shevys Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Long article. The crux of it is we are “feeble” and ranked dead last. Sorry, I don’t see it that way. Am I crazy? I have faith the team is improved, personnel-wise. I don’t have that much faith in Bowles, but I certainly don’t see us as the worst team in the NFL next season. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23591971/2018-nfl-season-stat-record-playoffs-predictions-football-power-index-projections 15hHank Gargiulo and Seth Walder 2018 NFL projections: FPI's 1-32 ranking, odds for Super Bowl5:30 AM MT Hank Gargiulo Seth Walder Facebook MeTom Brady and Bill Belichick are back on top ... of ESPN's Football Power Index. Despite losing the Super Bowl to the Nick Foles-led Eagles and despite an offseason filled with questions about stability at the top of the organization, the Patriots remain the best team in the NFL and the favorite to win Super Bowl LIII, according to our FPI projections with 100 days to go until the regular season. But this isn't a repeat of last season, when we considered the Patriots the runaway top team in the NFL to the point that they had a coin-flip chance to reach the Super Bowl. This time around, New England may still be the best, but it is really a part of a three-team tier of the NFL's elite. The other two teams to make up the league's upper crust? The Eagles and Steelers. ESPN Analytics So what makes the FPI like the Patriots, Eagles and Steelers? You can read more about the process here, but the model considers each team's win total at the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook, how that team performed on offense, defense and special teams last season, how many starters are returning, and who the starting and backup quarterbacks are. FPI's full list of ratings and projections can always be found here. The Eagles finished last season first in total efficiency across the game's three phases, but despite that and the fact that Brady is 40 years old, New England grabbed the top spot in part due to its higher Vegas win total. It's also no surprise that the Patriots, Steelers and Eagles are also the three most likely teams to win the Super Bowl. The Patriots are still No. 1, however, and are part of five of the six most likely Super Bowl combinations. Is the NFC the new Western Conference? The FPI started making preseason projections in 2015, and since then the conference divide within the top 10 of its rankings has been fairly even (6/4 splits in 2017 and 2015 with an even 5/5 divide in 2016). The balance of power for the 2018 season looks a little more like the NBA, with the NFC playing the role of the Western Conference. The NFC owns eight of the top 10 teams and nine of the top 12 in the FPI's initial iteration. The configuration is a little different when compared to the NBA's Western Conference as there is no Warriors-like overwhelming title favorite in the NFC, but the depth at the top overall is quite similar. All four divisions in the NFC have a team that ranks within the FPI's top six, with multiple representatives from the NFC West (Rams second, 49ers 10th) and NFC North (Vikings fifth, Packers seventh) inside the top 10. The AFC does boast two of FPI's top three teams in New England and Pittsburgh, but you have to go down all the way to No. 14 to get a representative from the other two divisions (Los Angeles Chargers at 11 and Jacksonville Jaguars at 14). The AFC also holds the dubious distinction of being home to four of the five teams at the bottom of the rankings, including each of the bottom three. This results in a wide-open race for the Super Bowl in the NFC, where five teams are all given a 10 percent chance or better at making the Super Bowl, compared to just two in the AFC. Who will make the jump to the postseason? Every year since the 12-team playoff format started in 1990, at least four teams have reached the postseason that failed to do so the year before. If that pattern were to hold true in 2018, the most likely teams to ascend to the playoffs are the Packers, Chargers, Texans and 49ers. It's easy to determine what the model sees in those four teams. The Packers' level of play dropped off when they were forced to put Brett Hundley under center, but with Aaron Rodgers back to normal health, they are a prime candidate to return to the postseason. Los Angeles was frankly good enough to get in last year -- FPI actually considered the Chargers the fourth-best team in the league by the end of the season -- but likely just fell on the wrong side of some random variance. The Texans received extraordinary play from Deshaun Watson when healthy (Total QBR of 81.3), and with the model assuming normal health for the former Clemson QB, Houston has a 30 percent chance to win the AFC South. And quite clearly, the 49ers are a different team after acquiring Jimmy Garoppolo midway through last season. • Though the Jets have the worst FPI rating in the league, it's the Cardinals that actually are the longest shot to reach the postseason. The Jets have the benefit of playing in the same division as two other weak teams: the Dolphins and Bills. The Browns also are expected to