Dcat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: That would be so short-slighted by Darnold. He would be better off having the franchise tag available. Look at how much money Kirk Cousins made from being franchised. If Darnold is a legit top 5-6 QB in the league at the end of 4 years, he’ll get his deal. If he’s kind of a middle of the pack QB and hasn’t a great 4 years and the Jets aren’t willing or can’t reach a longer term deal then having the tag available for a year or two would be beneficial for Darnold. To me, Darnold and his team worrying about offsets sets a bad precedent in that they are planning on contingencies if Darnold isn’t the player the Jets believe they drafted. They are almost saying, “hey, there is a good chance my client isn’t going to work out for you, so we want him to be able to profit from failing here”. maybe short-sighted, but may be the real issue here. He doesn't want to be here any longer than he has to. By strong-arming the team to waive its right to Franchise him after his 5th year option is complete, Sam insures that he can "Escape from New York" in no more than 5 years. He can't be stuck here for a 6th and potentially a 7th year ala Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 owner believes he is a franchise altering player. ""I think people are going to look back 20 years from now and say that this is the moment that the Jets shifted into a new gear and became a great team," but... the guys doing the contract are SOJs. anyway, someone was sayn Jet fans needa sac up. I agree. All the whingeing is unmanly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: NFLN is reporting that Darnold told his agent to get him in to camp and theyve told him to sit tight and let them handle it. Ugh Where did you see that? Haven’t seen anything to that affect from any reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, sec101row23 said: Where did you see that? Haven’t seen anything to that affect from any reporter. Mike Garofolo reported it yesterday. I will see if I can find the clip. Edit - that didn't take long, here is the clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, Dcat said: maybe short-sighted, but may be the real issue here. He doesn't want to be here any longer than he has to. By strong-arming the team to waive its right to Franchise him after his 5th year option is complete, Sam insures that he can "Escape from New York" in no more than 5 years. He can't be stuck here for a 6th and potentially a 7th year ala Cousins. As far as I know, I don’t think I’ve seen a rookie first round pick have that clause put into his contract. If Darnold is willing to sit while his agent tries to break some “glass ceiling” in rookie negotiations, then I really question Sam’s decision making already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lith said: Mike Garofolo reported it yesterday. I will see if I can find the clip. Edit - that didn't take long, here is the clip. That’s encouraging at least. He needs to set an ultimatum however. Drop dead date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: That’s encouraging at least. He needs to set an ultimatum however. Drop dead date. Drop dead date he should have set already passed, but I agree. Tough for a 21-year old kid to take charge of a negotiation, but he needs to tell Sexton that he needs to be in camp this weekend and the contract has to be done. Today. #1 Mayfield has offset language. #2 Barkely has offset language. #4 Ward has offset language. It shouldn't be this hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Where did you see that? Haven’t seen anything to that affect from any reporter. It was reported on the news break by Garafolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dcat said: maybe short-sighted, but may be the real issue here. He doesn't want to be here any longer than he has to. By strong-arming the team to waive its right to Franchise him after his 5th year option is complete, Sam insures that he can "Escape from New York" in no more than 5 years. He can't be stuck here for a 6th and potentially a 7th year ala Cousins. 5 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: As far as I know, I don’t think I’ve seen a rookie first round pick have that clause put into his contract. If Darnold is willing to sit while his agent tries to break some “glass ceiling” in rookie negotiations, then I really question Sam’s decision making already. Who knows? I'm just speculating here because, quite frankly, a hold out over "offset" language is completely illogical considering it is mostly a moot point for a kid like Darnold. I'm just figuring the hold-up... er... "hold-out"... has to be over something much bigger than that. Because a hold out over offset language is just flat out stupid, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Lith said: Mike Garofolo reported it yesterday. I will see if I can find the clip. Edit - that didn't take long, here is the clip. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lith said: Drop dead date he should have set already passed, but I agree. Tough for a 21-year old kid to take charge of a negotiation, but he needs to tell Sexton that he needs to be in camp this weekend and the contract has to be done. Today. #1 Mayfield has offset language. #2 Barkely has offset language. #4 Ward has offset language. It shouldn't be this hard. yeah... if that's the real issue, which everyone is assuming. I think it's something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lith said: Drop dead date he should have set already passed, but I agree. Tough for a 21-year old kid to take charge of a negotiation, but he needs to tell Sexton that he needs to be in camp this weekend and the contract has to be done. Today. #1 Mayfield has offset language. #2 Barkely has offset language. #4 Ward has offset language. It shouldn't be this hard. Look, if Allen and Mayfield did it then Darnold needs to. This laid back surfer dude attitude needs to show some urgency and balls, Sexton works for him. Sam should say “ I’m practicing today, make it happen now”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 That’s encouraging at least. He needs to set an ultimatum however. Drop dead date. Agree ... Sexton is scrambling after Mayfield and Allen demanded a deal to get them into camp day 1.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Jet Nut said: It was reported on the news break by Garafolo. Saw that, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Who knows? I'm just speculating here because, quite frankly, a hold out over "offset" language is completely illogical considering it is mostly a moot point for a kid like Darnold. I'm just figuring the hold-up... er... "hold-out"... has to be over something much bigger than that. Because a hold out over offset language is just flat out stupid, IMO.What could it possibly be ????? The money is already gaurnteed.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dunnie said: What could it possibly be ????? The money is already gaurnteed. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Maybe the Jets promising not to Franchise Tag Darnold after his 5th year? Darnold doesn't want to be here maybe? He sure looked miserable when the Jets drafted him. He figured he was going to the Giants probably. Jets get no love from anyone. Not even their own fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 17 hours ago, slats said: You're really taking a hard stance without knowing any details. Darnold has no reason to accept the same terms that Mayfield did at #1. I like Baker as a prospect, but there's also video of him running from police en route to getting arrested. He really didn't have much of an argument not to accept offset language, and the team that drafted Johnny Manziel was likely to push for it. So what's happening this year is kinda special circumstances. If this is really about offset language (as everyone including Mehta assumes), then it's pretty hard to ignore the obvious. It's reasonably apparent to me at least, that this is entirely on Darnold/Sexton. Not even the Jets could possibly be that nonsensical. So yeah... I am taking a 'hard stance', one which I believe is very reasonable and likely. 