Warfish Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: What was the better decision in that situation? A better throw? Not throwing it to the other team would be a start. The INT was on him, that doesn't make it some unrecoverable sin. It was a bad read, a rookie throw, and an INT that cost about the same as an incompletion or light sack in the same spot. I see no reason to rake him over the coals about it, it happens. It's his, (to his credit) he owned it in post-game, he'll learn from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Warfish said: My own views: -O-Line is horrible, one of the weakest and least talented units in the NFL. Period stop, this unit sucks. Again. -RB is very weak, especially now with injuries/non-players. I don't see production from this unit, especially with Bowles "focus" on being a running team first and foremost. -Jets have almost no pass rush to speak of. Thoroughly unimpressive Defensive front. -Coach Charlie Weiss on Sirius NFL said it best this morning "Robby Anderson is not a #1". For us, he is, for anyone else, lol, no. -Darnold was ok, at best, no matter how much flowery language some folks want to lay on his performance. Looked like what he is, a very green, quite unready-to-start-yet, rookie QB with a literal ton of potential but needing time to learn the pro game. He was Chad Pennington reborn last night, dink, dunk, dink, dunk, oops INT. And yes, that INT was all him (stop making excuses ffs, being honest doesn't make you dislike the kid). People flogging his play are living in a fantasy world of affectation, not fact. They desperately WANT him to start, so they'll see what they want to see, not what is real. -Teddy Bridgewater thus far is materially the best QB on our roster. Which won't matter because the team and 90% of the fans desperately want him traded asap and the Jets to roll with two QB's, Darnold and McCown (who apparently needs no work of any kind nowadays). -The Jets absolute horrible drafting history of the last decade has really come home to roost, we are deeply weak almost across the board at positions where we've invested a ton of draft capital. D-Line. Linebacker. Safety, none are above average even right now. The O-line is in shambles. RB is a collection of depth players at best. WR too a collection of injured players, overreaching players, and disappointing draft picks (where WAS Hanson and Stewart last night?). -I like Bert-Toilet. His name amuses me. My absolute favorite new kicker (and he looks good too, a bonus). Put simply, we are a materially below average team in terms of talent and skill position players. We have a potentially great future QB who is not ready...yet. And it might be literally criminal to put him with no-talent Offensive unit just to get him beat up every week while "learning" Tim-Couch-Cleveland-style. And I'll say what I've said alot over the past few years: we focus far too much on drafting Defense, and it's paid literally zero dividends. Macc (and the regimes before him) are simply bad at drafting, and it's obvious. This team needs a huge infusion of actual, legitimate, skill position and O-line talent asap. Not another reach defensive lineman from Appalachian Barber College Macc falls in love with. This is going to be a long year. Hot take with the O line comments...lol TL;DR version... Warfish being contrarian for sake of being contrarian. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Exactly. The pass was not a good play, INT or not. But for a rookie, it was a pretty standard mistake. He saw the defender jump inside (to cover Powell) and when Powell started to block he tracked Darnold's eyes and the nearest jet and jumped the route. Tough for Darnold to expect/see that, but a play he can't make. Again, it was 4th down so an INT in that spot is pretty much the same as a ball that is thrown away. He probably had a read and was hoping Kearse would fight for the ball. He was also probably looking to get rid of the ball quickly to avoid a sack (a little gun shy). Again, not a good play, but not a terrible play considering the down and coverage. I'll give him props for aiming beyond the first down line, something his last 10 predecessors failed to do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, k-met57 said: the INT was pretty bad even for a forced throw.... Darnold’s feet are weird and i’m baffled how more wasn’t made if his footwork in the pre-draft process. This pic illustrates it perfectly he throws it off the back foot or flat-footedl all the time and doesn’t step into the throws, it’s all whippy arm....and yet it seems to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 My ignore list picked up about 25 posters during the draft process The misery Mafia and the haters and trolls just aren't worth reading or responding to I highly recommend it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Larz said: My ignore list picked up about 25 posters during the draft process The misery Mafia and the haters and trolls just aren't worth reading or responding to I highly recommend it Nobody believes you did this, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Nobody believes you did this, at all. I’m quoting you so he can tell you said it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, redlichtie said: I’m quoting you so he can tell you said it? Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 pages of shecky Greene losers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 This is the best part. I'm sure I missed some scintillating conversations here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 @T0mShane If you posted like a normal person I'd be cool with you. You haven't been funny in forever and the trolling is so tired and old Mehta figured out Jets fans were looking for something new about 8 seconds after Darnold was drafted You? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, Larz said: @T0mShane If you posted like a normal person I'd be cool with you. You haven't been funny in forever and the trolling is so tired and old Mehta figured out Jets fans were looking for something new about 8 seconds after Darnold was drafted You? Lol I’m here for you while you work this out, Lars. I’m glad we’re having this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, MDL_JET said: Yep. So says a Pro FB HOF QB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Larz said: This is the best part. I'm sure I missed some scintillating conversations here You have Beerfish on ignore? Beerfish? Maybe it's better to ask who you don't have on ignore then. (Presume I'm on ignore, so moving on...