TuscanyTile2 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Interesting video. Stack up on QBs (including "currency QBs"). Safeties over CBs. RT is the new premium OL position. Draft OL and DL. Maybe the Jets have been thinking along these lines as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I don’t think a couple of seasons and a Super Bowl qualifies for a formula. Give me 5-10 years of sustained success and I’ll start believing it’s not just the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 In 5 years, they've drafted 3 offensive lineman. A 3rd, 5th and 6th rounder. Not sure I agree they spend high value resources on the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: In 5 years, they've drafted 3 offensive lineman. A 3rd, 5th and 6th rounder. Not sure I agree they spend high value resources on the OL. I'm referring more to collecting QBs (including a "currency QB" in Teddy B), and drafting safeties rather than CBs. Plus we had drafted a lot of DL (though we've also gotten rid of them!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 49 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Stack up on QBs (including "currency QBs I’ve been advocating this for years. It’s basic economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 The RT being the premium OL position is offensive scheme specific thou to a roll out move the pocket/Read Option passes/RPO’s with a RH QB you will roll to the right negating the LT from protecting the blind side, read option freezes the edge rusher, or can get him to chase RB inside when play goes away from the left side, and RPO’s are a no pass rush threat play. If you don’t run this type of offense you better not follow this plan, and consider that blind side LT as your premium OL position still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Have good qbs and be good in the trenches. Just genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Kind of a bullsh*t premise that Howie Roseman is changing anything. He hit on his highly drafted QB, without that there is no “formula”. The rest is just being a competent GM and surrounding him with talent. He traded for Bradford as a hedge against the possibility of not being able to get the 2nd pick to select Wentz. He’s done a good job, but let’s not get crazy and say he is changing or revolutionizing anything in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 So have an MVP-esque QB, get lucky with a backup QB playing beyond his talent level, and win in the trenches? Amazing plan. Lets wait for the Shegirls to repeat last season before we laminate their formula for success and post it on the GM’s guideline board. Btw, we are stacked at QB with three potential starters and just traded our currency QB. We must be SB bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Interesting video. Stack up on QBs (including "currency QBs"). Safeties over CBs. RT is the new premium OL position. Draft OL and DL. Maybe the Jets have been thinking along these lines as well. After reading (5) does that mean (1)-(4) are already antiquated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 47 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Kind of a bullsh*t premise that Howie Roseman is changing anything. He hit on his highly drafted QB, without that there is no “formula”. The rest is just being a competent GM and surrounding him with talent. He traded for Bradford as a hedge against the possibility of not being able to get the 2nd pick to select Wentz. He’s done a good job, but let’s not get crazy and say he is changing or revolutionizing anything in the NFL. Not that I disagree with your general premise, but they traded for Bradford in 2015. Chip Kelly was still coach, and while Foles had that great 2013, I don't think Kelly liked him. Wentz was coming off a great season, but I don't think that anybody was planning their 2015 season strategy around drafting a Missouri Valley Conference QB in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, sec101row23 said: Kind of a bullsh*t premise that Howie Roseman is changing anything. He hit on his highly drafted QB, without that there is no “formula”. The rest is just being a competent GM and surrounding him with talent. He traded for Bradford as a hedge against the possibility of not being able to get the 2nd pick to select Wentz. He’s done a good job, but let’s not get crazy and say he is changing or revolutionizing anything in the NFL. Completely agree. The magic formula in the NFL is to draft a franchise QB. GM's who successfully do that early on in their tenure look like geniuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Every time a new team wins the Super Bowl, it's "how did they do it?" time. They will be asking the same thing when the Jets Win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: In 5 years, they've drafted 3 offensive lineman. A 3rd, 5th and 6th rounder. Not sure I agree they spend high value resources on the OL. that's the real glaring thing this team hasn't invested in, nothing new here. but i can't help but wonder if mccags hasn't wanted to do this while he knew he didn't have a qb. we may never know. what we will see is what he does next offseason with a lot of cash and maybe a mid-1st round pick that he can hopefully turn into another 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Formula. Build the lines. This way, if you draft a QB, he doesn't get beat to crap. If your system plays a lot of zone, safeties are good, if you