BrickTamland Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 While I'm very excited to see what comes in 2018, I can't help but think about 2019. I don't know if anyone else cares to discuss, but here goes. In 2019, we'll have Darnold with one NFL year under his belt, likely with at least some starting experience. Brady will be a year older. The Dolphins will still suck. Josh Allen will be throwing it into the stands (kidding). Here's a look at how the team will be set up from 2019 and beyond: Positional Breakdowns for 2019 and Beyond Starting with the D-line: it looks like we have set up our new young foundation. At least that is the hope. At the conclusion of the draft, I was initially annoyed that we invested so many additional resources into this unit. It helps to keep in mind that McLendon is an older vet on his last year. Apparently, the hope is that Foley will step in. Wilkerson is gone, so we got his potential replacement, Anderson, in a very cheap trade. Leonard Williams is no lock to be on the team next year, so we have Shepherd to take his spot. Behind those guys we have Mike Pennel. I don't think there is a need here. Flipping over to the O-line: following the draft I was annoyed that we put so little emphasis here. As Mac has indicated himself, he just doesn't prioritize these guys in the early rounds. The good news is that most of the starters are signed through 2019 or later. Beachum, Winters, Long and Shell are all signed through at least 2019. Here, we have 1 potential hole at Guard. I won't say anything about safeties, except to acknowledge that we appear to have starting quality players well through 2019. At CB, I'm glad we have our CB1 going through 2019, but this group is looking a little precarious at the moment. We don't know what we will have in Parry Nickerson. We have so many young players and yet they're all question marks. We have 2 potential holes at CB. At LB, I'm cautiously optimistic with what we have going on. ILBs Lee and Williamson are here. Jordan Jenkins can man one OLB spot. Furthermore, we have Luvu, who I am hopeful will be a spark player to insert to rush the passer. However, we still have 1 hole proven pass rusher. Turning to the playmakers on offense, again, we have a lot of question marks. At WR, our top 4 players will be FA following 2018, which is a blessing and a curse. All of these guys will be motivated to put up good numbers. We will have the resources to re-sign the guys who can produce and stay healthy. We might have a player in Hansen. Stewart, Peake and the others are all question marks. Otherwise, we have 3 potential holes at WR. At RB, Crowell is signed through 2019. After that, we have our rookie, Cannon, and maybe one of the UDFA will stick. Unless one of those youngens shows up bigtime, we have 1 hole at RB. At TE, I don't know what we have. We have a lot of players with talent who haven't produced yet in the NFL. Finally, at QB, we will have 1 need for a proven backup QB. Financial Situation As of this moment, we have approximately 90M in cap space for 2019. Addressing our Needs By this very premature tally, I'd think we have approximately 9 holes. I expect a number of those to be filled by re-signing our own players (ie 1 or 2 of our WR, CB Morris Claiborne). Additionally, we certainly hope that our own guys will step up (can Nickerson be effective as a starting CB? can Cannon be our new scat back?). With regard to other teams -- would anyone else love to raid the Vikings? Thanks to their victory in the Cousins sweepstakes, it will be very hard for them to sign their top two free agents Stefon Diggs and Danielle Hunter. (They have about 23M in cap space right now). Either one of those players would be exceptional steals for our team. (They also have free agents in Anthony Barr, Sheldon Richardson, Latavius Murray). It's so early to go crazy looking into the various free agents, but here are some more potentially exciting guys at positions we will need: WR : Brandin Cooks, Devin Funchess, OBJ, Josh Gordon, Martavis Bryant RB: Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson, LeVeon Bell, David Johnson, Ty Montgomery CB: Ronald Darby, Bradley Roby.... Regardless of how we obtain the players, the 90M will go a long way to building a quality team that will contend if Darnold develops into who we hope he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I am excited for the 2035 season as well, we should have lots of cap space then too ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Quote Flipping over to the O-line: following the draft I was annoyed that we put so little emphasis here. As Mac has indicated himself, he just doesn't prioritize these guys in the early rounds. Why protect your franchise QB when you can spend top resources on players who's primary responsibilities are to chase whichever receiver just beat Buster Skrine into the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2019 draft looks to be Pass Rush rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: 2019 draft looks to be Pass Rush rich And offensive line rich..the two exact positions that we have no one even OK at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Only one more year! Phew. Man time flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Stop rushing through years like they don't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenGhost Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 55 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Only one more year! Phew. Man time flies when you're having so much fun. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 If you ask Bowles, the Jets were in playoff contention last year before McCown went down. So not really sure what you’re talking about with this 2019 stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Jets Fans: Giving Up on the Season in May for 40+ Years and Counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: And offensive line rich..the two exact positions that we have no one even OK at. So, this is a “suck for everyone” season again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, j4jets said: So, this is a “suck for everyone” season again? Nah. We shouldn’t purposely lose for for anyone. We have our QB now. I’d even argue that the opposite should be applied given the fact there are so many good options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Warfish said: Jets Fans: Giving Up on the Season in May for 40+ Years and Counting They wouldn’t exactly had been wrong, either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Why not us? Why not now? Wasn't that the Parcells training camp shirt when he got to the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Larz said: Why not us? Why not now? Wasn't that the Parcells training camp shirt when he got to the Jets? That was the Orlando Magic's slogan when they went to the NBA finals in the mid 90s. In any event, no more sucking for anybody. We just need an Oline and a pass rusher now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Nah. We shouldn’t purposely lose for for anyone. We have our QB now. I’d even argue that the opposite should be applied given the fact there are so many good options. Agree. We will be ok - decent this year. I will be shocked if we lose less than 6 games. Im guessing 8-8 record. OTOH, we are not a realistic SB contender. I think we can be, as soon as 2019, if Darnold is coming along nicely and a few more players break our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 16 hours ago, BrickTamland said: While I'm very excited to see what comes in 2018, I can't help but think about 2019. I don't know if anyone else cares to discuss, but here goes. In 2019, we'll have.... You miss the biggest storyline of the 2019 season: A new head coach who is an experienced winner. In today's NFL, you can't court the elite head coaching veterans if you don't have an elite franchise quarterback prospect. The Jets should be well-positioned to make that happen next year. We don't need Darnold to actually perform like a franchise quarterback this season; we just need him to show enough promise to make everyone in the NFL think he's actually going to turn out that way. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Taylor Lewan & Zack Martin in 2019 free agency as our two big purchases will help out plenty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Clearing dead cap space, and spending more cap on players actually on the team will help 2019 too Over $10m in dead cap for three years in a row, I know the Jets are not the worst in this area but that's a superstar player who could make a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 17 hours ago, GreenFish said: If you ask Bowles, the Jets were in playoff contention last year before McCown went down. So not really sure what you’re talking about with this 2019 stuff. Playoff contention for miniature golf ?️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, Jetster said: Taylor Lewan & Zack Martin in 2019 free agency as our two big purchases will help out plenty! Mac really needs to get some quality OL in here to protect Darnold or it’s just going to be an accident waiting to happen. The Trojan OL in 2017 was mediocre compared to 2016 and Darnold was under constant pressure thus resulting into numerous turnovers. I don’t see Darnold playing much this year which actually might be a wise move. This OL is pedestrian at best. In 2019, it needs to be revamped with FA’s. We only have a #1, no 2, next year which will more than likely be used on a pass rusher. At 3-4, chances are you’re not getting elite OL. Do it Mac, upgrade the OL or Darnold will be burnt toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 16 hours ago, Warfish said: Jets Fans: Giving Up on the Season in May for 40+ Years and Counting With Josh McClown as the starter, it’s the smart thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 16 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Nah. We shouldn’t purposely lose for for anyone. We have our QB now. I’d even argue that the opposite should be applied given the fact there are so many good options. Yup Right now we're tied for 1st. We could have easily been 8-8 last year. We were "in" almost every game , a bounce here a call there could have made it happen. I'm looking for a quick turn around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 2 hours ago, BigO said: With Josh McClown as the starter, it’s the smart thing to do. If you're a loser, sure. Can't speak for you, I'm tired of the endless "5 years from now, maybe..." type of fan (and team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 LOL. Can we please get through TC before we give up on this season? Jesus H Christ some guys just love to wallow don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 19 hours ago, Warfish said: Jets Fans: Giving Up on the Season in May for 40+ Years and Counting 49 years to be exact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 Some people are acting like I said to give up on the year in OP. To the contrary I am excited for this year and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Regardless, the reality is, we are not a top 10 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 4 hours ago, BigO said: Mac really needs to get some quality OL in here to protect Darnold or it’s just going to be an accident waiting to happen. The Trojan OL in 2017 was mediocre compared to 2016 and Darnold was under constant pressure thus resulting into numerous turnovers. I don’t see Darnold playing much this year which actually might be a wise move. This OL is pedestrian at best. In 2019, it needs to be revamped with FA’s. We only have a #1, no 2, next year which will more than likely be used on a pass rusher. At 3-4, chances are you’re not getting elite OL. Do it Mac, upgrade the OL or Darnold will be burnt toast. Depending on how this year plays out, I’d argue OL would be a major need. I don’t have trust in ANY of the OL starters we have. They are average at the very best, some being far below average. It’s not the Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore and Woody OL. That’s where we need to be. Not drafting a bunch of DL only to release them or trade them later on. NFL games are won in the trenches and I’m pretty sure we’ve invested far more on the DL/LBs than OL. 2 OL drafted by Mac in 4 years. All the while we had one of the worse OL in the league. SMDH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 I doubt we are a playoff team this year, although there is an outside chance if everything goes right. 