Jets would not talk to Giants about 2nd pick in draft due to Giants connection with Bills

[UnknownJetFan]

Jets would not talk to Giants about 2nd pick in draft due to Giants connection with Bills in link below. Good tie in with the Breer Darnold article.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-the-jets-surprisingly-logical-reason-for-not-calling-giants-about-no-2-draft-pick/

This turns out the way we hope and Mac is going to get and keep getting accolades for a long time.

[Patriot Killa]

It was a smart and aware move not to speak to them if they really did cover 3 QB’s.

[Lupz27]

5 minutes ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Jets would not talk to Giants about 2nd pick in draft due to Giants connection with Bills in link below. Good tie in with the Breer Darnold article.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-the-jets-surprisingly-logical-reason-for-not-calling-giants-about-no-2-draft-pick/

This turns out the way we hope and Mac is going to get and keep getting accolades for a long time.

This is really just a piggy back off of Breer’s MMQB article, such lazy reporting, NFL media is in such a. sad state right now.

[Larz]

[Larz]

[flgreen]

52 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

This is really just a piggy back off of Breer’s MMQB article, such lazy reporting, NFL media is in such a. sad state right now.

Of course your right, but he did give credit, and I enjoyed reading it.

[Nixhead]

Blah blah blah. Jets fell in Love with Mayfield. No matter who they picked the guy they picked was gonna be their top target the whole time - at least that was the plan. Do you really think that if they got Rosen they would of said - yeah he was our 3rd choice - we r happy with him but had him 3rd.  No way they ever would do that.  Now seriously I can believe that Darnold was their number 1 choice BUT I'm not 100% convinced that Baker wasn't #1 in their eyes. We will really maybe never know.

[Lupz27]

23 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

Blah blah blah. Jets fell in Love with Mayfield. No matter who they picked the guy they picked was gonna be their top target the whole time - at least that was the plan. Do you really think that if they got Rosen they would of said - yeah he was our 3rd choice - we r happy with him but had him 3rd.  No way they ever would do that.  Now seriously I can believe that Darnold was their number 1 choice BUT I'm not 100% convinced that Baker wasn't #1 in their eyes. We will really maybe never know.

Not being able to genuinely hide their giddiness especially Bowles who is never giddy about anything, but Safties, and hybrid LB’s was visibly giddy, all the stories believe them, or not paint a picture that the Jets fell in love with Baker because they never thought Darnold was in play, when he became in play Baker was still the consolation prize in the Jets eyes, but up until 10 days before the draft they had no disappointment getting their perceived consolation prize, but their would have been a lot less smiles, and giddiness if Darnold didn’t fall after they got 10 days of out of nowhere hope for Darnold.

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, Nixhead said:

Blah blah blah. Jets fell in Love with Mayfield. No matter who they picked the guy they picked was gonna be their top target the whole time - at least that was the plan. Do you really think that if they got Rosen they would of said - yeah he was our 3rd choice - we r happy with him but had him 3rd.  No way they ever would do that.  Now seriously I can believe that Darnold was their number 1 choice BUT I'm not 100% convinced that Baker wasn't #1 in their eyes. We will really maybe never know.

well than I guess Breer just fabricated the whole chronology he wrote up.   

[Titan24]

It’s the entire world of news/sports in the social media existence   Let’s write a story based on opinions to fill space until something actually happens.  Then report on it give opinions....rinse and repeat......it’s the way of the world......

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

well than I guess Breer just fabricated the whole chronology he wrote up.   

Yup that is clearly what happened.

[Patriot Killa]

2 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Not being able to genuinely hide their giddiness especially Bowles who is never giddy about anything, but Safties, and hybrid LB’s was visibly giddy, all the stories believe them, or not paint a picture that the Jets fell in love with Baker because they never thought Darnold was in play, when he became in play Baker was still the consolation prize in the Jets eyes, but up until 10 days before the draft they had no disappointment getting their perceived consolation prize, but their would have been a lot less smiles, and giddiness if Darnold didn’t fall after they got 10 days of out of nowhere hope for Darnold.

This. 

Guys...lol...this organization collectively pissed their pants with one goofy ass smile on as soon as Darnold fell in their laps. It was quite evident and the giant piece on the Darnold journey by Breer really shed light on that. You think the Jets organization set that piece up for fun? Or to convince fans he was our guy?

No...Breer did some digging and pieced together something that was already evident at face value.

we loved Darnold. We thought Mayfield was really good..but we loved Darnold.