be a worse team than Arizona but have an easier schedule. All three teams have a fair amount of uncertainty at quarterback, with a first-round rookie currently slated as the backup in the model. • The Packers rank seventh in the FPI overall, but actually have the second-best chance (19 percent) to land the No. 1 seed in the stacked NFC, behind only the Eagles (23 percent). That's because Green Bay is the beneficiary of the eighth-easiest schedule in the league. Green Bay (41 percent) narrowly is the favorite to win the NFC North over the Vikings (40 percent). • Aside from the Packers, there is only one other team favored by the FPI to win its division that didn't win it last year: the Chargers (37 percent), who edge out the Chiefs (33 percent). The Rams' restocked defense In addition to rating and ranking teams, the FPI also evaluates all three phases of the game for each team. After finishing last season as the FPI's top defense, it's no surprise to see the Vikings as the No. 1 defense heading into the 2018 season. The big surprise comes at No. 2, where the Rams make the jump after finishing last season as the 11th-ranked defensive unit (and the eighth-most efficient). It's a good example of the way in which FPI works: Though the model doesn't explicitly consider the substantial acquisitions of non-quarterbacks such as Aqib Talib, Ndamukong Suh, Marcus Peters and Brandin Cooks (and the departure of players like Trumaine Johnson), those changes are in some way reflected in the team's Vegas win total. If the betting market believes a team improved over the offseason, the increase in rating is distributed to each side of the ball based on what it already knows about that team's strengths and weaknesses. Because the FPI remains somewhat skeptical of Jared Goff -- the former Cal quarterback improved after a disastrous rookie campaign but still finished only 16th in Total QBR last year -- it makes the assumption that more of the improvement is coming on the defensive side of the ball. Other notable takeaways from individual unit strengths: • The FPI is not buying the Saints' defensive resurgence, as the model has pegged New Orleans as having the worst defense in the NFL, though it remains a top contender because it has the best offense. All last season, the model thought the praise being heaped on the New Orleans defense was a bit overstated, though it is somewhat surprising to see the defense ranked this low. • Last year the FPI anticipated the Broncos' decline. Now, it still believes that the Broncos' defense is excellent (No. 3 overall), but it's not buying the addition of Case Keenum as a major improvement to their offense. Because Keenum is a quarterback, he is specifically factored into the Broncos' rating, but nonetheless the model sees Denver as having the worst offense in the NFL. Though Keenum finished second in Total QBR last season with a 69.7, the FPI looks at his entire body of work throughout his career, which is much more mediocre (career QBR of 52.0). In addition, the model is slightly less confident in quarterbacks like Keenum, Kirk Cousins and Alex Smith this year because they switched teams in the offseason. Texans, Bucs on opposite strength of schedule poles Basic strength of schedule formulas based on wins and losses from the previous season really don't do the statistic justice. The very idea of strength of schedule is exactly the reason why we ought to know that opponents' records aren't a good measure of their strength -- who knows how good the teams were that the opponents played, and so on, and so on ... Fortunately, the FPI is here to help. And there can be some large discrepancies. For example: The Packers have the toughest strength of schedule in the traditional calculation. But their schedule is ranked only 25th in difficulty according to the FPI because they play teams like the Bills (nine wins last year) and the Cardinals (eight), whom we expect to be much worse than their win totals a season ago. • It's interesting to note that the Giants, who are coming off a 3-13 campaign but are sticking with Eli Manning and trying to win now, face the fourth-toughest schedule in the league. • The Patriots have the second-easiest schedule, thanks in part to playing in a division with three other teams that all rank 27th or worse in the FPI. Browns on the clock, again? New quarterbacks, same results? After a winless 2017 campaign, the FPI has labeled the Browns as the most likely team to earn the No. 1 pick in the 2019 draft, though frankly, a lot of the factors involved in that prediction can change substantially. Despite having Tyrod Taylor -- whom the model likes -- as their likely starter to begin the season, the Browns have a 14 percent chance to earn the top pick in the 2019 draft. For Browns fans looking for some hope, there's this: The FPI currently considers Baker Mayfield the backup and treats all rookie quarterbacks the same. That's because there's quite a bit of uncertainty about quarterbacks who have never taken a snap in the NFL, but it also means that if Mayfield plays and plays effectively, that projection can change in a hurry. Of course, there's no guarantee