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1 hour ago, flgreen said:

No, Darnold shoud do what is best for his long term future.  Not what fans are whining about for an extra day of no contact  parctice.

I'd argue being there day one and winning the starting job as a rookie is what is best for his long term future, not quibbling over something that will likely prove totally inconsequential.

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19 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Every 1st round draft pick has their contract fully guaranteed, it’s all about language, and bonus payment schedule.

Bonus guranteed I know, but if they cut in 2 years, is the salary fo ryeas 3 and 4 guaranteed

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1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

#3 overall pick VS #7 overall pick, and the fact no #3 overall pick has not gotten one, or the other why should Darnold be the first to cave (again who knows if that’s what’s going on here just an example, and reason why you can’t throw shade at Darnold), CAA would lose clients if their client the #3 overall pick is the first #3 overall pick to ever give in to this, I’d also go as far as CAA saying we are not caving, if you want to cave your gonna do it without us because they would lose more money in the future then what they will make off Darnold.

But again we don’t know the details so we can’t throw shade until the details are released.

#3 vs #7 makes no difference when it comes to offset language or the specific timing of bonus payments.  THe only difference is salary and bonus amount, which is all determined from slotting.  THIS YEAR...  1,2,4,5,6,7 all have the same resolution of offset language.  Darnold would be the outlier.  Makes no sense that #3 should be any different fro the other top 6.  Last year is irrelevant.

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1 hour ago, MaxAF said:

Exactly! When Darnold gets paid his agent gets the cut!

But the agent didn't seem to mind when he gets his cut from Buffalo (for Allen's bonus).  Again, he acquiesced for Allen, but not for Darnold?  That's on Darnold, not the agent.  All Darnold needs to do is tell him to get it done (just like Allen did).  But no. This is 100% on Darnold.  Not on the Jets or on Sexton.

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20 minutes ago, SouthernJet said:

Bonus guranteed I know, but if they cut in 2 years, is the salary fo ryeas 3 and 4 guaranteed

the entire salary is guaranteed for all the top picks

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2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

But the agent didn't seem to mind when he gets his cut from Buffalo (for Allen's bonus).  Again, he acquiesced for Allen, but not for Darnold?  That's on Darnold, not the agent.  All Darnold needs to do is tell him to get it done (just like Allen did).  But no. This is 100% on Darnold.  Not on the Jets or on Sexton.

Well this should be over soon and Jet fans will get the details on The Who, what’s and when’s. I’m really a bit surprised about the whole thing listening to all the pre, present and post interviews during OTA’s from Darnold and his excitement and demeanor. Kinda leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth right now. Kids 21 and coming out of college and someone wants to give him a 4 year contract for 30 million. I mean WTF Sam, get it behind you and focus on the big picture.

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24 minutes ago, Dcat said:

3 vs #7 makes no difference when it comes to offset language or the specific timing of bonus payments. 

This is false thou, no #3 pick has ever gotten offset language AND bonus payments spread out through the contract while guys from 4-7 have.

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6 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

If Sam really wanted to be here he would've made sure he got the  contract signed in time,  not a good impression. 

agree, why I said maybe sticking point is "cant use Franchis Tag on me" clause that may be issue. Wants back in california eventually.?

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1 minute ago, SouthernJet said:

agree, why I said maybe sticking point is "cant use Franchis Tag on me" clause that may be issue. Wants back in california eventually.?

Not sure if that's even negotiable, but if it is there is no way Macc can cave on that one. I'd rather he sits out the year then give him a free out in a few years.

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4 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

This is false thou, no #3 pick has ever gotten offset language AND bonus payments spread out through the contract while guys from 4-7 have.

no 3's?  But yes for 1's, 2's, 4's, 5's 6's 7's .... etc this year? You think the #3 is unique and can be distinguished from 1'2\s 2's or even 7's?  Nope.  That's BS.  And what has happened in past years is completely irrelevant.  It's what is happening this year that matters and Darnold is trying to be the outlier among the first 7 picks.  Frankly, he's being a dick and it's patently ridiculous.

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1 minute ago, SouthernJet said:

agree, why I said maybe sticking point is "cant use Franchis Tag on me" clause that may be issue. Wants back in california eventually.?

Don't know if he ever seemed happy being drafted by the Jets or not 1st overall,  he needs to get over it.  I know he is  not the most visually emotional guy but I would like to see my potential franchise quarterback being a leader and making sure he's there on the first day. 

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2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

no 3's?  But yes for 1's, 2's, 4's, 5's 6's 7's .... etc this year? You think the #3 is unique and can be distinguished from 1'2\s 2's or even 7's?  Nope.  That's BS.  And what has happened in past years is completely irrelevant.  It's what is happening this year that matters and Darnold is trying to be the outlier among the first 7 picks.  Frankly, he's being a dick and it's patently ridiculous.

