JetNation Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Here is a statement that the NFL media department sent out today with an update on the anthem policy. JOINT NFL-NFLPA STATEMENT The NFL and NFLPA, through recent discussions, have been working on a resolution to the anthem issue. In order to allow this constructive dialogue to continue, we have come to a standstill agreement on the NFLPA’s grievance and on the NFL’s anthem policy. No new rules relating to the anthem will be issued or enforced for the next several weeks while these confidential discussions are ongoing. The NFL and NFLPA reflect the great values of America, which are repeatedly demonstrated by the many players doing extraordinary work in communities across our country to promote equality, fairness and justice. Our shared focus will remain on finding a solution to the anthem issue through mutual, good faith commitments, outside of litigation. The post Joint NFL-NFLPA Statement appeared first on JetNation.com (NY Jets Blog & Forum). Click here to read the full story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Bye-bye National Anthem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 3 hours ago, BurnleyJet said: Bye-bye National Anthem. The whole issue is ridiculous. The NFLs unilateral "vote" for the new policy was embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 No matter where your heart is on this one, at least people of all opinions can agree that the NFL couldn’t have handled this any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: No matter where your heart is on this one, at least people of all opinions can agree that the NFL couldn’t have handled this any worse. A tone-deaf billionaire boys club, who'da thunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: No matter where your heart is on this one, at least people of all opinions can agree that the NFL couldn’t have handled this any worse. 51 minutes ago, slats said: A tone-deaf billionaire boys club, who'da thunk? I just deleted a few responses to this, but maybe the NFL could send a few people out to talk to a few 26 year-olds in metropolitan areas and ask them their thoughts on the anthem issue instead of worrying about what a pack of 72 year-old WWII vets from the Florida panhandle think, because those 72 year olds are effectively worthless as a target demo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Actually, NFL has played this just right. Unintentionally. For the first time in a long time, I’ll have my popcorns ready way before the kickoff. More ad revenue for the networks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 The Supreme Court already decided that all Americans have the right to decline to participate in a patriotic act. Patriotism should be earned, not enforced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: No matter where your heart is on this one, at least people of all opinions can agree that the NFL couldn’t have handled this any worse. I say it’s par for the course for the Goodell era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I hope every single player collectively takes a knee. I know it’s not happening, but I hope it does anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 So many questions! Is Goodell's dumb solution to have kneelers stay in the locker room still in effect? What will happen when they kneel on the sideline anyway? Ejections? Fines? Suspensions? Make kneeling mandatory? Will NFL viewer numbers continue to slide? Will Sacha Baron Cohen be the next NFL commissioner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Larz said: The Supreme Court already decided that all Americans have the right to decline to participate in a patriotic act. Patriotism should be earned, not enforced This is the problem with having this discussion in America. That is simply not an accurate representation of the law. A private company is still LEGALLY allowed to fine/suspend/fire an employee for not being "patriotic." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 This is unsolvable from the League standpoint. They have put themselves in a box and I am not sure that there is a way out. If they try to drop the hammer, institute rules and heavy handedness in terms of fines and suspensions, the players will continue to revolt, fracture, protest or strike. If they soften their stance or are perceived to be allowing protests against the national anthem they will continue to see an impact to ad revenue and a percentage of the NFL fan base that turns away from the game. No win situation IMO. But they put themselves in this box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: This is unsolvable from the League standpoint. They have put themselves in a box and I am not sure that there is a way out. If they try to drop the hammer, institute rules and heavy handedness in terms of fines and suspensions, the players will continue to revolt, fracture, protest or strike. If they soften their stance or are perceived to be allowing protests against the national anthem they will continue to see an impact to ad revenue and a percentage of the NFL fan base that turns away from the game. No win situation IMO. But they put themselves in this box. They certainly did. Only solution is just removing the anthem all together, which would piss off both sides - but everyone would eventually move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: No matter where your heart is on this one, at least people of all opinions can agree that the NFL couldn’t have handled this any worse. I don't think so only because there was no right move to make. You were going to piss someone off. 3 hours ago, slats said: A tone-deaf billionaire boys club, who'da thunk? Except they weren't tone deaf. They