that will happen. The Jets are in a similar situation, with Josh McCown labeled as the starter and Sam Darnold set as the backup. In the FPI's opinion, the Jets would be best off with Teddy Bridgewater starting under center, though it doesn't explicitly consider Bridgewater's injury. Is it lights out for teams that lose top QBs? At one point this offseason, a Tom Brady retirement seemed at least plausible. Had Brady actually hung it up, would the Patriots have been the Super Bowl favorites that they are today? Would they still win the AFC East? With the help of the FPI, the answer to those questions: no and maybe, respectively. We ran the model in a world where Brady called it quits, and not only were the Patriots no longer the best team in football ... but they fell all the way 18th. In the scenario, New England still had a 55 percent chance to win its division -- it helps to have just about the most feeble competition possible -- but only a 3 percent shot to win the Super Bowl (down from 18 percent in actuality). And that got us thinking, with FPI able to move quarterbacks around, what other alternative realities could we imagine? For example, staying in the AFC East ... what if the Jets had won the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes? They'd be better, that's for sure. But according to the FPI: still bad. Don't get us wrong: The FPI thinks Cousins is a good deal better than McCown or Darnold, but the quarterback is only one piece of the puzzle. Even with Cousins wearing green and white, the Jets would still be the 30th-ranked team and would have only a 16 percent chance to reach the playoffs (up from 10 percent). What if we know Carson Wentz is healthy to start the season? Or in Week 5? Or Week 10? We'll sum it up like this: The difference in the Eagles' chances to win, in the model's mind, between Wentz and Nick Foles is generally about 4 percentage points per game. After all, we've seen that Foles is a capable fill-in. In Week 1, we give Philadelphia a 65 percent chance to beat Atlanta with Wentz under center and a 61 percent with Foles. But all those percentage points do add up: We would project over 10 wins with 16 games of Wentz, but 9.4 if all 16 are with Foles. The gap between backup and starter isn't always so small. For example ... How much better are the Colts with Andrew Luck than without him? Quite a bit. The difference between him and Jacoby Brissett hovers around 11 percentage points per game. The Colts are about a seven-win team with Luck and just better than a five-win team with Brissett, so there's a real difference there. Luck is held in high esteem by the FPI, but, similar to the aforementioned Jets scenario, he isn't the only part of the equation. In order for the Colts to be playoff contenders, they'll need more than just Luck's health to break in their favor. Predicting the games of the year A season ago the Patriots and Steelers squared off in what many presumed would be a precursor to a playoff showdown between the two teams. It never happened. But we will get another game between New England and Pittsburgh -- in Week 15, no less -- this season. And according to our pregame matchup quality metric, which considers the quality of the two teams in the contest, that is the best game of the year. But in terms of playoff chances, Patriots-Steelers is not actually the most important game of the year. For that, we can look at leverage -- the percentage chance to reach the playoffs each team can gain or lose depending on the result. And if we look at that, we get a whole different set of games with high stakes to look forward to in the upcoming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Nah I think there are about 3-4 teams worse than us on paper. With that said we’ll yet again outplay expectations and be middle of the pack. 7-9 .. 8-8 .. like that. at least that’s the most plausible outcome to me. Teddy in pre-injury form should do great against the #29th schedule and I’m sure McCown could do well against that schedule as well. Maybe Darnold comes in and makes more plays than both Teddy or Josh would.??♂️ Its up in the air but I don’t think we are feeble just because we don’t have a lot of recognizable names on our team. We have guys working to get recognizable names. These boys are hungry and they are a lot better than they look on paper. I know that those are bold words to say before training camp but we added to the team in a lot of ways from last year...and last year encouraged me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Bowles is still the head coach so Top 10 pick is still in play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 There will definitely be some worst teams but I can definitely see the argument that the Jets are the worst. Think about the team that drafted ahead of us. The Browns have more talent IMO- a good amount more talent. Giants are better. Colts have Luck back so better. Texans have Watson and watt back so better. Denver has a decent QB and a good defense. Tampa has a down year and they could suck. Bears may be worse but they had a great off season. So yeah jets are a bottom 10 team for sure- and maybe