100% certainty? Nope... but way over 50% for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: That’s encouraging at least. He needs to set an ultimatum however. Drop dead date. Can't have it both ways: Can't credibly get people to believe that your agent is forcing this on you. You are the client. You can tell him what to do and if he doesn't do it, fire the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kels1327 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I don't see why people are saying it's something else. Everything reported so far says it's all because of offset language. Just plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Bruce Harper said: Can't have it both ways: Can't credibly get people to believe that your agent is forcing this on you. You are the client. You can tell him what to do and if he doesn't do it, fire the guy. I agree. That’s why I think if this goes beyond today then anything Darnold says about not wanting to hold out is pure B.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, kels1327 said: I don't see why people are saying it's something else. Everything reported so far says it's all because of offset language. Just plain stupid. Its not everybody, its one. And he thinks Darnold was miserable because the Jets drafted him and doesnt want to be here. Even when anybody who watched the draft would never say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kels1327 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Its not everybody, its one. And he thinks Darnold was miserable because the Jets drafted him and doesnt want to be here. Even when anybody who watched the draft would never say that. I definitely wouldn't. He looked happy as a pig in sh*t that he was coming to NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, kels1327 said: I don't see why people are saying it's something else. Everything reported so far says it's all because of offset language. Just plain stupid. because a hold out over offset language in a situation where offset language is highly unlikely to ever apply at all just makes no sense. This leads to speculation over what else it could be. Everyone, including Mehta, is assuming this is over offset language, but these are just assumptions because neither the Jets nor Sexton/Darnold have declared what, exactly, the sticking issue really is. Maybe those assumptions are correct, maybe not. But if it is something else, then what could it be? Just speculating that it just might be over waiving the club's right to Franchise Tag Sam after his 5th year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Maybe the Jets promising not to Franchise Tag Darnold after his 5th year? Darnold doesn't want to be here maybe? He sure looked miserable when the Jets drafted him. He figured he was going to the Giants probably. Jets get no love from anyone. Not even their own fans. He never tried to manipulate where he was going. Never threatened the Browns. I guess he loved the idea of going there?? Why didn’t he pull an Eli?? This is first I’ve ever heard anything like thisSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Dcat said: maybe short-sighted, but may be the real issue here. He doesn't want to be here any longer than he has to. By strong-arming the team to waive its right to Franchise him after his 5th year option is complete, Sam insures that he can "Escape from New York" in no more than 5 years. He can't be stuck here for a 6th and potentially a 7th year ala Cousins. Exactly. At this point Im thinking he wiil just save a step and shoot himself out of town now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Look, if Allen and Mayfield did it then Darnold needs to. This laid back surfer dude attitude needs to show some urgency and balls, Sexton works for him. Sam should say “ I’m practicing today, make it happen now”. Agreed. If he were my son, I would be telling him to do exactly that. Get your ass into camp. You are a 21-year old kid who is expected to gain the respect of a team of veterans and be their leader and the face of the franchise. You can't gain any respect if you are not there. You can't win a starting job by holding out. You need every practice rep you can get. You have done nothing as a pro. Two days ago was time for you to be an adult and call your agent and tell him to make sure you are signed before camp starts. You are about to sign a contract that will guarantee you $20 million plus by the time you turn 25. More money than most of us will see in a lifetime. Just sign the fcking deal already. But he is not my son, so I won't tell him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, kels1327 said: I definitely wouldn't. He looked happy as a pig in sh*t that he was coming to NY He's a ginger from Cali, he always looks like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Exactly. At this point Im thinking he wiil just save a step and shoot himself out of town now. The offsets theory just doesn’t make any sense, it seems too minor. Something else may be afoot here. That’s the logic. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Can't have it both ways: Can't credibly get people to believe that your agent is forcing this on you. You are the client. You can tell him what to do and if he doesn't do it, fire the guy. Exactly. Darnold can end this right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, SAR I said: The offsets theory just doesn’t make any sense, it seems too minor. Something else may be afoot here. That’s the logic. SAR I Maybe its the agent? If that's the case then Sam needs to man up and fire his ass to get with his team now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, SAR I said: The offsets theory just doesn’t make any sense, it seems too minor. Something else may be afoot here. That’s the logic. SAR I I really don't know, but it is unfathomable that all this could be over offset language that is highly unlikely to ever apply. Mehta and everone else, including myself, are just speculating. Nobody knows what the sticking point is other than we all know it isn't over contract salary or signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I believe the current CBA expires in 2020, before Sam's contract will be up. The NFLPA can work on Franchise Tags then and probably will try. It seems a little extreme to risk tanking your entire first season over this (or anything really) that will probably get modified on the larger canvass in 2 years. But hey, maybe I'm being too logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Maybe its the agent? If that's the case then Sam needs to man up and fire his ass to get with his team now! Thats whats been reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I'm starting to think that Sam should have his mom do the contract. Keep the money in the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: I'm starting to think that Sam should have his mom do the contract. Keep the money in the family. Who's going to mess with the daughter of Dick Hammer? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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