Does anyone else think McGuire isn't going to be good?

[Maxman]

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

[Creepy Lurker]

Besides the jaguars game, he looked very pedestrian. I’m hopeful that it’s partly due to the crap O-line anchored by  zero-push Wesley Johnson.

[Gas2No99]

16 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

Well what is it that you are expecting?

he's not a workhorse RB that you pound into defensive fronts to wear them out. He's a reception back that may occasionally break out for long runs. 

If you watch his college tape, he's a slithery back who will contribute more to the team as a reciever out of the backfield than as a 3 down back. That's why he lasted until the 6th round. 

He's a poor mans Bryan Westbrook, Deuce Staley, Willie Parker. Good speed and hips, but A "receptions" RB who is  really ideal for 3rd downs and the occasional change of pace In run tempo - i.e., Bilal Powell's heir in a WCO at a 6th round price tag 

[Tony MaC]

Seeing as how he was a 6th rounder I was content with his numbers in relief of Powell and Forte last year. I wanted to see 500 yards of total offense, that's what he put up. 

In an ideal world he steps up with at least 150% of that production this year and can be trusted as an heir of sorts to the aging Bilal Powell on a budget price (not that a 30 year old RB would be that expensive) As is I wouldn't be shocked if they cut their losses with BP and gave McGuire the shot anyway, just because he's got more upside.

All in all I doubt he becomes a pro bowler or anything but I can reasonably see him contributing to the offense for the duration of his rookie contract, subbing in for Powell, Crowell or whoever else the Jets acquire. He's a supplemental guy, no more no less. 

 

[BigO]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

Yes Max you are wrong. I give him one more year. He’s history after this year.

[jgb]

JAG. But that's okay, every team is about half JAGs.

[Jetsplayer21]

I don’t think OL is going to make him look great either. For a team that has a coach that wants to “ ground it and pound it “ we certainly don’t have any intimidating pieces to it. It could be a tough yr for the O. I see our wins coming with final score of 9-7.

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

He is better than Devin Smith.

[sourceworx]

5 hours ago, Maxman said:

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

You could be right. However keep in mind that Bilal Powell didn't look like a capable running back until his third season. Hell, he looked like crap in his rookie year. But he got better every season.

See what McGuire does this year. If he doesn't improve then he probably is what he is, which isn't very much.

[T0mShane]

He ran a 4.53/40 with a 7.26 three cone at 215 lbs, which are fullback numbers. 

[Philc1]

Forte’s YPC was 3.7.  Powell’s was 4.3 which is better but not great but yes McGuire is probably just another mediocre to bad draft pick by Macagnan 

[Jetster]

Eli was hit in the backfield more than any other back on the team. Probably why Dennison was brought in because we obviously were tipping off the defense on running plays. He can't power through tackles, he's a 3rd down back in a Leon Washington way where he needs a crease & once through moves like a returner. Jets Oline was ranked in the bottom 5 for a reason & once McCown got hurt EVERYONE knew the Jets were running on 1st & 2nd down. You can't judge a RB unless you have a legitimate QB and Oline. 

Just look at Hunt in KC. Started the season ON FIRE when Smith was lighting it up & tailed off tremendously in the 2nd half of the season. A lot of factors add up to a RBs success.

[The Crusher]

8 hours ago, Maxman said:

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

I would have liked to have taken Chris Warren III with that pick but Im pretty sure that’s just me. 

[CanadaSteve]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Forte’s YPC was 3.7.  Powell’s was 4.3 which is better but not great but yes McGuire is probably just another mediocre to bad draft pick by Macagnan 

So, a guy who isn't a Pro-bowler drafted in the sixth round is a mediocre to bad draft pick? 

Just to be clear, every pick does not have to go to the Hall of Fame to be good.  The guy is what he is; a substitute RB who can catch out of the back field.  Actually, a pretty good find for the 6th round.

[freestater]

7 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I would have liked to have taken Chris Warren III with that pick but Im pretty sure that’s just me. 

There's another guy who'd have been happy with that pick too! Now we gotta worry about him kicking our ass in a raiders jersey...

[Thai Jet]

I haven't been overly impressed thus far and I don't think he's the long term answer. After all he WAS a 6th round pick so I think he's OK judging where he was picked.

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Forte’s YPC was 3.7.  Powell’s was 4.3 which is better but not great but yes McGuire is probably just another mediocre to bad draft pick by Macagnan 

Canada Steve beat me to it. Not every pick is going to go to the Pro Bowl. Macc got a good value for a 6th rounder.

[Sarge4Tide]

Hopefully the new running game system will be more to his style 

[Thai Jet]

10 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Hopefully the new running game system will be more to his style 

I think with Powell still on the roster and Crowell added in FA his touches will be limited.

[JetFaninMI]

7 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

He is better than Devin Smith.

Which ain't sayin' much.

[JetFaninMI]

I don't think he will but who knows? Sometimes these guys workout and sometimes they don't. Maybe him being gone is a sign the talent level at RB is one the rise? One can hope.

[JetsFanatic]

9 hours ago, Maxman said:

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

Jury still out. He does seem quick off the ball on a handoff, but I agree his yards per carry was a bit low.

[BurnleyJet]

He's a 3rd down receiving back. - An occasional change of pace guy. I think the real guy is Trenton Cannon,  he's change of pace guy, in the Leon Washington mold.