[j4jets]

8 hours ago, Nixhead said:

Blah blah blah. Jets fell in Love with Mayfield. No matter who they picked the guy they picked was gonna be their top target the whole time - at least that was the plan. Do you really think that if they got Rosen they would of said - yeah he was our 3rd choice - we r happy with him but had him 3rd.  No way they ever would do that.  Now seriously I can believe that Darnold was their number 1 choice BUT I'm not 100% convinced that Baker wasn't #1 in their eyes. We will really maybe never know.

And you know this how exactly?

[Integrity28]

I love Darnold. I don’t know why you dipsh*ts care whether he was or was not the guy we wanted as 1a or 1b. We got him. Find something dumber to argue about.

[T0mShane]

12 hours ago, Nixhead said:

Blah blah blah. Jets fell in Love with Mayfield. No matter who they picked the guy they picked was gonna be their top target the whole time - at least that was the plan. Do you really think that if they got Rosen they would of said - yeah he was our 3rd choice - we r happy with him but had him 3rd.  No way they ever would do that.  Now seriously I can believe that Darnold was their number 1 choice BUT I'm not 100% convinced that Baker wasn't #1 in their eyes. We will really maybe never know.

I will say, this spin that landing Darnold has anything to do with the Jets being competent and having a disciplined, long-term strategy to draft their chosen QB in 2018 requires some serious suspension of disbelief and a complete denial of the history. You can be happy the Jets fell ass backward into Darnold and still acknowledge that the conscious planning of Mike Maccagnan had literally nothing to do with it. This is like when a dude wins the lottery and starts talking about how he had a strategy for picking the numbers, and how he also drops $150 per week on quick picks 

[slats]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I will say, this spin that landing Darnold has anything to do with the Jets being competent and having a disciplined, long-term strategy to draft their chosen QB in 2018 requires some serious suspension of disbelief and a complete denial of the history. You can be happy the Jets fell ass backward into Darnold and still acknowledge that the conscious planning of Mike Maccagnan had literally nothing to do with it. This is like when a dude wins the lottery and starts talking about how he had a strategy for picking the numbers, and how he also drops $150 per week on quick picks 

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The Jets definitely got lucky. I don't think anyone thought Darnold would get past pick #2. I barely considered him for the Jets because I never thought he'd be there. But by the same token, they never would've landed Darnold had they not traded up to #3. And, despite some complaints about the cost to move up, probably got a deal on that pick compared to what it would've cost during the draft with Darnold still on the board. 

So yeah, lucky. No doubt. But he did put himself in position to get lucky. He deserves a little credit. 

[Thai Jet]

3 hours ago, j4jets said:

And you know this how exactly?

I think he's right. No matter who we picked it was going to be "the guy we wanted all along". That's what all the teams basically say. I remember when Chuck Knox was with the Bills he'd ALWAYS say that even if it was obvious that the guy they really wanted was long gone. It became a yearly joke here.

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

The Jets definitely got lucky. I don't think anyone thought Darnold would get past pick #2. I barely considered him for the Jets because I never thought he'd be there. But by the same token, they never would've landed Darnold had they not traded up to #3. And, despite some complaints about the cost to move up, probably got a deal on that pick compared to what it would've cost during the draft with Darnold still on the board. 

So yeah, lucky. No doubt. But he did put himself in position to get lucky. He deserves a little credit. 

If you’ll recall, I commended them on the tradeup because they needed to be the guy spending $150 per on quick-picks. I took a lot of flack from @dbatesman over it. Mad heat. 

[Obrien2Toon]

13 hours ago, Nixhead said:

Blah blah blah. Jets fell in Love with Mayfield. No matter who they picked the guy they picked was gonna be their top target the whole time - at least that was the plan. Do you really think that if they got Rosen they would of said - yeah he was our 3rd choice - we r happy with him but had him 3rd.  No way they ever would do that.  Now seriously I can believe that Darnold was their number 1 choice BUT I'm not 100% convinced that Baker wasn't #1 in their eyes. We will really maybe never know.

This is really pretty obvious to anyone not biased

but this is the draft honeymoon period on here

not allowed to say this

[MDL_JET]

13 hours ago, Nixhead said:

Blah blah blah. Jets fell in Love with Mayfield. No matter who they picked the guy they picked was gonna be their top target the whole time - at least that was the plan. Do you really think that if they got Rosen they would of said - yeah he was our 3rd choice - we r happy with him but had him 3rd.  No way they ever would do that.  Now seriously I can believe that Darnold was their number 1 choice BUT I'm not 100% convinced that Baker wasn't #1 in their eyes. We will really maybe never know.