the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Jets have the lowest level of talent in the league. We still have zero offensive weapons that scare anyone. Our OL is a joke. Our defense can't create pressure on the QB and our secondary is soft in the middle. The one strength of the team (DL) has now suffered massive attrition. But hope is high in regards to QB. If we solve that, the rest will slowly fall into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 They stated that they graded all rookie QB’s equally. I don’t necessarily think that Darnold will be the best QB as a rookie but I think he was the best prospect in the draft and is most likely to have a successful career. Don’t care much about FPI’s or what the Jets record is in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony MaC Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 We're the worst until we're not, just like last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 On the one hand we beat 3 playoff teams and on the other hand we finished the season 1-6. If McCown stayed healthy last season we would have gone 6-10. This season if Bridgewater or Darnold play competently we could go 8-8 but only if we open 3-0 which makes the Lions game a must-win. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 hours ago, jgb said: Jets have the lowest level of talent in the league. We still have zero offensive weapons that scare anyone. Our OL is a joke. Our defense can't create pressure on the QB and our secondary is soft in the middle. The one strength of the team (DL) has now suffered massive attrition. But hope is high in regards to QB. If we solve that, the rest will slowly fall into place. Easily the dumbest statement of the day in bold. If you think Robby doesn't scare defensive coordinators, CBs, and, safeties... you simply don't understand the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 So based on last year's nerd stats Jets are bad, eagles and cheaters are good What a revelation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 hours ago, jgb said: Jets have the lowest level of talent in the league. We still have zero offensive weapons that scare anyone. Our OL is a joke. Our defense can't create pressure on the QB and our secondary is soft in the middle. The one strength of the team (DL) has now suffered massive attrition. But hope is high in regards to QB. If we solve that, the rest will slowly fall into place. Secondary soft in the middle? OL is average, not a joke. Defensive speed has increased. Corners are much better. Crowell is a real improvement over Forte. And we actually have QB's, which do count on offense, or so I'm told. Anderson, Enunwa, Kearse, possibly Pryor, Hansen stepping up... our WR core is actually decent. This is a middle of the road team. Teams are built around coordination of play and discipline, not names on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Easily the dumbest statement of the day in bold. If you think Robby doesn't scare defensive coordinators, CBs, and, safeties... you simply don't understand the sport. Nothing like a conclusory statement to refute an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I keep saying it, IF the Jets can muster a win in the opener in Detroit they'll go 5-1 or 4-2 at worst. While the Jets are a middling NFL team, so is 90% of this league. Parity exists in this league. The offense will be a tick better by replacing Wesley Johnson, Forte, adding Pryor, Hansen in his 2nd season, a healthy Winters, and competent QBs if McCown gets hurt again. The combination of the decimation of the Oline & Pettys horrific play gave them no chance. Bridgewater is a legit QB compared to Bryce Petty. Also the defense will be better. The CBs are better, the safeties have a year under their belt, we added more youth & speed with Williamson, Minter is a decent veteran, McClendon can hold the fort while Nathan & Foley, get worked in & those beasts will help Leo out. Anything we get from the edge will help them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said: Secondary soft in the middle? OL is average, not a joke. Defensive speed has increased. Corners are much better. Crowell is a real improvement over Forte. And we actually have QB's, which do count on offense, or so I'm told. Anderson, Enunwa, Kearse, possibly Pryor, Hansen stepping up... our WR core is actually decent. This is a middle of the road team. Teams are built around coordination of play and discipline, not names on paper. 1. I should say secondary at its weakest on the outsides. 2. Crowell is an upgrade. I doubt a massive one, though. 3. Before claiming the QB position a strength, let's see them play. Darnold has never taken a snap and Bridgewater has had a 2 year layoff. 4. Average would be in the 12-20 range imho. Jets rated #30 by PFF. Quote 30. NEW YORK JETS Total pressures surrendered: 177 Best player: Kelvin Beachum Combinations used: 11 The Jets are this low on the list despite the fact that they remained relatively healthy throughout the season and had only five offensive linemen play more than 400 snaps. However, each of them allowed at least two sacks and all graded poorly in run-blocking as well. As a result, the Jets’ offensive line allowed a total of 25 sacks, which was tied for the sixth-most in the NFL. Interestingly however, they were among the better teams running the outside zone concept as their backs averaged 2.07 yards before contact on these runs, the third-most in the league. 