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2 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Let me get this straight. Your sig is Defense wins Championships, but you wouldn't give up 2 number 1's for the best defensive player of his generation. When he's age 27. I'm guessing because you feel the Jets will pick two better players with those picks? Unless one of them is named Bosa, that ain't happening.

Best defensive player of his generation? Not a chance. When did he ever lead his D's to consecutive AFC Championship Game appearances? #24 Revis impacted a lot more and truly elevated his defenses. Khalil Mack has never proven throughout the course of a season that he could elevate his D's past anything than mediocre status. 

He's no Ray Lewis. Or even a Darrelle Revis. He's an individual statistical OLB/DE who's never won a damn thing (just ask Buffalo/Oakland). 

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6 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

 

Remember Gruden told Keshawn to GFY and cut him.   Worked out OK for Gruden.  

K Johnson was a legend in his own mind.( he wasn't Tampabay down fall, it was Gruden inability to draft a young Qb) .

   Sure probably the Raiders will never draft a talent like K Mack ( once in a lifetime talent) . One player doesn't make a defense , and you have to see the defense the Raiders eventually put out there.     Will the defense be great with more parts ( ability to pay a lot more guys)than having one superstar  defensive player getting Qb money . ( going to effect your ability to keep a lot of guys around him on defense. 

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1 minute ago, 14 in Green said:

Who's better?

Revis for one.

He shut down great QB's and eliminated their #1 receivers at the same time. 

He led a would have been above average defense into great one's and truly LED THEM to two AFC Championship Games behind crap offenses. 

Mack is being severely overrated. 

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1 minute ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Best defensive player of his generation? Not a chance. When did he ever lead his D's to consecutive AFC Championship Game appearances? #24 Revis impacted a lot more and truly elevated his defenses. Khalil Mack has never proven throughout the course of a season that he could elevate his D's past anything than mediocre status. 

He's no Ray Lewis. Or even a Darrelle Revis. He's an individual statistical OLB/DE who's never won a damn thing (just ask Buffalo/Oakland). 

In football terms Ray Lewis and Revis are a DIFFERENT generation. They were both either retired or played out when Mack came in the league. To continue your logic about Super Bowls, David Woodley was a better QB for the Dolphins then Dan Marino, right?

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2 minutes ago, nico002 said:

JJ watt 

von Miller 

aaron Donald 

just two name a couple 

Mack has had zero impact in the league- how have the Raiders defenses ranked?

No. No. and No.

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2 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

K Johnson was a legend in his own mind.( he wasn't Tampabay down fall, it was Gruden inability to draft a young Qb) .

   Sure probably the Raiders will never draft a talent like K Mack ( once in a lifetime talent) . One player doesn't make a defense , and you have to see the defense the Raiders eventually put out there.     Will the defense be great with more parts ( ability to pay a lot more guys)than having one superstar  defensive player getting Qb money . ( going to effect your ability to keep a lot of guys around him on defense. 

You guys fleeced the Bears. A.) Chicago will never win a title after giving up everything they did along with having to pay Mack and B.) Two 1st round picks can change your entire Franchise being build around Derek Carr. 

How crappy were your Raiders Defenses being "led" by Mack? Exactly. 

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1 minute ago, nico002 said:

JJ watt 

von Miller 

aaron Donald 

just two name a couple 

Mack has had zero impact in the league- how have the Raiders defenses ranked?

That's just silly . k Mack is one of the best players on defense in this league . ( he doesn't take a back seat to any of those players)  Those other players you mention just had better pieces around them .  Football still a team game, and not just how great an indivisible is. ( 11 guys are on defense). 

  Why it was a shame K Mack never got to play with the youngsters the Raiders brought in this year.     Just would have freed him up to have a real special year.  Sucks that they traded him without getting anything to help the 2018 team out .

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5 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

That's just silly . k Mack is one of the best players on defense in this league . ( he doesn't take a back seat to any of those players)  Those other players you mention just had better pieces around them .  Football still a team game, and not just how great an indivisible is. ( 11 guys are on defense). 

  Why it was a shame K Mack never got to play with the youngsters the Raiders brought in this year.     Just would have freed him up to have a real special year.  Sucks that they traded him without getting anything to help the 2018 team out .

How has Mack impacted the game since one legged #12 came back in the game?

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1 hour ago, Raideraholic said:

The Raiders weren't ever going to trade K Mack  to an Afc team- especially the Jets. It was pure fantasy he was ever going to be a Jet. 

On 8/23/2018 at 3:43 PM, Raideraholic said:

Again Mack under contract , and isn't going anywhere.   He will be there week one against the Rams.  Of course going from California high taxes to Nevada with no State taxes saves the Raiders a lot of money.  ( silly for someone to not understand that.)

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6 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

You guys fleeced the Bears. A.) Chicago will never win a title after giving up everything they did along with having to pay Mack and B.) Two 1st round picks can change your entire Franchise being build around Derek Carr. 

How crappy were your Raiders Defenses being "led" by Mack? Exactly. 

Raiders defensive coordinators weren't very good the years K Mack was a Raider. ( that is a fact) .   Paul Guenther is a legitimate DC who would have freed up K Mack to become without a doubt the best defender in football. ( K Mack will get much better the next couple of years- still has a lot room for improvement.  

Case in point you take K Mack rookie year versus Arden Key now.    Key has a lot more pass rushing moves than Mack had his rookie year.   K Mack needs to incorporate more of his pass rushing moves, than rely just on power. ( more time goes on he will understand this). 

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Just now, Raideraholic said:

Raiders defensive coordinators weren't very good the years K Mack was a Raider. ( that is a fact) .   Paul Guenther is a legitimate DC who would have freed up K Mack to become without a doubt the best defender in football. ( K Mack will get much better the next couple of years- still has a lot room for improvement.  

Case in point you take K Mack rookie year versus Arden Key now.    Key has a lot more pass rushing moves than Mack had his rookie year.   K Mack needs to incorporate more of his pass rushing moves, than rely just on power. ( more time goes on he will understand this). 

You seem to be having Mack withdrawal. You should try and move on. Its unhealthy.

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