No but they could've said something like "we're extremely happy with how things played out and happy that Josh was there, it was an easy choice for us". 

I think they loved Darnold, never thought he'd be there, hence not even bringing him to visit. So they looked to Mayfield and Rosen. 

[dbatesman]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If you’ll recall, I commended them on the tradeup because they needed to be the guy spending $150 per on quick-picks. I took a lot of flack from @dbatesman over it. Mad heat. 

I stand by it, because at the time it sure looked like we traded four picks for Josh Allen.

[jetstream23]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I will say, this spin that landing Darnold has anything to do with the Jets being competent and having a disciplined, long-term strategy to draft their chosen QB in 2018 requires some serious suspension of disbelief and a complete denial of the history. You can be happy the Jets fell ass backward into Darnold and still acknowledge that the conscious planning of Mike Maccagnan had literally nothing to do with it. This is like when a dude wins the lottery and starts talking about how he had a strategy for picking the numbers, and how he also drops $150 per week on quick picks 

I rarely disagree with you but everything I've read from the articles about the research being done for 2+ years to the timing of the trade more than 5 weeks before the Draft (and not giving up a #1) tell me that Macc was doing everything earthly possible to put himself in a position to get a guy like Darnold. The tank was clearly on for a QB in 2018....pushing the Jets higher in the Draft, increasing the percentage chance of landing the guy they coveted.   Macc knew he could sit back, stay at #6 and get a QB....some QB, but he was maximizing his chances of hitting the homerun.  But the Jets would not have been able to get to #3 on Draft night after Darnold fell there IMO.  The trade was prescient and risky...it was also calculated.  The Jets were researching Darnold just as he stepped onto the USC campus for the first time, by all accounts doing more homework and advance research on the top QBs than any other team.  They did immense amounts of work on the guys they were targeting (Darnold, Baker, Rosen) and could have gotten one of them at #6 (Rosen) by not making the trade.  But they still traded up....tick tick tick....again increasing the percentage chance that they get their guy.  

They may not have even gotten to #3 if Macc had miscalculated things and contacted the Giants who may have given the Bills a whiff that the Jets were going to cockblock them from the Top 3.  The timing of the trade will turn out to be one of the most ballsy and well executed things about the entire process.  The Jets pulled that trigger before any of the Pro Days and well in advance of Mayfield flying up the boards.  I also don't completely discount the massive rumor storm just a week before the Draft that the Jets were in love with Baker Mayfield.  This may....MAY...have pushed the Browns away from a  strategy that had them going Barkley at #1 and Mayfield at #4.  Again....tick tick tick....another percent or two added to the probability that Darnold falls by broadcasting Mayfield won't last past #3.  There is absolutely an element of luck in how the top of the Draft unfolded but I see a LOT of work that was done to make this actually come to fruition.  The Jets kept climbing and they may have done some things to pull their guy down to them at the same time.  The Jets and Darnold finally met at #3.

Did the Phoenix Suns get lucky last week by getting the #1 pick in the NBA Draft?  Sure they did, it was a lottery for crying out loud and they had a fricken ping pong ball tell them they'd pick first.  BUT, they maximized their chances by tanking the season, there was a strategy, and it gave them the highest odds (25%) of getting that first pick.  Did the Eagles get lucky to win the Super Bowl by going 3 for 3 on 4th down conversions?  Maybe, but I'd say they made their own luck by committing to that pedal-to-the-medal / assume the Pats will score on every drive strategy.  The Jets maximized their odds of getting the player they wanted and then benefited from the Browns being fearful Mayfield wouldn't last to #4 and taking him higher than almost any analyst or mock draft predicted.  The Jets made their own luck and it was f**king glorious to finally see something like this happen.

The answer to this question is clearly - 73% strategy, 27% luck.

Analytics told me.

 

[NoBowles]

8 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I stand by it, because at the time it sure looked like we traded four picks for Josh Allen.

You stand by it even though Allen was apparently not even in consideration for the pick? It was Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen.

[dbatesman]

8 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

You stand by it even though Allen was apparently not even in consideration for the pick? It was Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen.