play a lot of man, corners are more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Interesting video. Stack up on QBs (including "currency QBs"). Safeties over CBs. RT is the new premium OL position. Draft OL and DL. Maybe the Jets have been thinking along these lines as well. I don't think that at all about RT. It's just the way things ended up for them and this is making the outcome fit the motivation. RT is still the least-premium position on the OL, with center a close second. They drafted - and extended - Johnson to be their LT of the future, but Peters has been one of the game's very best LTs for way longer than expected. They liked Vaitai enough to leave the rest of the line alone after Peters went down, opting to go with consistency along the other 4. The Giants just signed a good but not great LT, entering his 30s, for $16m per season. Nobody's spending that on a non top-10 RT until the salary cap goes up another $50m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, sec101row23 said: Kind of a bullsh*t premise that Howie Roseman is changing anything. He hit on his highly drafted QB, without that there is no “formula”. The rest is just being a competent GM and surrounding him with talent. He traded for Bradford as a hedge against the possibility of not being able to get the 2nd pick to select Wentz. He’s done a good job, but let’s not get crazy and say he is changing or revolutionizing anything in the NFL. This. I think if there is one thing that the NFL has proven over the years, there is no secret roster building formula. It's pretty ******* easy actually. First and foremost because nothing else matters, find a QB. 2nd put talent around him and protect him. 3rd, go find players who can get to the QB. It's really ******* simple and the Eagles arent the first to use this formula. It's actually exactly what a bunch of boneheads on JN have been screaming about for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: that's the real glaring thing this team hasn't invested in, nothing new here. but i can't help but wonder if mccags hasn't wanted to do this while he knew he didn't have a qb. we may never know. what we will see is what he does next offseason with a lot of cash and maybe a mid-1st round pick that he can hopefully turn into another 2nd rounder. While I'm not praising the OL at all, I think it's a misrepresentation that Maccagnan simply disregards the OL. Rather, it seems he is far more interested in addressing the line in FA as opposed to the draft. At this point RT is the only position on the line Maccagnan hasn't invested money in experienced starters over the past few years. He's signed both Clady and Beachum at LT, Carptenter at LG, re-signed Winters at RG, and this offseason brought in two experienced starters at C in Long and Swanson. It's also worth noting that all but one of them (Clady) were in their mid-20s when signed, so theoretically could be seen as long-term options. Now granted there is of course the argument of how good or bad each of these signings were (Clady was definitely a failure, and we'll see about the Cs), but my only point is that's different than ignoring it as some suggest. He just clearly has far more interest in experienced players than investing draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, JiF said: This. I think if there is one thing that the NFL has proven over the years, there is no secret roster building formula. It's pretty ******* easy actually. First and foremost because nothing else matters, find a QB. 2nd put talent around him and protect him. 3rd, go find players who can get to the QB. It's really ******* simple and the Eagles arent the first to use this formula. It's actually exactly what a bunch of boneheads on JN have been screaming about for years. While the basics of the formula are certainly true and consistent, the "experts" always try to take it far beyond that and get into further details of the supposed perfect way to build an entire roster, and the bottom line is that never holds up. After the 3 points you made, the rest of it is pretty much ever-changing of what happens to work for a team from year to year. It comes and goes with whatever scheme is all the rage at the moment, and then the players who would go into that. It's like the days when the Cover Who was all the rage, and the obsession that came with small/fast linebackers, but the bottom line on D still really did start and end with getting to the QB. Then it was the 3-4 which was looking for the opposite types of players, but still came down to the same thing. Same thing with offense popularity going from west coast to more of a spread, and the change of what type of players meant most in those particular schemes, but still living and dying with the QB. Point being other than the most important pieces that you mentioned, the rest of it is what the new "solution" to it all is, which will be different again next year if any other team wins it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Integrity28 said: I’ve been advocating this for years. It’s basic economics. To be fair, Macc has been trying to accumulate currency QBs as well, hoping to hit pay dirt with picks outside Round 1 like Petty and Hack....but they were fools gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Get a good QB and win in the trenches? It's the only way teams should have been built forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: While the basics of the formula are certainly true