5. Anderson, Enunwa, Kearse... I'm sorry just don't see those guys as a real threat. Let's apply the "Miami Dolphin Test." If this was the Dolphin's receiving core, would you be worried going into the game? Be honest. Anderson's upside is poor-man's Martavius Bryant (on and off field). Enunwa is a total question mark. I'm happy to have Kearse but he's an average athlete and has only broken 800 yards once (810 last year) and never had more than 5 TDs despite playing with an all-pro QB. He's been in the league six seasons. He "excelled" last year because Jets had to stuff him with targets due to lack of options (first year >100 targets for him). 6. I'm glad you bring up play and discipline making up a good team, I agree. Too bad Todd Bowles is still the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Basically 50/50 chance we get a shot at next years premier edge rusher? Not too shabby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, jgb said: Nothing like a conclusory statement to refute an opinion. Watching Robby play is the evidence that he scares the sh*t out of defensive personnel. And you not recognizing how good he is, is the evidence that your opinion is stupid. Happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Imagine a world wherein this is your offensive line: OLT: Top ten tackle; high-dollar free agent LG: Sixth overall pick C- High second rounder RG: Expensive free agent ORT: Decent free agent You’d expect the offense to be pretty good with that OL, yes? Because that’s what the Jets have invested in the secondary. If the Jets finish worse than 7-9 with that amount of resources given to a career DB coach, one or both of the HC and GM have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, RoadFan said: Watching Robby play is the evidence that he scares the sh*t out of defensive personnel. And you not recognizing how good he is, is the evidence that your opinion is stupid. Happy? The only people Robby Anderson scares are cops with hot wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Imagine a world wherein this is your offensive line: OLT: Top ten tackle; high-dollar free agent LG: Sixth overall pick C- High second rounder RG: Expensive free agent ORT: Decent free agent You’d expect the offense to be pretty good with that OL, yes? Because that’s what the Jets have invested in the secondary. If the Jets finish worse than 7-9 with that amount of resources given to a career DB coach, one or both of the HC and GM have to go. With Revis and Cromartie thrown in, thinking about how much money and a resources were invested in a secondary that at no time has been even “good” is pretty disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I don’t think we are the worse. The colts come to mind when I think of the team with the least talent. But the Jets are a bottom 10 team talent wise. I see us as a 7 win team this year. As long we see progress from our young players especially Darnold, we will be in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Imagine a world wherein this is your offensive line: OLT: Top ten tackle; high-dollar free agent LG: Sixth overall pick C- High second rounder RG: Expensive free agent ORT: Decent free agent You’d expect the offense to be pretty good with that OL, yes? Because that’s what the Jets have invested in the secondary. If the Jets finish worse than 7-9 with that amount of resources given to a career DB coach, one or both of the HC and GM have to go. Do left guards even have twitter accounts wiseguy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Imagine a world wherein this is your offensive line: OLT: Top ten tackle; high-dollar free agent LG: Sixth overall pick C- High second rounder RG: Expensive free agent ORT: Decent free agent You’d expect the offense to be pretty good with that OL, yes? Because that’s what the Jets have invested in the secondary. If the Jets finish worse than 7-9 with that amount of resources given to a career DB coach, one or both of the HC and GM have to go. This ranks Jets' defense 31st despite all the picks, the safeties, the supposed DC HC. Now can be fairly said being on the field all day because the offense is from hunger doesn't help. But that's also because the HC thinks passing offense is evil, so....Shows the folly of pretending much matters defensively expect a decent pass rush, something the Jets don't have, not in personnel nor in scheme. They could address this with some wrinkles, But Bowles' braindead idea to address that is to...line up Williams in the same spot every down. Without a pass rush, QBs can take their time and wait for the play to break down, rendering what ever the safeties and corners negligible as the play extends. Inevitably once Darnold gets his sea legs by the 2nd half of the season, Bowles is going to be in a very shaky job situation. He