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3 hours ago, Barkus said:

Surprised the texans weren't the first team he would visit. Considering the Bill O' Brien connection and Watson's injury.

Bill already knows he is a loser, no need for a visit. 

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2 hours ago, C Mart said:

Raiders' Jon Gruden blames NFL for QB Christian Hackenberg's struggles

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Christian Hackenberg's release from the Oakland Raidersjust three weeks after the team acquired him was more an indictment of the NFL system than it was of the third-year quarterback, coach Jon Gruden said Thursday.

"Everybody is an expert out there on Hackenberg and thinks he can't play," Gruden said as the Raiders wrapped up a three-day mandatory minicamp. "It's unfortunate, this whole collective [bargaining agreement]. How do you develop a quarterback? I don't know how you do it."

Raiders coach Jon Gruden would like the NFL to allow teams more time to develop young quarterbacks. Kirby Lee/USA TODAY Sports

The 2011 labor agreement brought reductions to the frequency and intensity of offseason practices. Gruden, five months into his second stint as the Raiders' head coach after nine seasons away from coaching, has been a frequent critic of the work restrictions.

"[Hackenberg] has been working on changing his stroke, his passing motion, and I think he did that," Gruden said. "We just didn't have enough reps to take a good look at him. Since we were further along the road with some of our other guys, we didn't have the space."

The Raiders had acquired Hackenberg from the New York Jets last month for a conditional 2019 seventh-round draft choice. They released him to help make room on the roster for newly signed defensive linemen Frostee Rucker and Ahtyba Rubin. They needed help on their defensive line more than they needed -- or could use -- a fourth quarterback behind Derek Carr, Connor Cook and E.J. Manuel.

"It is hard enough to get Connor Cook enough reps, let alone a fourth guy," Gruden said. "It really depresses me how we can't spend more time with these young quarterbacks, and it is really going to be an impactful situation on the NFL in the future."

Hackenberg, a 2016 second-round choice of the Jets who has yet to attempt a pass in a regular-season game. was in Foxboro on Thursday visiting with the New England Patriots, league sources told ESPN's Field Yates.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23794117/oakland-raiders-coach-jon-gruden-blames-nfl-qb-christian-hackenberg-struggles

Gruden's right, the league lacks QB's but they don't give enough time to teams

to develop them

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3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

All to beat the Jets 2 times a year?  They been doing a fine job without signing anyone. 

They sign ex-fins, bills, and Jets scrubs all of the time, sometimes right before the game, this is not new or news, cheap intel and I would not underestimate the hate that man has for this team...

hack was a bad QB in the BIG10, not sure how anyone thinks he can improve in the NFL, terrible draft pick

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49 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

They sign ex-fins, bills, and Jets scrubs all of the time, sometimes right before the game, this is not new or news, cheap intel and I would not underestimate the hate that man has for this team...

hack was a bad QB in the BIG10, not sure how anyone thinks he can improve in the NFL, terrible draft pick

Maybe with the right coaches and TB tutoring him you never know a better chance than being here where we havent had a good track record with QB's. 

Sam Darnold was a phenom before he was drafted here so he saves us. 

I have no ill will towards any professional athlete especially young kids. 

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2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I called it before you called it.  I think in the same thread.  In fact, I think I called it months ago as well.

5/22/2018

 

12/17/2017

 

Ok fair enough great minds think alike. 

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1 hour ago, KRL said:

Gruden's right, the league lacks QB's but they don't give enough time to teams

to develop them

Agree, that last CBA really hurt the game and the NFL's ability to develop players, they need practice repetition to improve, I know they wanted to reduce injuries in camp but the lack of conditioning is causing just as many injuries -  the vets hated the pre-season and voted much of it out, maybe increase the practice squad and let them practice more often

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2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Maybe with the right coaches and TB tutoring him you never know a better chance than being here where we havent had a good track record with QB's. 

Sam Darnold was a phenom before he was drafted here so he saves us. 

I have no ill will towards any professional athlete especially young kids. 

Why, because Hacks taps his helmet the same way Brady does during the snap that he is on par with Brady?

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6 hours ago, thebuzzardman said:

I'm going to assume he COULD throw a penny into Tom Brady's gaping anus. Being that it's generally more stretched out than a koi pond. Not sure if that helps him get signed in N.E. though. 

Dude I was at a wake and read this and burst out laughing. Everyone turned around and looked at me.

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9 minutes ago, jgb said:

“So kid main reason we brought you here is to brief us on the jets playbook. Whatchugot?”