and consistent, the "experts" always try to take it far beyond that and get into further details of the supposed perfect way to build an entire roster, and the bottom line is that never holds up. After the 3 points you made, the rest of it is pretty much ever-changing of what happens to work for a team from year to year. It comes and goes with whatever scheme is all the rage at the moment, and then the players who would go into that. It's like the days when the Cover Who was all the rage, and the obsession that came with small/fast linebackers, but the bottom line on D still really did start and end with getting to the QB. Then it was the 3-4 which was looking for the opposite types of players, but still came down to the same thing. Same thing with offense popularity going from west coast to more of a spread, and the change of what type of players meant most in those particular schemes, but still living and dying with the QB. Point being other than the most important pieces that you mentioned, the rest of it is what the new "solution" to it all is, which will be different again next year if any other team wins it all. Well said. If they had Larry Allen or John Hannah would "Guard" be the new premium OL position? The other 4 bullets are actually quite stupid to duh. QB's are important. OL and DL too. Dont pay for this but pay for that! Oh and adapt. REVOLUTIONARY!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, chirorob said: Formula. Build the lines. This way, if you draft a QB, he doesn't get beat to crap. If your system plays a lot of zone, safeties are good, if you play a lot of man, corners are more important. Our line carried Mark Sanchez within an inch of the SB. I could have put up 1000 yards them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, SayNoToDMC said: Our line carried Mark Sanchez within an inch of the SB. I could have put up 1000 yards them Young QB. Hand the ball off, control the clock, get 2nd or 3rd and manageable. Good D to back you up. Matt Ryan came up, they got him a HOF TE Tony G) to throw to, good running back (Turner), good WR, and he developed. Carr in Oakland, build up a huge O Line. Dak in Dallas, great O Line, real good running back, real good TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 My formula for building a Super Bowl caliber squad: Franchise level QB; get a guy that can play for 20 years. A winner. He has the loosey goosey factor. Doesn't blink in big moments. He must be good at throwing spirals, reading plays and this new RPO thing, yeah he is good @ RPO. Workhouse running back that can catch and block. Plus if he is active in the community. Fullback: take a guy in the 4th round. If not, find a DLineman that just got cut and convert him. Offensive lineman that are big, strong, fast, nimble and athletic. Wide receviers; definitely need them. Some big. Some small. All fast. All strong. Need great hands. Good route runners. Excellent blockers. Insert some comment about the route tree here. Tight End; despite what Chan Gailey says you need them. Big, fast, agile, good in space, good hands, great blockers, awesome at the point of attack. Long snapper; you need one. Must be able to long snap. Place holder; worry about this during training camp. After final cuts, have an intern identify a player that seems to stand around a lot and do nothing during practice. Have the intern bring that guy to you. He will bring you the kicker. Tell him to find someone else and bring you that guy. Defensive line: You need guys that can add weight when they are showing signs of being really fast. And then lose weight when they get too strong. The key here is changing. We will be going from a 3 \ 4 to a 4 \ 3 every other year, adaptability is the # 1 attribute here. Linebackers: Really fast guys is what you need. If they never played football before, no worries. After 5 or 6 years in the pros they will learn how to cover people. For the OLB we really want someone that never did that before and you make them do that. Find a dominant defensive end, make him lose weight and cover people, that is a formula for success. Secondary: Safeties, you need 18 of them. Must be leaders. Corners are important too. Except the slot corner. He will get beat often and that is okay because our safeties will clean up the mess. Kicker; bring 3 of them into camp. One of them will pull a hammy. Let the other two compete, the one that the fans want is the one that you cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Over reaction to one teams success. There is no one formula. This has been proven time and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Trumaine Johnson got 20 mil bonus and 45 mil guaranteed. Kinda throws that don't spend money on CB out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Have good qbs and be good in the trenches. Just genius. who knew.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Lol. What the Eagles are good at is not overvaluing offensive skill positions and using 1 year deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Lol. What the Eagles are good at is not overvaluing offensive skill positions and using 1 year deals. They did just give Jeffery 4/$52M, and have Ertz at 6/$43, but they have a ton of guys on one year deals - Wallace, Sproles (mor than once) Rogers. They may be a little cautious after that crazy extension they gave Shady. Particularly at RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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