offers nothing of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I can’t get a read on the Jets. They seem to be playing better than expected which would lead you to believe coaching has been good. Anyone that watches the Jets knows that Todd Bowles is not good. The reason we did better than expected last year was because of the offense and having solid/competent QB play. No one expected McCown to play that well AND stay healthy for as long as he did. I’m trying to be optimistic and like that we cut dead weight and built a young core but too much of our “success” last year was due to a fluke situation. Our only strengths going into last year (defense/running backs), underperformed. That’s what concerns me. If it weren’t for our QB depth this year, I think that we could be a terrible team without solid QB play and have false hopes. I really hope our coaching on defense gets better because we have potential but are nowhere near as good as our record was last year without QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, jgb said: The only people Robby Anderson scares are cops with hot wives. I like Anderson, but I think a lot of those bombs he was catching had more to do with defenses having zero respect for McCown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 It depends on Bridges. If he plays to his ability he could be the third best QB in Jets history and easily get them 8 plus wins. If he’s not ready or has a bad year the team could have 3 wins. It also depends on how the oline comes together. One injury and that line is going to be bottom 5 and the QB and RBs are going to get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, New York Mick said: It depends on Bridges. If he plays to his ability he could be the third best QB in Jets history and easily get them 8 plus wins. If he’s not ready or has a bad year the team could have 3 wins. It also depends on how the oline comes together. One injury and that line is going to be bottom 5 and the QB and RBs are going to get killed. That’s what happens when you start with projects and back ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Fantasy Island said: Bowles is still the head coach so Top 10 pick is still in play I know, he’s had so much talent to work with he should have won a couple of Super Bowls by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Crusher said: That’s what happens when you start with projects and back ups. And draft/FA 97 DL when your Oline is Swiss cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 The great narrative is that the talking heads like maccagnan, love bowles and still thunk the team is lousy. An injury or two and this team could easily be bottom 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 is this going to be the narrative again this year - such that a 6 win season gets an extension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Jets are at the bottom until they prove otherwise. And they'll especially be ranked there ahead of the season since there's basically no names across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Personally I think we're closer to middle of the pack than dead last. I love the "over" on us for wins this year... Still a long way to go though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: The great narrative is that the talking heads like maccagnan, love bowles and still thunk the team is lousy. An injury or two and this team could easily be bottom 5. Has Todd Bowles become our Isaiah Thomas? A guy who is clearly (to fans) not up to the challenge of the job he is in, but still inexplicably supported by ownership. To be fair to Todd, he's not a douche like IT was, but how he is avoiding even rumors of being in the hot seat seems to defy logic and gravity. At this point, all of the malcontents that we know of are gone. If team chemistry is anything less than pristine this year, I don't see how you can dodge pointing the finger squarely at Bowles. For now, he seems like he's wearing Teflon but let's see how the first few weeks go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: Has Todd Bowles become our Isaiah Thomas? A guy who is clearly (to fans) not up to the challenge of the job he is in, but still inexplicably supported by ownership. To be fair to Todd, he's not a douche like IT was, but how he is avoiding even rumors of being in the hot seat seems to defy logic and gravity. At this point, all of the malcontents that we know of are gone. If team chemistry is anything less than pristine this year, I don't see how you can dodge pointing the finger squarely at Bowles. For now, he seems like he's wearing Teflon but let's see how the first few weeks go. I mean Isiah had a significantly longer and significantly worse tenure where he was both coach and GM -- there was no question he was 100% to blame for everything. Bowles has been uninspiring but I don't think you can compare him to the worst management in NY sports history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Quote Are we really the worst team in the league? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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