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Deleted, Forum acting up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Deleted, Forum acting up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Warfish said: My own views: -O-Line is horrible, one of the weakest and least talented units in the NFL. Period stop, this unit sucks. Again. -RB is very weak, especially now with injuries/non-players. I don't see production from this unit, especially with Bowles "focus" on being a running team first and foremost. -Jets have almost no pass rush to speak of. Thoroughly unimpressive Defensive front. -Coach Charlie Weiss on Sirius NFL said it best this morning "Robby Anderson is not a #1". For us, he is, for anyone else, lol, no. -Darnold was ok, at best, no matter how much flowery language some folks want to lay on his performance. Looked like what he is, a very green, quite unready-to-start-yet, rookie QB with a literal ton of potential but needing time to learn the pro game. He was Chad Pennington reborn last night, dink, dunk, dink, dunk, oops INT. And yes, that INT was all him (stop making excuses ffs, being honest doesn't make you dislike the kid). People flogging his play are living in a fantasy world of affectation, not fact. They desperately WANT him to start, so they'll see what they want to see, not what is real. -Teddy Bridgewater thus far is materially the best QB on our roster. Which won't matter because the team and 90% of the fans desperately want him traded asap and the Jets to roll with two QB's, Darnold and McCown (who apparently needs no work of any kind nowadays). -The Jets absolute horrible drafting history of the last decade has really come home to roost, we are deeply weak almost across the board at positions where we've invested a ton of draft capital. D-Line. Linebacker. Safety, none are above average even right now. The O-line is in shambles. RB is a collection of depth players at best. WR too a collection of injured players, overreaching players, and disappointing draft picks (where WAS Hanson and Stewart last night?). -I like Bert-Toilet. His name amuses me. My absolute favorite new kicker (and he looks good too, a bonus). Put simply, we are a materially below average team in terms of talent and skill position players. We have a potentially great future QB who is not ready...yet. And it might be literally criminal to put him with no-talent Offensive unit just to get him beat up every week while "learning" Tim-Couch-Cleveland-style. And I'll say what I've said alot over the past few years: we focus far too much on drafting Defense, and it's paid literally zero dividends. Macc (and the regimes before him) are simply bad at drafting, and it's obvious. This team needs a huge infusion of actual, legitimate, skill position and O-line talent asap. Not another reach defensive lineman from Appalachian Barber College Macc falls in love with. This is going to be a long year. So we have the worst OL in the NFL, right? And Sam didnt too well and was just ok? Jeez, I wonder why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Ken Shroy said: So we have the worst OL in the NFL, right? And Sam didnt too well and was just ok? Jeez, I wonder why. Psst, read the whole thread mate. Covered, repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 7 hours ago, MDL_JET said: Where do you find theses? Do you follow them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Larz said: 6 pages of shecky Greene losers Talking to yourself on a message board to own the libs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Warfish said: My own views: -O-Line is horrible, one of the weakest and least talented units in the NFL. Period stop, this unit sucks. Again. -RB is very weak, especially now with injuries/non-players. I don't see production from this unit, especially with Bowles "focus" on being a running team first and foremost. -Jets have almost no pass rush to speak of. Thoroughly unimpressive Defensive front. -Coach Charlie Weiss on Sirius NFL said it best this morning "Robby Anderson is not a #1". For us, he is, for anyone else, lol, no. -Darnold was ok, at best, no matter how much flowery language some folks want to lay on his performance. Looked like what he is, a very green, quite unready-to-start-yet, rookie QB with a literal ton of potential but needing time to learn the pro game. He was Chad Pennington reborn last night, dink, dunk, dink, dunk, oops INT. And yes, that INT was all him (stop making excuses ffs, being honest doesn't make you dislike the kid). People flogging his play are living in a fantasy world of affectation, not fact. They desperately WANT him to start, so they'll see what they want to see, not what is real. -Teddy Bridgewater thus far is materially the best QB on our roster. Which won't matter because the team and 90% of the fans desperately want him traded asap and the Jets to roll with two QB's, Darnold and McCown (who apparently needs no work of any kind nowadays). -The Jets absolute horrible drafting history of the last decade has really come home to roost, we are deeply weak almost across the board at positions where we've invested a ton of draft capital. D-Line. Linebacker. Safety, none are above average even right now. The O-line is in shambles. RB is a collection of depth players at best. WR too a collection of injured players, overreaching players, and disappointing draft picks (where WAS Hanson and Stewart last night?). -I like Bert-Toilet. His name amuses me. My absolute favorite new kicker (and he looks good too, a bonus). Put simply, we are a materially below average team in terms of talent and skill position players. We have a potentially great future QB who is not ready...yet. And it might be literally criminal to put him with no-talent Offensive unit just to get him beat up every week while "learning" Tim-Couch-Cleveland-style. And I'll say what I've said alot over the past few years: we focus far too much on drafting Defense, and it's paid literally zero dividends. Macc (and the regimes before him) are simply bad at drafting, and it's obvious. This team needs a huge infusion of actual, legitimate, skill position and O-line talent asap. Not another reach defensive lineman from Appalachian Barber College Macc falls in love with. This is going to be a long year. A little harsh on Darnold, but spot on