listened because there was a lot of people, whatever your opinion on them, who made a loud counter protest with their wallets. And if there's one things billionaire aren't deaf to, it's the sound of money leaving their coffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lot K Tailgaters Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 There were 6 guys out of close to 1,800 players kneeling at the beginning of last season. Not trying to make this political ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: This is unsolvable from the League standpoint. They have put themselves in a box and I am not sure that there is a way out. If they try to drop the hammer, institute rules and heavy handedness in terms of fines and suspensions, the players will continue to revolt, fracture, protest or strike. If they soften their stance or are perceived to be allowing protests against the national anthem they will continue to see an impact to ad revenue and a percentage of the NFL fan base that turns away from the game. No win situation IMO. But they put themselves in this box. Funny thing is if the ownership ignored it, the players would have gotten bored with it (and their brand sponsors would have told them to knock it off) and it would be over by now, as they did in the NBA. Instead, they got baited into being antagonistic about it and now they’re doomed. It’d serve them right if nobody watched the league this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said: I hope every single player collectively takes a knee. I know it’s not happening, but I hope it does anyway. I hope so too, so when players salaries dry up they will appreciate how good they have it,. If the protests weren't having an effect on the NFL owners bottom line, you think they care. Everyone has a free choice to do what they think is right, but there is always a cost to that choice. Looks like will be another year without watching the NFL, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Raideraholic said: I hope so too, so when players salaries dry up they will appreciate how good they have it,. If the protests weren't having an effect on the NFL owners bottom line, you think they care. Everyone has a free choice to do what they think is right, but there is always a cost to that choice. Looks like will be another year without watching the NFL, Players salaries? They below will never happen because players obviously have to look out for their bottom line as well, but economic theory is generally hypothetical hyperboles anyway, so lets play: Every player kneels => no player plays => no games => revenue drop -OR- scabs => bad product => ad money and tv deals go away =>owners pissed off. The owners are playing a stupid game where ultimately they acquiesce in shame, or have to sell off the team in order to retain a profit. New owners will go the way of our very own Christopher Johnson. No matter how you feel about it, everyone who is against the protests will end up on the losing side of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Pioneer woman goes down to the creek to wash her family's clothes. First she washes her Sunday go to meeting dress. Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Looks clean, sniffs the dress, smells clean, is clean, puts it on rocks to dry Next she washes Junior's jeans, Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Looks clean, sniffs the jeans, smells clean, is clean, puts it on rocks to dry Next she washes Husband's shirt, Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Looks clean, sniffs the shirt, smells clean, is clean, puts it on rocks to dry Lastly she washes the baby's diapers Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Looks clean, sniffs the diapers Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Wishy Washey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Funny thing is if the ownership ignored it, the players would have gotten bored with it (and their brand sponsors would have told them to knock it off) and it would be over by now, as they did in the NBA. Instead, they got baited into being antagonistic about it and now they’re doomed. It’d serve them right if nobody watched the league this year. No if the NFL did what the NBA ( more African American percentage make up the league) did. The league would be prospering , and not in serious trouble. The NBA stated that everyone of their players would stand , or be subjected to suspension by the league. Lebron James the biggest race baiter, I don't see him challenging that rule. It's called leadership . The NBA has it, the NFL doesn't . They created this mess, and they have to live with the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Players salaries? They below will never happen because players obviously have to look out for their bottom line as well, but economic theory is generally hypothetical hyperboles anyway, so lets play: Every player kneels => no player plays => no games => revenue drop -OR- scabs => bad product => ad money and tv deals go away =>owners pissed off. The owners are playing a stupid game where ultimately they acquiesce in shame, or have to sell off the team in order to retain a profit. New owners will go the way of our very own Christopher Johnson. No matter how you feel about it, everyone who is against the protests will end up on the losing side of history. The fans are the people that are paying the players salaries. You tick enough paying customers, and the revenue isn't there anymore .