NY Jets Trade Christian Hackenberg

[Patriot Killa]

Just now, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I might invest in a Chinese Hack jersey now.

Man, this sucks....

I still miss Jeremy Lin.

[Dinamite]

57 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

Honest question.  If blowing a 2nd Rd pick on Hack and learning from that mistake made Macc get it right this time with Darnold, was it worth the investment?

I say yes.  

Agreed.  It may have led them away from J. Allen for example.

[#27TheDominator]

1 minute ago, RSJ said:

 

How many people on the planet think Kacy Rodgers II is good?


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The Chiefs had him in at some point and he has been playing.  They switched his position to LB.  I will be interested to see if he is out of place bad in the preseason.  Probably a Chris Smith situation. 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, RSJ said:

 

How many people on the planet think Kacy Rodgers II is good?


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Kacy Rodgers I?

[#27TheDominator]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s likely that this isn’t the first time Hackenberg has voiced these concerns. It’s just the first time he did it into a microphone. 

I was interested to see if there was a change this year.  I like Christensen more as a guru than Palmer. Still, can't be shocked or upset about this.  

[#27TheDominator]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Kacy Rodgers I?

My father finally admitted to my mother that I had better hands than him - though he was sure to add "but I was faster"

[Jimmy 2 Times]

This is really making me contemplate life...  I mean, what’s the point?

[TuscanyTile2]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I might invest in a Chinese Hack jersey now.

Man, this sucks....

The Jets didn't put any effort into coaching up their 2nd round pick.  As someone else said - organizational failure (starting with Todd Bowles).

[T0mShane]

Just now, #27TheDominator said:

I was interested to see if there was a change this year.  I like Christensen more as a guru than Palmer. Still, can't be shocked or upset about this.  

Absolutely. Every team makes bad draft mistakes. You just have to know when to bail before they become an albatross. 

[NoBowles]

4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

My father finally admitted to my mother than I had better hands than him - though he was sure to add "but I was faster"

You guys have masterbating competition in your family?

[Lupz27]

31 minutes ago, Larz said:

Yeah ya know it is making me a little uncomfortable that the 2 QBs the Jets treated like trash found homes with coaches that have a background in offense 

It could be a sign that there just aren't a lot of viable QBs out there, it could be that other teams figure that the Jets don't know what they are doing. 

All I can say is I need Darnold to have a good mini camp lol

It’s tough for Darnold to have a good mini camp when he is taking 3rd string reps botching snaps from a center who will be working at your local State Farm office come September, and throwing passes to guys who will be looking to get a few dollars playing for their local semi pro team all because the Jets are wasting their time with 39 year old Josh McCown to coach the rookie QB which should tell you all you need to know about the Todd Bowles run Jets, and their ability to coach offense, and young people players.

[GreenFish]

3 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

They BOTH HAVE/HAD the same Personal Coach: Jordan  Palmer! 

Oh S**T we are f**cked

[kmnj]

so we can shut the door in this awful pick finally -no more having to hear that we have to wait for him and mac has a plan and knows more......

the fact that a pro grm could watch film from Hackenberg  at PSU his last year and think he could be a star in the league is beyond crazy

 

 

[jetstream23]

39 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

I understand that argument.

And YES, they will spackle the #2 QB with a JAG veteran like Hoyer in 2019 (Darnold should have earned the starting spot by then), but it further pulls me to the argument, made by others, that Mac may not be the right guy (I know, I know, there's a hoard of Anti-Macs out there already vehemently against him). I'm all for tagging Bridgewater. 

The notion that Kevin Hogan, Jacoby Brisset, Cody Kessler, and Connor Cook have started or gotten NFL snaps and Hack hasn't is absurd. It's either gross negligence or something personal by Bowles (more reason to be fired) or atrocious evaluation by Mac. I tried to look at the salvage value and reasoned AT LEAST Hack would be a sufficient CHEAP #2 QB through his rookie contract. Maybe it's a HUGE WHIFF on Mac that I'm NOW starting to realize and fathom. 

Yes, it's good that Mac can cut loose a bad mistake early on. Yes the Jets' Cap space is in EXCELLENT condition. YES, there's significantly better and YOUNGER talent on the roster than 4 years ago. Yes the rebuild seems to be working. 

Yet, I have eroding trust as the 4th season of this regime passes. Some great moves are cancelled out by some really mind-boggling ones. 

 

Thank you, I needed let that out. LOL. 

