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1 hour ago, genot said:

Mac isn't going to give up on Lee, who's going into his third season, and is asked to  do much more than Fowler ever was asked to do. Lee had more tackles in his first four games last year than Fowler did the entire year. Fowler is a pass rusher. That's it. And no, I don't think that Lee has played up to level we expected with the 6th pick.

19th pick?

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Jamal Adams should have never been drafted where he was if they did a redraft he’d be a second round pick.  A “ballhawk” who can’t intercept scrubs

Pure nonsense.  

 

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6 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hey how many picks did Adams have last year?

WTF does that have to do with it?  

Hey, how many years has he played?  How dominant was Palomalu in his rookie season?  How many of you haters would be saying the same things about him? 

Sit stil and give it more than a year before trashing everyone, sounds foolish

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5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

It's really not. In the box safety is maybe the least important position in all of defense, and Adams was overdrafted significantly because people fell in love with his leadership. I would never draft any SS in the first round.

yeah, unless you dont understand football.

18 tackles a year ago for Fowler and is a off field problem.  Forgetting why they want to dump him. Nonsense on every level to say hes worth 5 Adams'.

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2 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

How would his trade value go down if he is throwing gems of games ? Real games ? Lol. Especially when more qbs go down with injuries like they always do. Which also could be Bridgewater and then we get zip. I think Mac will not role that dice in effort to try to get more. He will take what he can before reg seasons  and move on with McCown and darnold.  

And you know he's going to throw gems in real games how?  What if he doesn't play well or plays a couple of bad games?  Or worse, gets hurt and then is worthless?  

To me he's passed every test he's had up to now.  He's being talked about on every NFL show as being back and maybe better than before.  How much better can it get than that.  He's never going to look better to others than now.  It's all about whether someone wants a QB, not making him more attractive.

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2 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Lol ! You really think Bridgewater is an idiot ? He signed 3 days before we traded up.. even if he didn’t hear the rumors, he knew we were very likely picking 1 of 4. He is a smart guy, despite half 1 and 1/2 knees

What are you arguing?

Even if he knew, as everyone did, that we would be drafting a QB he has a shot to at least start part of the season and show others he can still play.  T Taylor is starting for at least the early part of the season as the perfect example 

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1 hour ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

A poster made the argument when Bridgewater signed it was only Josh McCown on the roster. We traded up to 3 a few days after he signed. I was arguing he is not stupid, he knew even if we were staying at 6 we still highly likely pick a qb. So he knew he had to likely Beat out 2 capable qbs. There were Other teams with a more shaky qb situation he could have went to. Some act like he actually had the option to pick any team he wanted and just so happened to pick us lol. 

Josh may have been on the roster, not sure, its not that important.  The comment was made because you were trying to prove that he wasnt in demand anywhere because if he was why did he pick the Jets and their crowded QB room.  It wasnt crowded, it had a old journeyman QB and would bring in a rookie.  A scenario where if we drafted a Josh Allen he more than likely would sit.  So hed have McCown to beat out.  If half the league was interested in him the Jets could still with that many teams be the best place to land if trying to show the league you were healthy and ready to resume a career.  Not a big deal or that complicated

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22 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

He would have preferred a decent stable OL to protect his knee no? I’m sure he would have preferred more than 1 mil in guarantee no ? Jets could still cut him before first game and only lose 1 million for him trying out all summer.. I feel bad for the guy, was really a sh*tty market for him despite him working out on the knee, ect.. I’m glad the jets gave him a shot.. 

Wherever he signed that team could have injuries to their OL and then he could wind up playing behind a horrid line, look at Wash a year ago.  Any team could cut him before the first game, thats on him, not the Jets. 

If he played like garbage or the knee acted up we would be screaming to dump him, not to argue keeping him over getting a nice pick or player in return.

 

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Just now, Jetsplayer21 said:

An “old journeyman “ Who had a very nice year and didn’t look his age, unlike Eli. So you are saying he had a good amount of other offers? Just picked jets and their 1 mil guarantee ?  Lol

You really are just arguing to argue arent you.  You cant even give it a thought that McCown and no other QB was a great landing spot for someone trying to prove himself.  The argument that the Jets werent a good spot for him is so pointless especially because it couldnt have really turned out any better unless he picked a team that by luck their starting QB went down  Really need to just move on

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1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

What would you bet on we get for him ? 