Yes, because at the time, it sure looked like we traded four picks for Josh Allen.

[MDL_JET]

1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

Yes, because at the time, it sure looked like we traded four picks for Josh Allen.

He’s clearly a SOJ fan robot. He’s stuck on repeat. 

[T0mShane]

8 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

I rarely disagree with you but everything I've read from the articles about the research being done for 2+ years to the timing of the trade more than 5 weeks before the Draft (and not giving up a #1) tell me that Macc was doing everything earthly possible to put himself in a position to get a guy like Darnold. The tank was clearly on for a QB in 2018....pushing the Jets higher in the Draft, increasing the percentage chance of landing the guy they coveted.   Macc knew he could sit back, stay at #6 and get a QB....some QB, but he was maximizing his chances of hitting the homerun.  But the Jets would not have been able to get to #3 on Draft night after Darnold fell there IMO.  The trade was prescient and risky...it was also calculated.  The Jets were researching Darnold just as he stepped onto the USC campus for the first time, by all accounts doing more homework and advance research on the top QBs than any other team.  They did immense amounts of work on the guys they were targeting (Darnold, Baker, Rosen) and could have gotten one of them at #6 (Rosen) by not making the trade.  But they still traded up....tick tick tick....again increasing the percentage chance that they get their guy.  

They may not have even gotten to #3 if Macc had miscalculated things and contacted the Giants who may have given the Bills a whiff that the Jets were going to cockblock them from the Top 3.  The timing of the trade will turn out to be one of the most ballsy and well executed things about the entire process.  The Jets pulled that trigger before any of the Pro Days and well in advance of Mayfield flying up the boards.  I also don't completely discount the massive rumor storm just a week before the Draft that the Jets were in love with Baker Mayfield.  This may....MAY...have pushed the Browns away from a  strategy that had them going Barkley at #1 and Mayfield at #4.  Again....tick tick tick....another percent or two added to the probability that Darnold falls by broadcasting Mayfield won't last past #3.  There is absolutely an element of luck in how the top of the Draft unfolded but I see a LOT of work that was done to make this actually come to fruition.  The Jets kept climbing and they may have done some things to pull their guy down to them at the same time.  The Jets and Darnold finally met at #3.

Did the Phoenix Suns get lucky last week by getting the #1 pick in the NBA Draft?  Sure they did, it was a lottery for crying out loud and they had a fricken ping pong ball tell them they'd pick first.  BUT, they maximized their chances by tanking the season, there was a strategy, and it gave them the highest odds (25%) of getting that first pick.  Did the Eagles get lucky to win the Super Bowl by going 3 for 3 on 4th down conversions?  Maybe, but I'd say they made their own luck by committing to that pedal-to-the-medal / assume the Pats will score on every drive strategy.  The Jets maximized their odds of getting the player they wanted and then benefited from the Browns being fearful Mayfield wouldn't last to #4 and taking him higher than almost any analyst or mock draft predicted.  The Jets made their own luck and it was f**king glorious to finally see something like this happen.

The answer to this question is clearly - 73% strategy, 27% luck.

Analytics told me.

 

The only thing we read was that bizarre Breer piece that tried to sell the reader on the idea that the Jets, in 2015, saw a little-known four-star prospect throwing a football around at a tiny commuter school called USC and set out on a path to draft him someday, but in the meantime they were going to spend a 2 and a 4 on other QBs, then sign two washes-up journeymen to $40 mil in contracts, and all the while they were consciously planning on sucking by not drafting anyone who might factor into winning a football game, and—oh yeah—offering an ownership stake and $140 mil in cash to Kirk Cousins literally a few weeks before culminating this intricate, very conscious, three year plot. 

[j4jets]

1 hour ago, Thai Jet said:

I think he's right. No matter who we picked it was going to be "the guy we wanted all along". That's what all the teams basically say. I remember when Chuck Knox was with the Bills he'd ALWAYS say that even if it was obvious that the guy they really wanted was long gone. It became a yearly joke here.

True but he’s claiming Mayfield was our first Target. 17 out of 24 GMs has Darnold as their #1 guy. Darnold was ranked with 87 points. Mayfield was ranked #3 with 46, just one point above the 4th ranked Rosen. So it’s possible the other two GMs out of the three GM who voted Mayfield as #1 could be Mac but there’s about an 8% chance of that being true. 