2019 might even be a step down, as Darnold plays his first year and has the associated growing pains. I think the real contention starts in 2020 and 2021 where hopefully all the long term young players we've been drafting (and will draft) start to enter their primes. We still need a lot of picks at the OL, a real franchise wr1, a TE1, a RB1, a pass rusher, and a cb1. So I'd say at least 7-8 big needs that are still unmet with probably at least 5 or 6 of those that need to be drafted (we can probably get one or two in FA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 1:06 PM, BrickTamland said: While I'm very excited to see what comes in 2018, I can't help but think about 2019. I don't know if anyone else cares to discuss, but here goes. In 2019, we'll have Darnold with one NFL year under his belt, likely with at least some starting experience. Brady will be a year older. The Dolphins will still suck. Josh Allen will be throwing it into the stands (kidding). Here's a look at how the team will be set up from 2019 and beyond: Positional Breakdowns for 2019 and Beyond Starting with the D-line: it looks like we have set up our new young foundation. At least that is the hope. At the conclusion of the draft, I was initially annoyed that we invested so many additional resources into this unit. It helps to keep in mind that McLendon is an older vet on his last year. Apparently, the hope is that Foley will step in. Wilkerson is gone, so we got his potential replacement, Anderson, in a very cheap trade. Leonard Williams is no lock to be on the team next year, so we have Shepherd to take his spot. Behind those guys we have Mike Pennel. I don't think there is a need here. Flipping over to the O-line: following the draft I was annoyed that we put so little emphasis here. As Mac has indicated himself, he just doesn't prioritize these guys in the early rounds. The good news is that most of the starters are signed through 2019 or later. Beachum, Winters, Long and Shell are all signed through at least 2019. Here, we have 1 potential hole at Guard. I won't say anything about safeties, except to acknowledge that we appear to have starting quality players well through 2019. At CB, I'm glad we have our CB1 going through 2019, but this group is looking a little precarious at the moment. We don't know what we will have in Parry Nickerson. We have so many young players and yet they're all question marks. We have 2 potential holes at CB. At LB, I'm cautiously optimistic with what we have going on. ILBs Lee and Williamson are here. Jordan Jenkins can man one OLB spot. Furthermore, we have Luvu, who I am hopeful will be a spark player to insert to rush the passer. However, we still have 1 hole proven pass rusher. Turning to the playmakers on offense, again, we have a lot of question marks. At WR, our top 4 players will be FA following 2018, which is a blessing and a curse. All of these guys will be motivated to put up good numbers. We will have the resources to re-sign the guys who can produce and stay healthy. We might have a player in Hansen. Stewart, Peake and the others are all question marks. Otherwise, we have 3 potential holes at WR. At RB, Crowell is signed through 2019. After that, we have our rookie, Cannon, and maybe one of the UDFA will stick. Unless one of those youngens shows up bigtime, we have 1 hole at RB. At TE, I don't know what we have. We have a lot of players with talent who haven't produced yet in the NFL. Finally, at QB, we will have 1 need for a proven backup QB. Financial Situation As of this moment, we have approximately 90M in cap space for 2019. Addressing our Needs By this very premature tally, I'd think we have approximately 9 holes. I expect a number of those to be filled by re-signing our own players (ie 1 or 2 of our WR, CB Morris Claiborne). Additionally, we certainly hope that our own guys will step up (can Nickerson be effective as a starting CB? can Cannon be our new scat back?). With regard to other teams -- would anyone else love to raid the Vikings? Thanks to their victory in the Cousins sweepstakes, it will be very hard for them to sign their top two free agents Stefon Diggs and Danielle Hunter. (They have about 23M in cap space right now). Either one of those players would be exceptional steals for our team. (They also have free agents in Anthony Barr, Sheldon Richardson, Latavius Murray). It's so early to go crazy looking into the various free agents, but here are some more potentially exciting guys at positions we will need: WR : Brandin Cooks, Devin Funchess, OBJ, Josh Gordon, Martavis Bryant RB: Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson, LeVeon Bell, David Johnson, Ty Montgomery CB: Ronald Darby, Bradley Roby.... Regardless of how we obtain the players, the 90M will go a long way to building a quality team that will contend if Darnold develops into who we hope he will. Ugh seriously? Can we wait for opening day at least in 2018? This team can absolutely be in contention this year. We as a fan base need to stop being so obsess with drafts and “cap room” and concentrate on the task ahead, winning games this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 2020 and beyond... The OP is a year early. But it sure is nice to feel optimistic, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrickTamland Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Ugh seriously? Can we wait for opening day at least in 2018? This team can absolutely be in contention this year. We as a fan base need to stop being so obsess with drafts and “cap room” and concentrate on the task ahead, winning games this season! Ugh. Can’t you, like, think big picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Just now, BrickTamland said: Ugh. Can’t you, like, think big picture Live in the moment man, jet fans gave up on last season, pretty sure the season before. Constantly here about draft picks and cap room when we have a solid roster and exciting season coming up. You guys remind me of the guy who always puts off taking that dream vacation till next year then drops dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 19 hours ago, RoadFan said: 2020 and beyond... The OP is a year early. But it sure is nice to feel optimistic, isn't it? 2020? Why not 2025? The Colts only made the playoffs with Luck as a rookie just one season after 2-14 and the Pats won a Super Bowl after going 5-11 the previous season but we have to wait another 10 years for Macagnan to learn how to draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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