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Mac should of traded for flower before the news came out about Mack. Now I think we would have to over pay and be in bidding war with teams that lost out on Mack. Think we could of got flower with a 3rd and 5th now I think it will be two 3rds plus. But hey we need pass rusher do it. Gonna suck watching qbs have all day to pass versus us. comers can only cover so long. 

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If Jacksonville wants more than a 4th for Fowler (I def think he’s worth more than that, but not willing to give up more since we know Jax isn’t resigning him after this season), wait until free agency to sign him.

 

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4 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

This is true and this is the reason why our LB's and secondary is always beat like a drum. 

So how is it that the secondary last season was better than the Raiders with Mack?

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3 hours ago, SR24 said:

Fowler should already be on a plane heading to New Jersey just go out and get the guy. 

Fowler should just play for us. Who says he needs to play for the Jags. It’ll be controversial but he should show up on game day with a green and white jersey.

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35 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

Fowler should just play for us. Who says he needs to play for the Jags. It’ll be controversial but he should show up on game day with a green and white jersey.

Im with it

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3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Yes overpay to lure in a good edge rusher in free agency other teams will also be in the market as well and we all know what happens when the Jets try and sign a free agent and other teams are also trying. We wind up either overpaying or losing out. CB Trumane Johnson is an example we paid him a lot of money.

Oh, wait no.... You think the Bears were biding for Mack in a vacuum? They paid more in a bidding war too for a trade, but unlike Johnson in FA they gave up multiple firsts to pay 100+ million. Context is everything and situational awareness is crucial.

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1 minute ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Oh, wait no.... You think the Bears were biding for Mack in a vacuum? They paid more in a bidding war too for a trade, but unlike Johnson in FA they gave up multiple firsts to pay 100+ million.

regardless of the situation its Jets vs the rest of the NFL 

come on man you been around long enough to see it 

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2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

regardless of the situation its Jets vs the rest of the NFL 

come on man you been around long enough to see it 

Well if you want to talk curse I offered to sacrifice a random board member's kid ritualistically (obviously joking) if it meant we could get Mack for a first and third within the last two or three days. I get it, but I couldn't get on board with the logic presented.

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1 minute ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Well if you want to talk curse I offered to sacrifice a random board member's kid ritualistically (obviously joking) if it meant we could get Mack for a first and third within the last two or three days. I get it, but I couldn't get on board with the logic presented.

Lets see how things play out. 

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On 8/21/2018 at 9:56 AM, GreenFish said:

Darron Lee and a 5th for Fowler. 

Hewitt or Minter can start. And they get Lee who probably fits their defense better. 

You’d probably have to give them our 1st for the Jags to take Lee off our hands. 

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35 minutes ago, David Harris said:

I'd give up a 3rd for Fowler now that we have an extra free one. 

But I'm also fine with just waiting a year - Fowler isn't going to help Darnold and that's all I care about this season.  How good our defense is in 2018 is fairly immaterial over the arc of Sam's career.

All in for 2019.

Actually, a good defense helps with field position which in turn makes the QBs life easier.

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I’d absolutely offer a third for Fowler, I like the idea of seeing him play this season with us before extending him. If he works out then extend/tag him, if he fails then let him walk and sign Ray/Barr.

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15 hours ago, David Harris said:

I'd give up a 3rd for Fowler now that we have an extra free one. 

But I'm also fine with just waiting a year - Fowler isn't going to help Darnold and that's all I care about this season.  How good our defense is in 2018 is fairly immaterial over the arc of Sam's career.

All in for 2019.

If the defense can't get off the field. The offense won't have much time to do anything .And without a pass rush, it's another year of 3rd down failures with our defense.

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Are we overrating Fowler? I admittedly didn't watch Jax much last season, but PFF gave him a pretty bad grade for the season. 

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Fowler is not available unless it’s an offer they can’t refuse.

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JMO but I think Mcc will claim or trade for someone today. He might not be a name but someone that can at least be a designated pass rusher that can put some pressure off the edge and then go for a bigger upgrade next years FA/draft

Fine but memories of pass rush specialist maybin play in my head over and over


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36 minutes ago, NYallDay said:


Fine but memories of pass rush specialist maybin play in my head over and over


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Two completely different players

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For all the panic about our defense not getting of the field on third down, the Giants only converted two of eleven third downs against us. I know, it's only preseason, but the way you read it here you'd think we were giving up 90 yard touchdown drives all the time.

