 4                           West Georgia
2017 6 Elijah McGuire 188 RB 2017 0 0 0 3 16           88 315 1 17 177 1     Louisiana
2017 6 Jeremy Clark 197 CB 2017 0 0 0 0 1                           Michigan
2017 6 Derrick Jones 204 CB 2017 0 0 0 0 3                           Mississippi
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2017 0 0 2 12 28                         4.0 Ohio St.
2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB   0 0 0                               Penn St.
2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2017 0 0 2 12 30                         5.5 Georgia
2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2017 0 0 0 3 30                       2   North Carolina St.
2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2017 0 0 1 7 20                           South Carolina
2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2017 0 0 2 3 32 1 1 31 0 0 1 0 0           Sam Houston St.
2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 18                 20 189 0     Clemson
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ
2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2017 0 1 2 26 48                       1 12.0 USC
2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14                 10 135 1     Ohio St.
2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26                       1 6.5 Louisville
2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2017 0 0 0 4 10 130 245 1353 4 10 12 74 0           Baylor
2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G   0 0 0                               Texas A&M
2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16                         1.5 NW State (LA)
Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ

 

Apart from Darnold.....is this era really any better?

2015, one starter (a disappointing one) in Williams.

2016, two starters, one loathed by fans (Lee) and one ok, sorta JAGy Lineman (Shell).  And a huge bust 2nd round QB.

2017, Two starters.  They're safeties.  And a backup RB.

2018, Darnold and a bunch of ???

If you want to knwo why we're bad, one need look no further than the draft classes of the past two regimes.

Only difference between the last GM and Macc is that Macc's guys are all still on the roster (mostly).....because keeping them there is uip to Macc, not his replacement.

 

Put another way, Bryce Petty is by far the most productive Offensive player Macc has drafted so far (till Darnold plays).

Think about THAT for a while.

This is a big year for the 2016 guys.  Forget Hack, we all know that was a colossal mistake.  But there has been some level of contribution from every one of the other guys.  3rd year is typically make or break.  I'll be looking at Lee, Jenkins, and Shell to see if we have longterm starters and Burris to see if he can ever hope to take over at CB2.

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31 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

I remember just staring blankly at the screen when they made the McDougle pick.  The other thing I'll remember is how that 2014 Draft was so deep at WR and the Jets had a big need at WR.  Then they passed on a ton of guys only to take two of the worst possible ones back-to-back in Rounds 4 and 5.  We left Kelvin Benjamin, Devante Adams, Jordan Matthews and Brandin Cooks on the board to take Pryor.....as well as passing on Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater.  We took Jace Amaro and left Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry on the board.  2014 was literally THE DRAFT for WRs.  We took 3 of them and at least 10-15 different ones turned out to be better than ours.  You think I'm kidding?  Even guys like John Brown (AZ), Martavis Bryant and Donte Moncrief were on the board in Rounds 3 and 4.

A truly hideous draft.

CB was a bigger need.  They traded Revis in 2013 and let Cro walk in 2014.  Rex was throwing tables because they let DRC walk to the Giants and the only body they signed was Dimitri Patterson.  Patterson was one of those troubled dudes that isn't good enough for us to hear about, but is good enough to hang around the league for a decade.  He skipped the Giants preseason game without telling anybody and didn't even make it out of camp and has been getting arrested and suing ESPN ever since. 

Darrin Walls played 70% of the snaps at CB that year.  Milliner lasted a couple of weeks and they started a S, Antonio Allen, at CB for half the year.  Guys were being signed off the street to start - Phillip Adams, Josh Thomas, Marcus Williams.  The only other guys on the roster were Wilson and Lankster.  Ouch.  It accomplished Idzik's goal of getting Rex fired, but got him dumped as well. 

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