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1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said:

But Hack was given 3 PS games by Bowles - an enormity of time as we're being told by all of the QB whisperers here.

Just wait till one of the experts comes and smacks you over the head with you can eithe play or you can’t.

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3 hours ago, C Mart said:

Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero)

5/22/18, 4:40 PM

“I’ll be shocked if Hackenberg is not a first-round pick.” - Jon Gruden in ESPN Insider story, April 2016

Yea, I remember Gruden loved him.

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3 hours ago, Maxman said:

That sucks that we had to give up a 7th rounder, but this trade is something you have to do.

EDIT: Just realized the Jets could be getting a 7th rounder back. Wow.  :)

Actually the commish just reported the deal is being held up. Goddell feels the Raiders have been fleeced by the Jets and may veto the trade in interest of fair play. 

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12 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Regretting it?  Nothing to worry about there.

Enough evidence has been presented to you.

Hack was awful for 2 years at Penn State.

The long time Bears scout said, "the Jets are finding out Hackenberg can't play."

Sources inside the Jets organization said "he'll never make it," and "he couldn't hit the ocean."

Hack was terrible in his preseason action.

The Jets never let him play a regular season snap. He never got above 3rd on the depth chart.

What the hell could you possibly expect to change?!?!?

Didn't Gruden just trade for him?  

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4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Gruden’s gonna drive the Raiders so deep into the ground it’s gonna we awesome. Some team needs to offer up a few third rounders for Derek Carr just to see if he bites

But they're all gonna be drunk or high in Vegas, so will anyone notice?

Farewell, sweet prince. Stay golden, ponyboy. 

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4 hours ago, C Mart said:

Nah. Gholston at #6 was the worst. Did nothing. 

And Jets once drafted an OL in the 2nd round that they cut during his rookie training camp. 

Yes, Gholston was a bust, but he was still the chalk pick at #6 in that draft. There were 6 consensus top players with Gholston having the biggest question mark of the six. The other 5 were taken, and no one was interested in trading for the 6th pick. The Jets had to take Gholston. Yes, he was a bust, but he was still the chalk pick, so it makes him less of a bust than hack who was a reach pick in the second round who most teams considered undraftable. So, that makes Hack a bigger bust than the ghost. Biggest in jets history??? I'm not sure.  There's a pretty crowded field for that distinction.

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41 minutes ago, David Harris said:

 

Bowles is a solid citizen, old school. But he is NOT a teacher.

 

Check out this theme - Last year a feature on Jordan Jenkins talked about how he found his own pass rush coach in the off season....and he talked about how he’d NEVER actually been coached pass rush moves- like this was AFTER his rookie year....like WTF....and remember Leonard Williams saying his wind wasn’t as good as he was used to when he played at USC and that he felt he needed to do more conditioning after practice on his own because the conditioning with the Jets wasn’t preparing him well enough.

and now just a total disconnect with Hack getting almost no coaching on how to fix his inaccuracy and inconsistency.

Where is the developed talent.  Have we ever heard one player praise Bowles as a great teacher or that they’ve learned so much from him???

 

 

Head coaches don't teach technique. Kevin Greene was probably brought in because of the failure of the olb coach to teach technique. As to Williams, c'mon young man you are a pro! It is your job to get your body in top condition. If he was relying on the coaching staff for conditioning, he must've been listening to Mo.

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2 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Head coaches don't teach technique. Kevin Greene was probably brought in because of the failure of the olb coach to teach technique. As to Williams, c'mon young man you are a pro! It is your job to get your body in top condition. If he was relying on the coaching staff for conditioning, he must've been listening to Mo.

So just wondering - just what exactly does Bowles do ?

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2 hours ago, GreenFish said:

Hack blamed PSU coaches for his bad football in college. He is now blaming the Jets for his bad football in the NFL. At some point a player needs to take responsibility for his career. Getting a personal coach was a step in the direction but too little too late. Darnold went out and got that type of coaching before they were even drafted. 

Pssst.  So did Hackenberg. The same QB coach Jordan Palmer ‘16 & ‘17. 

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10 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Position coaches teach positional technique 

Per the CBA there’s very little time to coach/develop. These guys can’t even speak to their coaches once the season ends until beginning of May and even then there are major limitations. 

If people didn’t know. Today was the first time the offense could go against a defense. 

Thats why players go to specific gurus, workout academy’s etc in the offseason

posted weeks ago. Rams did a study. It takes 3 yrs worth of practice time allowed now to equal 1 yr worth of practice time pre-2011 CBA. 

Makes you wonder why the players would agree to a CBA that lessons their development. Some of these bottom of the roster guys don’t develop as quickly as the star players and they’re out of the league in a year or two.

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1 hour ago, David Harris said:

 

Bowles is a solid citizen, old school. But he is NOT a teacher.

 

Check out this theme - Last year a feature on Jordan Jenkins talked about how he found his own pass rush coach in the off season....and he talked about how he’d NEVER actually been coached pass rush moves- like this was AFTER his rookie year....like WTF....and remember Leonard Williams saying his wind wasn’t as good as he was used to when he played at USC and that he felt he needed to do more conditioning after practice on his own because the conditioning with the Jets wasn’t preparing him well enough.

and now just a total disconnect with Hack getting almost no coaching on how to fix his inaccuracy and inconsistency.