I have no idea, who cares what my guess or what anyone elses guesses he'll bring back.  I would think they want to get one of their 2s back, would try and make a case that hes a QB and someone who needs a QB would expect to give up at least a 2 for a QB.  But I have no idea.  I wont bitch if its a three, hell a 4 for someone we signed as a backup plan is still bonus chips

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4 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Fair enough. Of course we want 1 of our 2 back, I don’t see it happening. Lucky for a 4 I think. But hey I hope I’m wrong ha

Exactly, its a free pick.  Of course we're greedy bastards and want the world back but who knows.  Its going to come down to who wants him and why.  If a team loses a starter or thinks TB is a difference maker to the 2018 season he'll bring back a nice return.  If its only a Seattle looking for a 1 year backup to R Wilson we might not get a good offer in return

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3 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Julian Edelman & Stephon Gilmore, DeAndre Hopkins, Evan Engram & Eli Apple, Kyle Long, etc.

If that's a serious reason for staying away from Fowler, it isn't a reason.

  • Being a constant/major locker room cancer (not just him having an issue with someone specific) is a reason.
  • Being a bad football player is a reason.

Depends on who and why.  All players or their situations arent the same.  Just because a good guy is tossed as an example or for a somewhat minor infraction doesnt put them all on the same level.   By all indications this is a bad guy, putting him in the same boat as others doesnt change that.  Any team is going to be leery of bringing this ****nut onto their team

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2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Fowler didn’t throw a punch. As I said above, it seems he was having a bad day. I don’t know, maybe he’s a loon. But on its face getting a 2-day vacation to cool your head, and to separate you from the (noticeably better) guy you were jawing with, isn’t the automatic disqualifier some are making it out to be.

Fowler brought his GF and baby momma together and refereed a fight between the two. Hes a bad guy, no matter how much we want 8 sacks 

Theres a reason the Jags want to dump a 3rd year player, a 3rd pick in the draft after only 2 seasons.  Its not because hes misunderstood or a Ingram, Hopkins or Long

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Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

Really? Lol.

Well whatever. We all saw the footage of an out-of-control Lee with his girlfriend, when Leo intervened. Yet people still defend him like he’s a saint, and he isn’t even a particularly good player either.

I think people are just selectively outraged. Actually I don’t think it, I know it. We all know it.

They want to dump him because they don’t need him, and if they can get something for him - exactly like the Jets with Teddy Bridgewater - why hold onto him as a backup for 1 year when you can get a starter in return? That’s how I see it. 

Whos defending Lee and what would that have to do with it?  If Lee did anything this bad then it would be two POSs, not one.  

Its not selectively outraged, its a horrible situation that he put himself in and shows what kind of dirt bag he is.  He didnt get pissed at someone and overreacted, like when he beat a guys face in over a driving incident.  This was someone who brought his GF and baby momma together to fight.  Youre seriously going to try and make a case for people are being selectively outraged?  Really?  Hes garbage, has proven it more than a few times.  

They want to dump him because hes a POS. Theyre said to want to move him after another incident, not because another player is playing well and they dont need him and his salary.  Youve lumped him normal players and situations to satisfy you wanting him, not out of what he is and brings to the table.  Please stop comparing him to others who arent problems.  its not like the Jets wanting to move TB, a player who isnt needed.   

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21 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I think people are just selectively outraged. Actually I don’t think it, I know it. We all know it.

They want to dump him because they don’t need him, and if they can get something for him - exactly like the Jets with Teddy Bridgewater - why hold onto him as a backup for 1 year when you can get a starter in return? That’s how I see it. 

Selective outrage?

 

 

Or:  http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000820658/article/dante-fowler-arrested-on-two-misdemeanor-charges

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Yes. A 230-pound gym rat about to pummel his petite GF - if that's the end that Leo prevented - is worse than a loon who's going to referee a fight between 2 women who want to fight over him. Both are bad, and both are probably mental, but one act would be worse.

Again, you don't know all their reasons no matter how much you profess to know it all. They can't keep everyone. They have a choice of keeping him for 1 year and getting nothing, or getting something for him now (including maybe a QB upgrade since Bortles is so hit or miss and they're contenders right now). 

Again, youre tyring to make a case for someone by anothers behavior.  Lee has nothing to do with Fowler.  Lee is a Jet who even if he turns out to be a POS nothing in his past shows him in that light, wasnt a flag not to bring him in.

Fowles a completely different case.  Youre trying to convince people to use draft assets to bring someone in who is a known POS.  Not the same in any way shape or form.  I dont agree, youre entitled to your opinion and you have your own standards for bringing in players. 