 

 

[Greenseed4]

I like McGuire. I think he has a little Curtis Martin wiggle in his game. Let’s see what he can do behind a better OL before handing him a pink slip. 

 

[Stark]

9 hours ago, Maxman said:

Eli McGuire had a 3.6 yard rushing average last year. And I think that is who he is. I know some people think he could be the long term answer, I don't see it.

I don't think he is on the team in two years.

Am I wrong?

I feel the same way, jag"esque" not really impressed with him. 

I think you are right... we will probably get crushed for it

[JoJoTownsell1]

I'm not a big Mcguire fan. Seems more of a straight ahead speed guy and not a guy that can find holes. But that is what you get in the 6th round. How many of the top 15 RBs in the league were found in the 6th round? With a guy like Mcguire, you are just hoping he can provide some depth. Similarly, with Cannon, he ends being a legit returner or a 3rd down specialist. 

I'd be complaining about our failure to address the RB situation in the draft if we hadn't stolen Crowell (who is only 25) for cheap. 

[MDL_JET]

He's not a 'long term answer' but he can be Powells replacement.

[Jetster]

14 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

I like McGuire. I think he has a little Curtis Martin wiggle in his game. Let’s see what he can do behind a better OL before handing him a pink slip. 

 

Just needs a crease, great value at 6th round. Powell will be gone B4 McGuire.

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said:

So, a guy who isn't a Pro-bowler drafted in the sixth round is a mediocre to bad draft pick? 

Just to be clear, every pick does not have to go to the Hall of Fame to be good.  The guy is what he is; a substitute RB who can catch out of the back field.  Actually, a pretty good find for the 6th round.

This line of thinking does not analyze how you build a team.  You don't say - okay he sucks, but he was a 6th, what do you expect?  He either helps the team or he doesn't.  There were a bunch of guys on here acting like he was some sure fire weapon of the future.  The jury is still out.  He averaged 3.6 last year, but even that was rounding up.  He also had a 69 yard TD.  Huge play, but take away that run and he averaged 2.8 on his other carries, and he got worse as the year wore on.

The thing I don't like is that they seemed to have guys that were similar.  I would have liked a complimentary back.  McGuire seems to be a decent receiver out of the backfield, but Forte is one of the best ever and they also push Powell for that role.  I want more complimentary players and less overlap.  We will see what Cannon adds.  McGuire is a meh athlete that was Shrine Game MVP.

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

Eli was hit in the backfield more than any other back on the team. Probably why Dennison was brought in because we obviously were tipping off the defense on running plays. He can't power through tackles, he's a 3rd down back in a Leon Washington way where he needs a crease & once through moves like a returner. Jets Oline was ranked in the bottom 5 for a reason & once McCown got hurt EVERYONE knew the Jets were running on 1st & 2nd down. You can't judge a RB unless you have a legitimate QB and Oline. 

Just look at Hunt in KC. Started the season ON FIRE when Smith was lighting it up & tailed off tremendously in the 2nd half of the season. A lot of factors add up to a RBs success.

Leon Washington was fast.

[#27TheDominator]

13 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Leon Washington was fast.

and Kareem Hunt had 397 yards over the last four games and the last one they rested the starters and he only had one carry. 

[BCJet]

Seems like the critique of a 6th Round RB from a small school is a bit nitpicky.

The zone scheme changes everything.  If McGuire can use his speed and elusiveness and understand how to be a "1-cut" RB then he will be a great fit for the zone scheme we are running.  If he cant, he will be easily replaced with Cannon or some other RB.

As an aside Arian Foster had 60 yards rushing as a rookie - Texans are probably happy they let him get into his second year before cutting him

[Beerfish]

As long as your late round rb does not put the ball on the ground and gives great effort he is going to be  fine to good.  Lots of pedestrian looking rbs have had success in this league.

The jets to this point really don't care about young weapon rbs though.  They sign vets from other teams and seem to think that is the way to go.

[CanadaSteve]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

This line of thinking does not analyze how you build a team.  You don't say - okay he sucks, but he was a 6th, what do you expect?  He either helps the team or he doesn't.  There were a bunch of guys on here acting like he was some sure fire weapon of the future.  The jury is still out.  He averaged 3.6 last year, but even that was rounding up.  He also had a 69 yard TD.  Huge play, but take away that run and he averaged 2.8 on his other carries, and he got worse as the year wore on.

The thing I don't like is that they seemed to have guys that were similar.  I would have liked a complimentary back.  McGuire seems to be a decent receiver out of the backfield, but Forte is one of the best ever and they also push Powell for that role.  I want more complimentary players and less overlap.  We will see what Cannon adds.  McGuire is a meh athlete that was Shrine Game MVP.

The idea is he is a 6th round pick.  Some of you guys make it sound like every pick needs to be a perennial pro-bowler, or its just another wasted pick by a bad G.M.

This is just not the case.  You can't have 53 all-stars on the team.  It was the kids first year.  Change of pass back that could catch out of the backfield.  If you get a couple of years out of a 6th rounder until you upgrade, great.  But lets not think he needs to be Walter Payton to contribute a little bit.

[dbatesman]

2 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said:

You can't have 53 all-stars on the team. 

No, but we'd happily settle for three or four.