#27TheDominator Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, j4jets said: They got a net of 4th. Massive difference between a 4th and 2nd. Just like he could get hurt being a bench player, I’m pretty sure other NFL QBs that are starting are at a much higher risk of getting hurt, which would’ve helped our cause and if it didn’t, there was no harm keeping him and netting a 4th round comp as opposed to trading and getting a 4th round pick This is patently false. i showed the math about 3 times above. Absolutely worst case scenario it is the 4th pick in the 4th round. It will almost certainly net a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, jgb said: We paid $1 million to give Macc a 3rd round pick. Let's see what Macc has gotten in the 3rd round thus far: AS HEAD OF COLLEGE SCOUTING FOR TEXANS: 2012: Devier Posey, Brandon Brooks 2013: Brennan Williams, Sam Montgomery 2014: C.J. Fiedorowicz, Louis Nix AS GM NYJ: 2015: Lorenzo Mauldin 2016: Jordan Jenkins I count one solid contributor (Brandon Brooks) who only emerged after Houston let him walk in FA. We paid $1 million AND lost Darnold bust insurance (and a 6th, not that it matters) to get NOTHING. Horrendous deal. what if the extra 3 is going to be ammo for a Mack deal? '19 1st and 3rd for Mack sounds about right. it would still leave the jets with something (albeit not much) to put a line together for darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Hael said: I understand that. However its fair to say a young qb would likely fetch a not insignificant contract on the open market, which is why I wouldn't put his comp draft baseline value lower than the late 4 (and possibly a late 3). Your point is well taken that the Jets would likely have not fetched a comp draft pick due to their rebuilding process, and indeed that's why it was a good trade for both teams. However, the net value we got was a little less than advertised. It is as I said the difference between a third round in 2019 vs a late 3rd or late 4th in 2020 You understand they won't get a comp pick but want to subtract a comp pick from the value? Do not follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: what if the extra 3 is going to be ammo for a Mack deal? '19 1st and 3rd for Mack sounds about right. it would still leave the jets with something (albeit not much) to put a line together for darnold. If I was Woody/Chris, I'd insist Macc try to trade up to top 10 (the only place Macc can pick winners) every year even if you have to give a Ricky Williams-type deal. If you can't, trade away all picks for veteran players. GMs overvalue picks because they overestimate their ability to pick. There's an arbitrage opportunity. All that being said after 5 decades of QB wasteland, you do not trade away good QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, jgb said: If I was Woody/Chris, I'd insist Macc try to trade up to top 10 (the only place Macc can pick winners) every year even if you have to give a Ricky Williams-type deal. If you can't, trade away all picks for veteran players. GMs overvalue picks because they overestimate their ability to pick. There's an arbitrage opportunity. not my point. what i'm saying is - what if Macc had to pull the trigger on the TB deal today so he can make a move for Mack tomorrow? I don't see any reason to move TB now other than ammo for mack. The raiders and mack are done...I don't think the raiders even have the cash to pay Macc if they wanted to. The Jets have cash but are short on '19 picks. This move adds a 3rd which is about the ammo they were missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: not my point. what i'm saying is - what if Macc had to pull the trigger on the TB deal today so he can make a move for Mack tomorrow? I don't see any reason to move TB now other than ammo for mack. The raiders and mack are done...I don't think the raiders even have the cash to pay Macc if they wanted to. The Jets have cash but are short on '19 picks. This move adds a 3rd which is about the ammo they were missing. I hope. Still missing a bit but who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 That's a really good question I say we give him 6 years How long you giving Darnold to prove himself?Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: not my point. what i'm saying is - what if Macc had to pull the trigger on the TB deal today so he can make a move for Mack tomorrow? I don't see any reason to move TB now other than ammo for mack. The raiders and mack are done...I don't think the raiders even have the cash to pay Macc if they wanted to. The Jets have cash but are short on '19 picks. This move adds a 3rd which is about the ammo they were missing. NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Raiders are "giving the impression" to teams they want two first-round picks for holdout DE Khalil Mack. Pelissero says Oakland received "a bunch of calls" regarding Mack's availablity in recent days, but GMs are turned off by Jon Gruden's asking price. No team is going to part with two first-rounders for Mack, especially when they also have to make him one of the league's highest-paid players. Perhaps a deal could happen if the Raiders dropped their asking price to a first- and a third-round pick, but that's not yet in the cards. Yahoo's Charles Robinson recently reported Mack is "likely" to miss regular season games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 So NO basically got an extra sixth rounder, but lost a third rounder, to rent TB for the season. Who know how that will pan out. Maybe great maybe nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: not my point. what i'm saying is - what if Macc had to pull the trigger on the TB deal today so he can make a move for Mack tomorrow? I don't see any reason to move TB now other than ammo for mack. The raiders and mack are done...I don't think the raiders even have the cash to pay Macc if they wanted to. The Jets have cash but are short on '19 picks. This move adds a 3rd which is about the ammo they were missing. Sorry sorry I misread thought what you meant was to move up again next year, my bad. If this 3rd is included in a move for Mack I withdraw my critique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Are there really people complaining about this trade? Bridgewater had zero future here, getting a 3rd for a 6th and Bridgewater is a very good deal. Bridgwater has one year left on his deal. I wish him the best in NO, I always liked him and NO is an easy team to root for as a Jets fan. Lets hope this 3rd nets us a stud guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Klecko73isGod said: Great minds..... What up, Locke? Kleck!! All is well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, NoBowles said: Are there really people complaining about this trade? Bridgewater had zero future here, getting a 3rd for a 6th and Bridgewater is a very good deal. Bridgwater has one year left on his deal. I wish him the best in NO, I always liked him and NO is an easy team to root for as a Jets fan. Lets hope this 3rd nets us a stud guard. I agree. I Did thought we would probably only get a 4th. Being it is the saints and not say the browns, this will probably be a