Where is the developed talent.  Have we ever heard one player praise Bowles as a great teacher or that they’ve learned so much from him???

 

 

Terrible indictment of the cs 

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Coach Todd Bowles said Hackenberg's remarks had no bearing on the trade decision.

"We had one too many (quarterbacks) to get all of them reps," Bowles said. "We just want to go with the three quarterbacks we have and let these guys battle it out."

He was referring to Josh McCownTeddy Bridgewater and rookie Sam Darnold. The Jets shopped Hackenberg during the draft after selecting Darnold with the No. 3 overall pick, a source said.

Recently, the Jets released Bryce Petty, another failed draft pick of the Mike Maccagnan regime.

Bowles offered no theories as to why it didn't work with Hackenberg.

"I can't answer that fully," he said. "For some players it takes a while to get going. Some go to Canada, some go to different teams, some do different type of stuff. We did everything we could to help him as best we could."

"I like the talent he had," Bowles said of Hackenberg. "Obviously, it didn't cultivate here. Sometimes it takes a team or two or three to find your spot. Hopefully, he does that."

LOL.

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Fun little fact, Gruden has had absolutely no success whatsoever throughout his entire coaching career with any young QBs.  The highlights of his coaching career featured getting career years out of mediocre journeymen veteran QBs.  Any of this sound at all familiar?

Sorry that I'm not quite so afraid of Gruden suddenly unveiling a hidden greatness that only he and Maccagnan actually believe exists.

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3 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Fun little fact, Gruden has had absolutely no success whatsoever throughout his entire coaching career with any young QBs.  The highlights of his coaching career featured getting career years out of mediocre journeymen veteran QBs.  Any of this sound at all familiar?

Sorry that I'm not quite so afraid of Gruden suddenly unveiling a hidden greatness that only he and Maccagnan actually believe exists.

Not even Bowles & Co. is incompetent enough to turn a legitimate player into a total incompetent mess. Hack doesn't have it and never will.

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1 minute ago, Bleedin Green said:

Fun little fact, Gruden has had absolutely no success whatsoever throughout his entire coaching career with any young QBs.  The highlights of his coaching career featured getting career years out of mediocre journeymen veteran QBs.  Any of this sound at all familiar?

Sorry that I'm not quite so afraid of Gruden suddenly unveiling a hidden greatness that only he and Maccagnan actually believe exists.

Funner Fact:

I’ve memorized ‘Spider 2 Y Banana’ as a party trick. 

#single

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27 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Yes, Gholston was a bust, but he was still the chalk pick at #6 in that draft. There were 6 consensus top players with Gholston having the biggest question mark of the six. The other 5 were taken, and no one was interested in trading for the 6th pick. The Jets had to take Gholston. Yes, he was a bust, but he was still the chalk pick, so it makes him less of a bust than hack who was a reach pick in the second round who most teams considered undraftable. So, that makes Hack a bigger bust than the ghost. Biggest in jets history??? I'm not sure.  There's a pretty crowded field for that distinction.

Not going to argue over this but how do any of us know what draft grade teams had on him. Yes, PFF had an undraftable grade. We have no idea about NFL teams

its best for him and the jets. Fair to say half the fanbase didn’t like the pick the moment it was made. After Sanchez, Geno busts and 45+ yrs of failures if he ever saw the field he’d have to be perfect for a month to have any chance to win over the fanbase.

Reading this thread it’s the most Hack love I’ve read on here in two yrs. 

its funny reading people say the Jets neglected him, Bowles can’t develop QBs after reading two yrs worth of “he sucks” on here.  

I held out hope he could of developed to at least be a 10 yr backup. But at this stage it’s best to move on for everyone.  Now Bowles and teammates don’t have to answer anymore questions about him ie  “when is he going to play, what does he need to work on, how is he in the huddle, player x....” etc

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26 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Position coaches teach positional technique 

Per the CBA there’s very little time to coach/develop. These guys can’t even speak to their coaches once the season ends until beginning of May and even then there are major limitations. 

If people didn’t know. Today was the first time the offense could go against a defense. 

Thats why players go to specific gurus, workout academy’s etc in the offseason

posted weeks ago. Rams did a study. It takes 3 yrs worth of practice time allowed now to equal 1 yr worth of practice time pre-2011 CBA. 

They need to increase practice time again

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13 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Makes you wonder why the players would agree to a CBA that lessons their development. Some of these bottom of the roster guys don’t develop as quickly as the star players and they’re out of the league in a year or two.

NFL player committee that was w/NFLPA Prez D. Smith were mainly older players Jeff Saturday for one. What did they care. They only had another yr or two to play. They wanted another paycheck. Owners weren’t budging on % of revenue so players asked for more free time, less hitting etc.  why the hell would the owners care about that. They only cared about 1,2,5 % more of the revenue. 

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