Hack: “Well, the ‘triangle’ pass play to Megatron in Detroit’s playbook in the shotgun section works every time on the all-pro setting in Madden ‘15, and I kept telling Bowles that we should run it, but he wouldn’t listen!”

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11 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Maybe with the right coaches and TB tutoring him you never know a better chance than being here where we havent had a good track record with QB's. 

Sam Darnold was a phenom before he was drafted here so he saves us. 

I have no ill will towards any professional athlete especially young kids. 

Umm....when has Brady ever shown a willingness to mentor other QBs? For a guy with his standing in the both the league and especially the Pats organization, he has shown himself to be extremely insecure. 

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11 hours ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

Agree, that last CBA really hurt the game and the NFL's ability to develop players, they need practice repetition to improve, I know they wanted to reduce injuries in camp but the lack of conditioning is causing just as many injuries -  the vets hated the pre-season and voted much of it out, maybe increase the practice squad and let them practice more often

I also think the NFL over-complicates things for these kids.

The NFL should simplify the reads for these kids and let them grow into their role.  Matt Ryan had a great quote about his MVP season saying how that was the first time he began to simply trust that his WRs would be "there" and he just threw to a spot.  That takes YEARS to get to (side note Darnold does that now which is crazy) for most players and in the meantime you can run a simplified offense like McVay is running for Goff which puts your QB and team in position to succeed.

No rookie QB should be handed that ridiculous playbook that Marty Morenwhig had when he was here, asking them to run 15 variations of 100 different plays, its just not smart.

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16 hours ago, KRL said:

In all seriousness I hope Hackenberg finds somewhere to land, he seemed like a well
spoken young man.  And it must be terrifying to think your NFL life could be over 
before it even began

My older son is friends with someone who knew him at Penn State.  Says he was a freaking a-hole there and wasn't liked.  Came on to some girl in a bar off campus who didn't know who he was and rejecting his advances and saying 'who do you think you are anyway' and he told her in fromt of everyone "just Google me bitch".

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15 hours ago, C Mart said:

Jets couldn't wait any longer...Gruden isn't wrong. CBA is killing the ability to develop players, especially QBs. However, it doesn't mean Hack will ever develop. NE is the spot for him to sit a year or two. The league Bill Polian is involved with (American Alliance of Football) that starts next winter/spring would be a good place for Hack too. 

"It is hard enough to get Connor Cook enough reps, let alone a fourth guy," Gruden said. "It really depresses me how we can't spend more time with these young quarterbacks, and it is really going to be an impactful situation on the NFL in the future."

Gruden is spot on here and it doesn't just apply to developing QBs.  CBA off season restrictions are ruining the development of young players in general.  It's reducing the quality of play that we watch every Sunday, particularly in September.

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BB:   Christian, we are looking forward to meeting you.  I followed you at Penn St. and am hopeful that you may have something to offer our organization.

CH:   Thank you Coach, I look forward to it.

BB:   And Christian, don't forget to bring your Jets playbook.

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10 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

Dude I was at a wake and read this and burst out laughing. Everyone turned around and looked at me.

Laughing out loud at a wake or funeral... can't help but think of Chuckles the Clown's funeral...  Laugh for Chuckles... Laugh for Hackenberg...

 

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1 hour ago, sourceworx said:

Umm....when has Brady ever shown a willingness to mentor other QBs? For a guy with his standing in the both the league and especially the Pats organization, he has shown himself to be extremely insecure. 

Image result for jimmy garoppolo pics
 

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15 minutes ago, tfine said:

B.B. is not really a great talent evaluator. He basically throws sh*t against the wall and see if it sticks.


Sent from my iPad using JetNation.com mobile app

Every talent evaluator seems to do the same. Ozzie Newsome drafted about 10 QBs prior to Joe Flacco. This isn’t an exact science. Drafting is like playing the stock market with all new companies without any real track record.

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12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

How did Jimmy G get so good? He was drafted in the 2nd round just like Chrisitian Hackenberg. 

Because some players are good at football, while others are not. If Sam Darnold turns out to be a good player, it won't be because Josh McCown mentored him. 

If Brady is such a great guy, why did he force the Pats to trade Garoppolo for pennies on the dollar?

 

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6 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

Because some players are good at football, while others are not. If Sam Darnold turns out to be a good player, it won't be because Josh McCown mentored him. 

If Brady is such a great guy, why did he force the Pats to trade Garoppolo for pennies on the dollar?

 

I never said TB was a great guy, but Jimmy G definitely learned a few things from TB. 

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