everywhere else. A month ago I thought this team could get to 9-7, but actually seeing what we’re running out there makes me wonder if we can get to six wins. The most troubling aspect is how soft and unathletic the team is on the OL and in the front seven. These are fatal flaws that don’t get overcome in-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Would have been nice if Bowles had played Darnold more than 3 series. Hard to gauge anything off of 11 passes. He needs to play into the 4th qtr against the Giants and they need to throw everything at him. I'm afraid this switch in OC's was to dial back the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, jetspenguin said: He didnt stink last night but he wasnt lights out either...but right now ANY post that isnt a glowing report is demonized as if you are not rooting for the kid. I think any and ALL of us want him to be successful and an outright stud. He isnt there yet and that is clear but god forbid we have a little perspective around here...not a reference to your posts, just talking about the general theme around the board. I didnt want him before we drafted him but I'll be damned if I want him to fail. I have just been a fan of this team since before many on this board were born and every single one of them I went all in and told everyone that would listen was the next coming of Namath. Bought the jersey, sang the song, wore the glasses. I can wait to see if he looks as good as the nuts on the rooftop believe in a real game. Or when he plays with the full compliment of offensive players. Then I'll buy the jersey, don the glasses and sing the song again. I dont think that's the case but certain people seem to have an agenda and are being just as extreme as the people who are over the moon about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, JiF said: I dont think that's the case but certain people seem to have an agenda and are being just as extreme as the people who are over the moon about him. I cant obviously say thats not true but god I would hope that everyone whether they want him or not still realizes that we all have the same underlying hope and that is for him to FINALLY fill the hole at QB that we have had for almost 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Looking at the Giants game, and if David Webb is better than Sam Darnold I can make a Genuine Rolex watch out of toilet paper..... The guy acts like he is going to jump out of his skin!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Charlie Brown said: Looking at the Giants game, and if David Webb is better than Sam Darnold I can make a Genuine Rolex watch out of toilet paper..... The guy acts like he is going to jump out of his skin!!!! Is Barkley playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Just now, jetspenguin said: I cant obviously say thats not true but god I would hope that everyone whether they want him or not still realizes that we all have the same underlying hope and that is for him to FINALLY fill the hole at QB that we have had for almost 50 years. Agreed...which is why I completely get the over the moon stuff. And all the early returns if the Jets dont Jets themselves, we should have a mighty fine player on our hands. Kid has some magical pocket presence that is extremely hard to teach. He's incredible when it all breaks down and that happens often in the NFL, unless you're the Patriots and are allowed to hold on every play. You combine that with his ability to process and his arm talent...I think it's fair to be optimistic about Darnold. Could be wrong...and this is coming the guy who wanted Watson and was very cautious of the Darnold hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Larz said: Is Barkley playing? No he is not and if he were they would get him killed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: No he is not and if he were they would get him killed! Yikes. Sounds ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 20 hours ago, jack48 said: I ws more disappointed int he game planning. I would have preferred more risk. I am not worried about a few mistakes. I wanted to see him roll a bit more. I understand what you are saying, and it will come. Darnold has shown at USC that he has a gunslinger mentality, and he can make plays by improvising. IMO Bates is trying to get him to play within the game plan and keep the turn overs down. I'm not even a hard core Darnold guy. Had reservations when they drafted him. Got to say the kid has really impressed me. One of the things I'm impressed with is his situational decision making. In the first drive a defender came right up the middle untouched, Darnold dodged him, and started to run then realized he was doomed, and threw the ball away. On the pick, it was 4th down, and actually more of a + play then an incompletion. Both good decisions in their situations. If he had thrown the pick on the first series it would look the same in the stats as the one later, but in all honesty the pick he threw had 0 impact on the game. A pick on the first series would have turned a bad Play into a disaster play. Really impressive that a rookie, in his 2nd pre -season game is making them. I'm good where he is at right now. I also think he is being handled well by Bates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Larz said: Yikes. Sounds ugly Webb is ok just a nervous player.... However TT looks good for Cleveland though..... And Allen can't even get the plays in properly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 10 hours ago, munchmemory said: Guess I bought into all the Williams hype. Gee, a Jet fan getting duped by the team PR and press? Nah. I think too many are expecting too much from a 3-4 Dlman especially in Bowles scheme. They are being used as space eaters not as pass rushers. IMO Williams could be dominant inside as 4-3 DT but I guess Todd is the expert .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Matt39 said: I saw them both play. They were both ordinary. Especially Adams. The combine reinforced the eye test. Explains a lot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, 56mehl56 said: Explains a lot . 12 sacks in 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Fair to point out that the Redskins have recently drafted one of the better defensive lines in football, and they passed on Leonard Williams for a guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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