 

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44 minutes ago, NYallDay said:


Fine but memories of pass rush specialist maybin play in my head over and over


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Like Nut said. Different players. Fowler has some functional strength. Maybin had none. Once Maybin was blocked ,it was over.

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16 hours ago, David Harris said:

I'd give up a 3rd for Fowler now that we have an extra free one. 

But I'm also fine with just waiting a year - Fowler isn't going to help Darnold and that's all I care about this season.  How good our defense is in 2018 is fairly immaterial over the arc of Sam's career.

All in for 2019.

Yeah.  I have very mixed feelings about getting Fowler.  Jets need a pass rusher badly.  He's probably the best one who is available.  He is also a problem child.  Not only does he have off field issues, but he seems to have locker room issues.  Not sure they will resign him.

Do the Jets really want to give up a 3rd round pick for what will probably be a one year rental in a year they aren't going to challange?  Next year's draft is loaded with edge rushers.

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This guy is a piece of garbage and not even an impact guy on the field. Strong pass. 

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7 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Yeah.  I have very mixed feelings about getting Fowler.  Jets need a pass rusher badly.  He's probably the best one who is available.  He is also a problem child.  Not only does he have off field issues, but he seems to have locker room issues.  Not sure they will resign him.

Do the Jets really want to give up a 3rd round pick for what will probably be a one year rental in a year they aren't going to challange?  Next year's draft is loaded with edge rushers.

A 3 is way too rich for me to consider for Fowler.  Head case on a one-year contract.  I would not mind seeing them offer a conditional late pick that becomes a 3 or 4 if they re-sign him -- similar to the Percy Harvin deal from a few years back.  If we hadn't given up a 6 in the Bridgewater deal, a conditional 6 would have been perfect. 

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Like Nut said. Different players. Fowler has some functional strength. Maybin had none. Once Maybin was blocked ,it was over.

What I responded too had nothing to do with Fowler.



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3 minutes ago, NYallDay said:


What I responded too had nothing to do with Fowler.



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yea. lol.I assumed it was Fowler. A Fowler thread](*,)

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I’d rather sign Anthony Barr next year.  Better player, better fit, less of a head ache and probably less money.  

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18 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

I’d rather sign Anthony Barr next year.  Better player, better fit, less of a head ache and probably less money.  

Barr is a better fit to replace Lee. He’s not been a pass rusher at the NFL level.

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yea. lol.I assumed it was Fowler. A Fowler thread](*,)

No worries, the pass rush topic gets us all a little amped up around here


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20 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Barr is a better fit to replace Lee. He’s not been a pass rusher at the NFL level.

That’s because he’s playing OLB in a 4-3 with Minny.  Put him outside in a 3-4 and he’ll get to the QB.  

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15 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

That’s because he’s playing OLB in a 4-3 with Minny.  Put him outside in a 3-4 and he’ll get to the QB.  

The problem is that even though Barr seems to have the physicality to be a 3-4 OLB, 4-3 OLBs have usually transitioned to the ILBs. If you sign Barr are you willing to pay him 3-4 OLB money to play a position he’s never played before. Seems like a bad proposition especially when Fowler and more importantly Preston Smith and Brandon Graham will be available. 

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Jax probably doesn't want to budge or else IMO Fowler would be a Jet already....

And I don't think Fowler is the type of player you overpay for....I think you try to get him in a low risk/high reward type of deal as a move for him could easily blow up in our face....

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3 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

That’s because he’s playing OLB in a 4-3 with Minny.  Put him outside in a 3-4 and he’ll get to the QB.  

Bingo

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If I'm JAX and money isn't a serious problem -- what's the incentive to dealing Fowler? They're all in on a SB this year, and can't have enough P.Rushers, regardless if he's not long on the roster. Have to offer them something north of a 4th i bet -- which also means the team would have to be comfortable doing extension. 3rd is too pricey for someone you don't plan on hanging on to... 

tough combo. 

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4 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

Jax probably doesn't want to budge or else IMO Fowler would be a Jet already....

And I don't think Fowler is the type of player you overpay for....I think you try to get him in a low risk/high reward type of deal as a move for him could easily blow up in our face....

Play Fowler for the year and get a conditional 3rd in 2020. Win/Win for Jax.

or wait until the trade deadline. 

Unless Coughlin is totally done with the kid, he won’t be going anywhere imo

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