 

[jetstream23]

33 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The only thing we read was that bizarre Breer piece that tried to sell the reader on the idea that the Jets, in 2015, saw a little-known four-star prospect throwing a football around at a tiny commuter school called USC and set out on a path to draft him someday, but in the meantime they were going to spend a 2 and a 4 on other QBs, then sign two washes-up journeymen to $40 mil in contracts, and all the while they were consciously planning on sucking by not drafting anyone who might factor into winning a football game, and—oh yeah—offering an ownership stake and $140 mil in cash to Kirk Cousins literally a few weeks before culminating this intricate, very conscious, three year plot. 

I'm with you. And, I'm not saying Darnold has been the target for 3 years.  But I am saying that the landing of Darnold was not complete luck and that a combination of decisions (not happenstance) is what lead to the Jets steadily climbing up to #3 and meeting Sam Darnold there.  This team could have just as easily picked Allen or Rosen and they would have justified it somehow.  I'm giving them credit for making a series of wise decisions and moves including selecting a QB that two other teams passed on.  The Jets got the ammo to load the gun and then hit the target when they took their shot.

[NoBowles]

42 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Yes, because at the time, it sure looked like we traded four picks for Josh Allen.

In your warped Idzik loving mind maybe, but to the rest of humanity, not so much.

[jetstream23]

14 minutes ago, j4jets said:

True but he’s claiming Mayfield was our first Target. 17 out of 24 GMs has Darnold as their #1 guy. Darnold was ranked with 87 points. Mayfield was ranked #3 with 46, just one point above the 4th ranked Rosen. So it’s possible the other two GMs out of the three GM who voted Mayfield as #1 could be Mac but there’s about an 8% chance of that being true. 

 

 

Ian Rappoport reported that Darnold was, in fact, #1 on the Jets board.  There did seem to be a disinformation campaign by the Jets in the week leading up to the Draft that Mayfield was the Jets target.

 

Quote

 

“They (the Jets) knew Mayfield would be there at 3 because he wasn’t going to go #1 and he wasn’t going to go #2”

”Of course, Darnold was the Jets top-rated QB”

  

http://www.nfl.com/videos/up-to-the-minute/0ap3000000931996/Rapoport-Jets-traded-up-for-Mayfield-thought-Darnold-would-be-gone

 

 

[tfine]

LOL I see some fans want to label this GM as some bumbling fool who drafted this Darnold by accident. Mac deserves all the credit in the world for landing the top QB regardless of how he did it. He put himself in the best possible position to do so. Guess some fans are still mad we didn’t get Deshawn Watson.

 

 

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[rangerous]

17 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

It was a smart and aware move not to speak to them if they really did cover 3 QB’s.

yep but really as long as allen wasn't on their top 3, they were going to get a really good qb.  and yes mac deserves some credit for knowing who and who not to talk about trades. as they say a good deal is one that helps both parties.  the colts got draft picks to help out theiroline and the jets got the best qb in the draft.

[slats]

1 hour ago, tfine said:

LOL I see some fans want to label this GM as some bumbling fool who drafted this Darnold by accident. Mac deserves all the credit in the world for landing the top QB regardless of how he did it. He put himself in the best possible position to do so. Guess some fans are still mad we didn’t get Deshawn Watson.

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There are definitely fans who will be comparing Watson to Darnold over their careers. I'm fairly optimistic that the Jets find themselves in better shape long-term with Darnold. 

[flgreen]

4 hours ago, dbatesman said:

I stand by it, because at the time it sure looked like we traded four picks for Josh Allen.

No it really didn't look that way.  At the time it looked like they traded up for Baker Mayfield.  Mostly because they didn't think there was any chance that Darnold would be there.  As it turned out Mayfield was the first player taken in the draft.  

Jets just drafted, potentially, the most impactful  player they have drafted in 50+ years, and people are pissed about it.

Most peculiar.  

[dbatesman]

8 minutes ago, flgreen said:

No it really didn't look that way.  At the time it looked like they traded up for Baker Mayfield.  Mostly because they didn't think there was any chance that Darnold would be there.  As it turned out Mayfield was the first player taken in the draft.  

Jets just drafted, potentially, the most impactful  player they have drafted in 50+ years, and people are pissed about it.

Most peculiar.  

What’s peculiar is how everyone except me apparently knew all along exactly who we would and wouldn’t draft. I have no idea what basis you have for believing I’m unhappy with Darnold save the standard JN bad-faith reading of any post that’s not loaded with creamed-jeans praise.