 

The Christian Hackenberg Era (Error) was ugly, no doubt about it.  And I'd agree with you that it's essentially uglier for the Jets front office than it even is for Hack himself.  They did him a bit of a disservice.  But even if they handled him better, got him better coaching, gave him 2 of the starts last year instead of Petty, etc. there's still no assurance we'd want him as the #2 behind Darnold next year.  I HAVE TO believe they saw enough over 24 months to say to themselves, "he may not suffice as a #3 in 2019."  I also agree that the jury is still out big time on both Macc and Bowles.  I think Macc has done a much better job recently, even with minor, incremental upgrades at spots like ILB, Center, etc. and putting together what should be a Tier 1 Secondary.  His "Plan B" for QB seems to have paid off (although Darnold hasn't played a NFL snap yet) and I think the Jets now have an excellent mix in the QB Room.  But yeah, until his mid-round Draft picks start becoming starters and until the QB situation is truly solved (not just on paper) the jury is still out.  As for Bowles....well...that's a whole other bag of questions.  Macc's work (FA and the Draft) is essentially done for this year and we can begin to evaluate him.  For Bowles, his evaluation begins weekly in September.

[jetstream23]

1 minute ago, kmnj said:

so we can shut the door in this awful pick finally -no more having to hear that we have to wait for him and mac has a plan and knows more......

the fact that a pro grm could watch film from Hackenberg  at PSU his last year and think he could be a star in the league is beyond crazy

 

 

A team just traded FOR Hack.

Let that sink in.

[NoBowles]

Just now, jetstream23 said:

A team just traded FOR Hack.

Let that sink in.

The Jets have about as much of a chance at getting that draft pick as Trump does of getting T0mShanes vote in the next election

[kmnj]

1 minute ago, jetstream23 said:

A team just traded FOR Hack.

Let that sink in.

conditional 7th and he wont make their roster with the qbs ahead of him-I am pretty sure I could get a conditional 7 round pick for you and you probably throw better

[jetstream23]

Just now, NoBowles said:

The Jets have about as much of a chance at getting that draft pick as Trump does of getting T0mShanes vote in the next election

Well, with T0mShane there's always a 30% chance he gets confused and presses the wrong button in the voter booth.  Too used to pushing PS4 buttons while playing FortNite against 12 year olds.  

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

The Jets have about as much of a chance at getting that draft pick as Trump does of getting T0mShanes vote in the next election

In before the lock. 

[jetstream23]

2 minutes ago, kmnj said:

conditional 7th and he wont make their roster with the qbs ahead of him-I am pretty sure I could get a conditional 7 round pick for you and you probably throw better

You've never seen me throw a football.

 

I might be worse than Tannenbaum fielding punts!

[kmnj]

thank god the browns took baker and forced sam on us as he baker would have been macs next qb mistake

[kmnj]

Just now, jetstream23 said:

You've never seen me throw a football.

 

I might be worse than Tannenbaum fielding punts!

send to mac u can make some nice money-he will see in u what nobody else does

[SR24]

Honestly feel bad for the kid. Was way way way overdrafted hopefully he pans out in Oakland. Seemed like a good kid to have in the locker room but it's Darnold time

[jetstream23]

4 minutes ago, kmnj said:

send to mac u can make some nice money-he will see in u what nobody else does

lol

Yeah, he actually just called and said he could develop me over the next 24 months.  Asked me if I had any red shirts I could bring to Florham Park.  I go there tomorrow.

[RoadFan]

Hackenberg almost certainly won't make the Raiders roster.   

The only reason they got a team to give up even the potential of a draft pick for him is because there is no film on him yet in 2018.  Once Hack plays, he won't be worth a possum carcass and Macc knows it.

[joewilly12]

[RoadFan]

39 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The Jets didn't put any effort into coaching up their 2nd round pick.  As someone else said - organizational failure (starting with Todd Bowles).

Are you serious with this?

[BUM-KNEE]

25 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

You've never seen me throw a football.

 

I might be worse than Tannenbaum fielding punts!

That throw is hideous..... DAaaaaaammmmn

[TuscanyTile2]

9 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Are you serious with this?