No both Mayfield and Barkley are getting their FULL signing bonus this year that is the give from the team when the player accepts offset language.  The Chargers tried to do both spread out bonuse over the course of 4 years AND offset language IF the Jets are doing the same, and Darnold caves he would be the first to ever cave since the new CBA from pick #3, and this is why Bosa’s hold out lasted 4 weeks.

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1 minute ago, Lupz27 said:

No both Mayfield and Barkley are getting their FULL signing bonus this year that is the give from the team when the player accepts offset language.  The Chargers tried to do both spread out bonuse over the course of 4 years AND offset language IF the Jets are doing the same, and Darnold caves he would be the first to ever cave since the new CBA from pick #3, and this is why Bosa’s hold out lasted 4 weeks.

You really think the jets are attempting to do what Chargers tried (and failed) to do?  LOL.  No way. We shall see, I guess.

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6 minutes ago, Dcat said:

We shall see, I guess.

This is where I am at, can’t place blame on one side with out facts, but I’m definitely disappointed with both parties that this couldn’t be discussed more serious a few weeks earlier, and not have a stalemate now.

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18 minutes ago, Dcat said:

no 3's?  But yes for 1's, 2's, 4's, 5's 6's 7's .... etc this year? You think the #3 is unique and can be distinguished from 1'2\s 2's or even 7's?  Nope.  That's BS.  And what has happened in past years is completely irrelevant.  It's what is happening this year that matters and Darnold is trying to be the outlier among the first 7 picks.  Frankly, he's being a dick and it's patently ridiculous.

You're really taking a hard stance without knowing any details. 

Darnold has no reason to accept the same terms that Mayfield did at #1. I like Baker as a prospect, but there's also video of him running from police en route to getting arrested. He really didn't have much of an argument not to accept offset language, and the team that drafted Johnny Manziel was likely to push for it. So what's happening this year is kinda special circumstances. 

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

You're really taking a hard stance without knowing any details. 

Darnold has no reason to accept the same terms that Mayfield did at #1. I like Baker as a prospect, but there's also video of him running from police en route to getting arrested. He really didn't have much of an argument not to accept offset language, and the team that drafted Johnny Manziel was likely to push for it. So what's happening this year is kinda special circumstances. 

And the Jets have no reason to cave into demands that other top picks didn't get..

All I know is that Macc has zero history of being unreasonable and forcing picks to hold out while Darnold has no history. So if I'm going to take sides here it's Macc who I'm siding with. Macc is also looking out for the interests of jets while Darnold is looking out for himself (which is his right). 

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Here's a little bit of 'fact' to help people along.

https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/03/27/nfl-rookie-contracts-explained-fifth-year-option/

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Every player selected in the first round of the NFL Draft will automatically have a Fifth-Year Option added in his contract. This option cannot be separately attached to the player contract. The option allows a team to retain a player’s rights for five years rather than the standard four, which is the bonus of selecting a player in the first round. In order to extend the contract, the team must inform the player during the period between the last regular season game of his third contract year and May 3 of the next League Year (Art. 7, Sec. 7, (a), 31).

The Fifth-Year Option is non-negotiable, and the non-compensation terms from a player’s rookie contract will be transferred to the fifth year. Many terms allowed in other contracts are prohibited from being added into the Fifth-Year Option. These terms include Option Bonuses, Option Exercise Fees, option Non-Exercise fees, Option Buyouts, or any other compensation that stems from the team exercising or declining the Fifth-year option (Sec. 7 (d), 31).

 

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7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

And the Jets have no reason to cave into demands that other top picks didn't get..

All I know is that Macc has zero history of being unreasonable and forcing picks to hold out while Darnold has no history. So if I'm going to take sides here it's Macc who I'm siding with. Macc is also looking out for the interests of jets while Darnold is looking out for himself (which is his right). 

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I'm disappointed it's not done, but I'll wait until all the facts are available before I decide where to place blame. 

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what the Jets management deserves is that he holds out, the season starts and mclown goes 0-4..

:comb:

 

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8 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I did not realize Darnold's agent is the same guy that represented Fitzpatrick in that nightmare a few years ago.

Darnold needs to tell him I'm either practicing today or I'm getting a new agent. 

fitzpatrick got paid very well that year if i recall correctly.

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2 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Not sure if that's even negotiable, but if it is there is no way Macc can cave on that one. I'd rather he sits out the year then give him a free out in a few years.

I suppose we'd find the answer to that question somewhere in the CBA.  @Charlie Brown and the other legal eagles can search through that document for us and let us know.

 :Typotux: 

Pro bono work! You can probably get state bar credit for the time.  

(for the good of Jets fans)

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