late 3, adding our likely early 6th rounder, this definitely is a mid 4th value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Be happy we didn't get a 2nd. We suck balls in rd 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 This thread is going to be great when he wins Superbowl MVP. Oh and we use the pick on a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Raiders are "giving the impression" to teams they want two first-round picks for holdout DE Khalil Mack. Pelissero says Oakland received "a bunch of calls" regarding Mack's availablity in recent days, but GMs are turned off by Jon Gruden's asking price. No team is going to part with two first-rounders for Mack, especially when they also have to make him one of the league's highest-paid players. Perhaps a deal could happen if the Raiders dropped their asking price to a first- and a third-round pick, but that's not yet in the cards. Yahoo's Charles Robinson recently reported Mack is "likely" to miss regular season games. a 1st and a 3rd would likely get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 For years and years, the initials “TB” stood for our rival QB up north. Then, Bowles came in and caused a ruckus on our forums because some abbreviating enthusiasts don’t understand how to use context. Count me tickled that the Teddy Bridgewater trade will FINALLY reduce the number of lazy “TB” abbreviaters (you know who you are) from carrying on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: a 1st and a 3rd would likely get it done. When? Because if that gets it done now, tomorrow or the weekend Mcc should be in Oakland now to personally sign the trade papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: what if the extra 3 is going to be ammo for a Mack deal? '19 1st and 3rd for Mack sounds about right. it would still leave the jets with something (albeit not much) to put a line together for darnold. For the love of Christ **** no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, New York Mick said: For the love of Christ **** no why not? Maccagnan's drafts are basically Idzik-lite. THe majority of his pick will be out of football by September - Mack is the best defensive player in the NFL. Maccagnan could spend a decade and never draft a player of Mack's caliber - seems like a no-brainer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 54 minutes ago, Warfish said: It's amazing that the Cult of Darnold has reached such a fever pitch that even being unhappy with McCown or Whathisface as the #2 QB is now considered Anti-Darnold blasphemy, and grounds for Buttfumbles, lol. I sure hope Darnold's play is worth putting up with the Cultist Contingent. The President of the Ryan Fitzpatrick Fanclub upset about a “Cult of Darnold” Is Sam’s arm too strong for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: why not? Maccagnan's drafts are basically Idzik-lite. THe majority of his pick will be out of football by September - Mack is the best defensive player in the NFL. Maccagnan could spend a decade and never draft a player of Mack's caliber - seems like a no-brainer to me. It really shows a lot of stupidity given Mac’s mostly putrid draft record fans think two first round picks for a legit pass rusher who instantly improves our defense and makes us a playoff team ... can’t have that what if we miss out another Safety with a Twitter account! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Macc got a second rounder AND Kearse for Sheldon Richardson...hahahahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Sam Darnold as the starting QB and Khalil Mack leading the D Looks a whole light brighter to all those free agents that will be available in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, joewilly12 said: Sam Darnold as the starting QB and Khalil Mack leading the D Looks a whole light brighter to all those free agents that will be available in 2019. It’s a no brainer to trade for Mack plus we will still have plenty of cap room to sign free agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Philc1 said: It’s a no brainer to trade for Mack plus we will still have plenty of cap room to sign free agents Yes you see I am a Genius GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: This is patently false. i showed the math about 3 times above. Absolutely worst case scenario it is the 4th pick in the 4th round. It will almost certainly net a 3rd. I didn’t see the math. You get the point though. Moving the pick 4-6 spots up n down doesn’t really change the overall big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, LionelRichie said: why not? Maccagnan's drafts are basically Idzik-lite. THe majority of his pick will be out of football by September - Mack is the best defensive player in the NFL. Maccagnan could spend a decade and never draft a player of Mack's caliber - seems like a no-brainer to me. As I’ve said before. Darnold is young, he is the key to a SB not a passrusher, he need protection, not condoms, a good oline, he also needs weapons. **** giving away anything for defensive players. Offense only at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 52 minutes ago, LockeJET said: Be happy we didn't get a 2nd. We suck balls in rd 2. Marcus Maye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Copernicus said: Marcus Maye? Is an exception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, New York Mick said: As I’ve said before. Darnold is young, he is the key to a SB not a passrusher, he need protection, not condoms, a good oline, he also needs weapons. **** giving away anything for defensive players. Offense only at this point. Pass rushers never beat Tom Brady just ask JPP, Von Miller and Michael Strahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Copernicus said: Marcus Maye? We're 2 out of last 20. You're right, that's fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, New York Mick said: As I’ve said before. Darnold is young, he is the key to a SB not a passrusher, he need protection, not condoms, a good oline, he also needs weapons. **** giving away anything for defensive players. Offense only at this point. agree in principle but what has macc done in 4 drafts to make you believe he can do any of this through the draft. let them sign weapons and OL and trade theses picks for a future HOF OLB. More ardarius stewarts and chad hansens are not going to help darnold. face it, one of macc's few remaining draft picks was a freaking punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, LionelRichie said: agree in principle but what has macc done in 4 drafts to make you believe he can do any of this through the draft. let them sign weapons and OL and trade theses picks for a future HOF OLB. More ardarius stewarts and chad hansens are not going to help darnold. face it, one of macc's few remaining draft picks was a freaking punter. Mack drafted a 200lb 6 ft tall ILB and a retarded qb back to back and his drafting is what we should rely on to get a pass rush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Pass rushers never beat Tom Brady just ask JPP, Von Miller and Michael Strahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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