Yes.  After his 1st year at PSU he was considered a future #1 overall pick.  He had some ability.  I don't know if he would've been successful but it feels like our CS just didn't believe in him.  I hope we don't end up regretting this move.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

[Gas2No99]

Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer 

While reporting a story last year on Jets assistant Jeremy Bates, I asked then-ESPN analyst Jon Gruden about Christian Hackenberg. It provides insight into today's trade. Gruden: "I put a lot of stock in coaching. Mike Holmgren did a lot for Brett Favre. Atlanta didn't think much of Brett Favre. A lot of QBs in this league are where they are because someone gives them a shot, someone works with them and someone coaches them. Guys just don't show up off the street, win a Punt, Pass & Kick contest and play quarterback in this league. Coaching is a huge part of it. Can this kid throw the ball like he did as a freshman at Penn State? Can he regain his confidence? I don't know, nobody knows. But if he can, they're going to develop it, that's what I do know." That didn't happen with the Jets. Now Gruden gets his shot.

[Gas2No99]

Jon Gruden has long been intrigued by Christian Hackenberg

 

 

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- At first glance, the Oakland Raiders acquiring quarterback Christian Hackenberg from the New York Jets for a conditional seventh-round pick on Tuesday seems, well, counterintuitive.

After all, the Raiders already have their franchise quarterback in Derek Carr, who signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension last summer. And they return both backups in EJ Manuel, who started a game for Oakland last year when Carr was injured with three broken bones in his back, and Connor Cook, who started the Raiders' 2016 season playoff game at Houston as a rookie when Carr broke his right ankle.

But neither Manuel nor Cook truly capture the imagination, you might say, even as Cook had more team snaps than Manuel in Tuesday's opening practice of organized team activities, and threw an impressive long touchdown pass to rookie receiver Saeed Blacknall.

Then there's this: Coach Jon Gruden was more than enamored with Hackenberg when he came out of Penn State and appeared on Gruden's QB Camp show on ESPN in 2016.

 

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Gruden's QB Camp: Comfort key to Hackenberg's success

Former Penn State QB Christian Hackenberg explains his decision to enter the NFL draft and Jon Gruden reminds him that he's not Cam Newton, but his mobility can be a great asset along with his arm strength and accuracy.

Gruden, in an ESPN Insider piece, said at the time he would be "shocked" if Hackenberg was not drafted in the first round.

"He just has to get in the right system with the right people and refocus on the small details," Gruden said at the time.

Hackenberg was selected in the second round by the Jets, No. 51 overall, 49 picks ahead of Cook.

"Hackenberg threw for 3,000 yards as an 18-year-old kid in an NFL offense that is hard to execute," Gruden said before that draft. "I do not think people are giving him enough credit for that.

"We all have seen Tom Brady point to his temples countless times at the line of scrimmage. They had the same alerts and mannerisms at Penn State. For a freshman to be given that type of autonomy at the line of scrimmage is unusual. When you see the same plays from the same formations that the Patriots are running, with the same audible mannerisms, you are like, 'Wow, this is cool.'"

Gruden was also impressed with Hackenberg's work at the greaseboard, diagramming plays.

"I was asking him to decipher two systems, one of them from multiple years ago, all while our cameras were rolling and I was pushing him," Gruden said. "It's not easy. Hackenberg was on the board talking about H2 X Deep Over with Coach [Bill] O'Brien, and then he was discussing a jet sweep play-action pass he ran for Coach James Franklin. He was able to talk pass protection, route distribution, progressions, pick-a-sides, you name it. He had great recall of every play he took at Penn State. That says a lot."

It also says a lot about why Gruden would be motivated to acquire him two years later. Even if Hackenberg has yet to play in a regular-season NFL game.

[NoBowles]

4 minutes ago, Gas2No99 said:

Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer 

While reporting a story last year on Jets assistant Jeremy Bates, I asked then-ESPN analyst Jon Gruden about Christian Hackenberg. It provides insight into today's trade. Gruden: "I put a lot of stock in coaching. Mike Holmgren did a lot for Brett Favre. Atlanta didn't think much of Brett Favre. A lot of QBs in this league are where they are because someone gives them a shot, someone works with them and someone coaches them. Guys just don't show up off the street, win a Punt, Pass & Kick contest and play quarterback in this league. Coaching is a huge part of it. Can this kid throw the ball like he did as a freshman at Penn State? Can he regain his confidence? I don't know, nobody knows. But if he can, they're going to develop it, that's what I do know." That didn't happen with the Jets. Now Gruden gets his shot.

Whaaaaaaaat????

coaching matters? Try telling that to all the Madden experts around here.

[56mehl56]

1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

Whaaaaaaaat????

coaching matters? Try telling that to all the Madden experts around here.

But Hack was given 3 PS games by Bowles - an enormity of time as we're being told by all of the QB whisperers here.

[Ken Schroy]

The only thing worse than a player that sux, is a player that sux and whines like a little bitch.