( player salaries go down. Again if the NFL wasn't scaried , or hurting they would stick to their position. See ESPN who destroyed their product, by becoming political . ( fans just want to watch the games) Nfl career is so short, why the owners destroy the players in negotiations( when they negotiate a new collective bargain agreement . They are going to cave, suspend the SOBS and you will see how fast they change their position. Any company you work for set the rules. ( what you must do). Hey you have a free choice, but when you get the C Crapernick or E Reid treatment than you have no one to blame but yourself. Jmo can't wait till M Lynch is an ex Raider- he makes hard to root for your favorite team. I hope Gruden doesn't take his crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Raideraholic said: The fans are the people that are paying the players salaries. You tick enough paying customers, and the revenue isn't there anymore .( player salaries go down. Again if the NFL wasn't scaried , or hurting they would stick to their position. Nfl career is so short, why the owners destroy the players in negotiations( when they negotiate a new collective bargain agreement . They are going to cave, suspend the SOBS and you will see how fast they change their position. Any company you work for set the rules. ( what you must do). Hey you have a free choice, but when you get the C Crapernick or E Reid treatment than you have no one to blame but yourself. Jmo can't wait till M Lynch is an ex Raider- he makes hard to root for your favorite team. Hoe Gruden doesn't take his crap. If players are being suspended for kneeling, the owners are not paying out any salaries. If the players are being suspended, there is no product. No product is bad for the product owners. Suspensions for protests are stupid from many angles, but mostly because it'll hurt the owner's bottom lines. The owners simply will determine how many (and more importantly, who) is willing to forgo their salary to kneel. If it's a big number or if it's enough big names to hurt the product, they shouldn't allow the suspensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 hours ago, T0mShane said: I just deleted a few responses to this, but maybe the NFL could send a few people out to talk to a few 26 year-olds in metropolitan areas and ask them their thoughts on the anthem issue instead of worrying about what a pack of 72 year-old WWII vets from the Florida panhandle think, because those 72 year olds are effectively worthless as a target demo. 72 year olds would be Vietnam vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Yeah stand or get suspended. Scree third worthless and fake protests. We stand for those that can't anymore. I never knew the NBA rules but as described above seems pretty much the easiest way. Stand or get suspended. Wish the NFL would make it 6 games or something. Go protest on your own time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, Raideraholic said: No if the NFL did what the NBA ( more African American percentage make up the league) did. The league would be prospering , and not in serious trouble. The NBA stated that everyone of their players would stand , or be subjected to suspension by the league. Lebron James the biggest race baiter, I don't see him challenging that rule. It's called leadership . The NBA has it, the NFL doesn't . They created this mess, and they have to live with the consequences. Here’s a case in point^ A person with the screen name “Raiderholic,” who loves the Raiders so much that he comes on a New York Jets message board to talk about the Raiders, but pretends to be boycotting the league because of the kneeling, and someone who will watch every single snap of every game (then deny it). This is not the fan you’re losing. You’re losing the 25 year old dude who hates Tr*mp and thinks the league’s ownership is a bunch of fascists, and that 25 year old dude is the guy they need to worry about, because they won’t come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dbatesman Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Raideraholic said: NBA ( more African American percentage make up the league) link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 please note.. the following is Not a gif... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Who’s the founding father of Sweden’s trans rights movement, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Very few people I have ever known who were born with a reasonably strong intellect feels the same way socially and politically at 40-50 years of age as opposed to how they felt at 20. We evolve through experiences. Thats life. I accept it and consider it a fact. I consider myself moderately patriotic however if someone feels compelled to kneel for the anthem I dont think they should be stopped. There is an ideological middle road most of us come to inhabit and I think that will hold true going forward. Like Shane said if the league didnt put a spotlight on it it would have just dried up by now like so many other SJW causes do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: a pack of 72 year-old WWII vets Thomas, when exactly do you think World War 2 was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Thomas, when exactly do you think World War 2 was? Right after the Germans bombed Pearl Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Kudos to the Dolphins for their team policy of suspending players who kneel. Send the players home and don’t pay them. They can find a new place to work. Or, they can choose to protest on their own time. Maybe start a foundation. Organize a fundraiser. Have joint news conferences to express their concerns. But, it’s the off-season and they’re just too busy right now taking vacations to do any of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 This thread has survived the inevitable political lock longer than I expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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