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8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Is he doing the punching? No. 

Lee looked like he was going to rip her head off himself. Leo saved him because he's actually a decent person who isn't clearly mental.

Are you serious, Is he punching?  SO youre ok with this. And assaulting a driver?  You bring up Lees size NOW?  Hes a small player who now is a 230 lb gym rat?  LOL  And Fowlers what, small?  Who were not guessing might have hit someone, was arrested for an assault.  Good to know what were dealing with here.  Youre comparing this tape to a player who was cleared of doing anything, because a teammate had to separate him and his GF and youre guessing that Lee was going to rip her head off?   

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

He may very well be a total nut who lashes out at anyone he thinks looks at him wrong, but that hasn’t been established. Based on the info we have I think people are reading way too much into it. 

Total denial

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I'm making the case because you're bringing character into it. Meanwhile I don't see you whining that we should dump Lee because he's demonstrated he's mental and quite likely abusive. If anything you come to this asshat's rescue when he gets badmouthed by anyone.

  • Refereeing a match makes him look like an asshat, but going after a petite woman is worse.
  • One looks like major insecurity and immaturity; the other looks like someone who doesn't know basic right from wrong.

Assets are assets. Draft assets are not inherently more valuable than $ assets (especially draft "assets" after round 1 with this GM). It's all relative. There are high draft picks and low draft picks; high $ and low $. The same person constantly cooing and drooling over a GM who's handed out a quarter of a billion dollars in bad contracts and screwed up so many draft picks, is now being selectively outraged about the loss of "draft assets" when that's been the norm here for years. 

Take note: no one is giving up a #6 overall pick for Teddy Bridgewater, so don't worry about draft assets for Macc. Likewise, nobody is advocating trading our 1st round pick for Fowler. So this is all in your head. And all I said is if we were to make this move and fill our edge rusher hole, while keeping our 1st rounder, it would solve that problem very neatly. To you, because you are an inherently dishonest person, this translates to trying to convince people to use draft assets to bring in a known POS.

I could flip your logic back onto you: you're not advocating we trade Lee, so therefore you're advocating we use (bypass) draft assets to keep a known POS. 

And you wouldnt say any of this, put this nonsense down in type if he didnt register 8 stupid sacks a year ago.  Stop already, I dont agree with you, thats it

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

He is small and weak for a linebacker.

He is huge and strong compared to a petite woman.

I could teach a potato chip to grasp this simple concept.

How petite?  Most women are petite next to NFL defensive players, so?   Shes not even in the video where you imagine punches and ripping off of a head.  Youre desperately spinning this into Fowler vs Lee not that Fowler is a POS that some of us are afraid of bringing onto this team.  Thats the point, not what Lee did or didnt do, thats a spin to defend your case for Fowler, nice try though

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I'm not trying to make that case, even though you would like to frame it that way. 

I'm making the case that your personal assessment on the subject is meaningless since you have little to say when it's someone else. Selective outrage.

Me? I think they're both probably mental.

No, youre clouding the issue by bringing in Lee as if him yelling at his girlfriend or whatever else you want to escalate it into exonerates Fowler into the realm of selective outrage.  

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2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

rofl

yeah he's a prince

And you dont have a friggen clue what he is, just are bringing him down to make a case for Fowler.  Isnt a good thing Sperm, its actually a lot worse.  Of course youre not trying to convince anyone, ROFLOL

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50 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You don't know what he is either. Unlike you, though, I don't claim to. 

You've got a video of him decidedly not out of control as referee, and that he got into a yelling match with a teammate after practice. The height of your own inferences based on these 2 events is disproportionate when one considers your comparative silence vs someone like Lee.

You're really not serious.   I'm not discussing this anymore is you're going to make the nonsense argument that bringing two exes together to fight and watching them punch each other out is no big deal.  You've lost it and are far too desperate.

One more time.  Stop trying to convince me, I don't agree.  It's not a crime to disagree here

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3 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

 

That all this misbehavior is happening in his contract year is a bad sign.   Most players get that their next contract will be better if they are playing well and good citizens

That always scares me.  Behave and you make millions.   And somehow he can't.  How can you not just walk the straight and narrow with all that money on the line?  No discipline or dedication to your own career 

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4 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

This is true and this is the reason why our LB's and secondary is always beat like a drum. 

So how is it that the secondary last season was better than the Raiders with Mack?

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36 minutes ago, NYallDay said:


Fine but memories of pass rush specialist maybin play in my head over and over


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Two completely different players

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