HelenOfTroy Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Beerfish said: You missed the point, the whole team wanted him fired in year one and or two because he was too tough. Just like Detroit is doing after one game to a rookie coach. Losing teams bitch about hard coaches winning teams don't until the players leave. See the NE Pats. Players past, present and probably future hate Bellis guts, but they win and they win a lot. I didn't miss the point as you stated... "Everyone hated tom coughlin until he gave them two super bowl rings. It usually takes longer than one bad game for people to beef though. F'ing millennials" Coughlin changed his còaching style, the players responded to the change, then played their hearts out for him. I know one of the players with a ring on that team who played for USC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: What I’ll never understand is why owners and GM’s never consult any of you before making a coaching hire or draft pick. You guys bring so much knowledge to the table. Such an untapped resource. I wonder why they haven’t taken advantage yet. I choose to withhold my services in the name of purity. I won't be around forever, but the Jets will. They need to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 He's going to be depressed. More chips and queso for the bearded Pillsbury Dough Boy. It ain't gonna be any prettier by season end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets0712 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Force fed yet named his kid after him.. smhThat’s because woody told him too Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 hours ago, johnnysd said: I think that the coaches like Patricia that get HC gigs are nothing like Belichick so using his methods do not work. Belicheat's methods didn't work either, until Mo Lewis destroyed Drew Bledsoe. 5-13 with the Patriots prior to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Integrity28 said: I hope he goes down in flames. Beli didn’t become a hard on for rules until him had the veterans to enforces them, and the wins to validate them. Can’t just transpose Belis way to a new situation, without the aforementioned variables. This a 1000 times over. Mangini made the same mistake here. These guys are misguided to think that the "Belichick way" wins ball games. No it doesn't. Scheme and talent does. Colin Cowherd made a good point in a video posted in another thread. Belichick is a genius and geniuses make horrible mentors. Instead, mentees end up trying to mimic the genius rather than learning what makes that person great and how that greatness can translate into their own work. No amount of rules are going to make a team good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Gruden is probably the most overrated coach in the history of the nfl. Gruden won a SB because his idiot former OC didn't change the offensive play calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 5 hours ago, prime21 said: Want's to be like his mentor. He's probably asking why they didnt stop him the day he was packing up his office. On another note, does he ever actually use that pencil? Isn't the play card laminated? It's a spy cam on one end, a deflator needle on the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 He’ll get fired by the 3rd quarter this Sunday. Too bad we don’t play them twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Jets0712 said: I think Mangini was building something here until he got force fed favre. He should have been his own guy. He tried as well to be like belicheat. Well never know what could’ve been there. Also I think tomlin is overrated also Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app No, he wasn't. If he were doing anything good, he would still be in coaching or management. He basically took Herm Edwards' team and ran it into the ground. He presided over (and is widely credited with) the draft of Vernon Gholston, the biggest Jets bust, which is saying a lot, of all time. ManGenius? ManDummy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: I don’t remember anyone around here worrying about Rex Ryan being grossly obese when we hired him The comments about Patricia’s weight are nonsense. Shout out to all the fat people at JN yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Why did they show Patricia on the sidelines every 2 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, roscoeword said: Why did they show Patricia on the sidelines every 2 minutes? Because Darnold's beauty was too intense for a national audience. They had to limit the shots of him and counterbalance the effects by showing that fat f*ck a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 hours ago, BroadwayRay said: I don’t remember anyone around here worrying about Rex Ryan being grossly obese when we hired him The comments about Patricia’s weight are nonsense. Fat Rex won games, beat Tom Brady several times, and went to 2 AFCCGs. Skinny Rex didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 11 hours ago, prime21 said: Want's to be like his mentor. He's probably asking why they didnt stop him the day he was packing up his office. On another note, does he ever actually use that pencil? Isn't the play card laminated? He didn't have the pencil in the first half guess it emerged in the second half when his team was getting their asses kicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Jets0712 said: I think Mangini was building something here until he got force fed favre. He should have been his own guy. He tried as well to be like belicheat. Well never know what could’ve been there. Also I think tomlin is overrated also Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Agreed on all points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 12 hours ago, CTM said: 100%, some who clearly isnt strict about his diet or dedicated in the gym trying to push that on players is going to have a hard time unless he has a monster resume I remember Parcells used to bark “I’m going to be the only fat guy around here”. But he did have a resume so I guess it doesn’t disprove your point. Tbh, I still don’t agree that a HC has to be in shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Matt39 said: Rex got the lap band surgery for health reasons. He also wasnt a disciplinarian. Hard to enforce rules when you cant control yourself. Mangini had the same issues. The unkempt beard and the dopey pencil/backwards hat combo dont help either. Amazing how “The Patriot Way” never works when Tom Brady isn’t the qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 7 hours ago, SMC said: Gruden won a SB because his idiot former OC didn't change the offensive play calls. He also built the team he was facing and knew all of Rich Gannon’s weaknesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 7 hours ago, SMC said: This a 1000 times over. Mangini made the same mistake here. These guys are misguided to think that the "Belichick way" wins ball games. No it doesn't. Scheme and talent does. Colin Cowherd made a good point in a video posted in another thread. Belichick is a genius and geniuses make horrible mentors. Instead, mentees end up trying to mimic the genius rather than learning what makes that person great and how that greatness can translate into their own work. No amount of rules are going to make a team good. I’ll go on the record and say I thought Patricia could be ok or at least better than his fellow Disciples of Belichick like Mangini and McDaniels To me I think there are two bigger problems so far: 1. He forgot to change hand signals and audible terminology before a regular season game and 2. He put in Stafford after he got the crap beaten out of him and the game was clearly over Players bitching about running sprints is one thing. Those 2 things are negligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I remember Parcells used to bark “I’m going to be the only fat guy around here”. But he did have a resume so I guess it doesn’t disprove your point. Tbh, I still don’t agree that a HC has to be in shape. They dont. It's difficult to be a hardass coach with today's players to begin with. Being a rookie and a fat slob just makes it that much more difficult to pull off. When players dont buy into what you are doing performance suffers. It's harder to buy into a fat guy making you work physically harder than your peers on other teams because of the inherent hypocrisy. Imagine your boss forcing you to working 10 hrs of unpaid overtime a week and how much harder that would be to accept if he or she worked 20 hrs a week total versus if they worked 80. Same concept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, CTM said: They dont. It's difficult to be a hardass coach with today's players to begin with. Being a rookie and a fat slob just makes it that much more difficult to pull off. When players dont buy into what you are doing performance suffers. It's harder to buy into a fat guy making you work physically harder than your peers on other teams because of the inherent hypocrisy. Imagine your boss forcing you to working 10 hrs of unpaid overtime a week and how much harder that would be to accept if he or she worked 20 hrs a week total versus if they worked 80. Same concept Are you implying overweight leaders are usually bad leaders? Cuz I can think of one off the top of my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 it's one game. i'm not rooting for patricia to succeed because he was part of those slimy patsies but to try and draw any conclusions after one game is foolish. imo caldwell was more of a player's coach and so patricia is necessarily going to rub a lot of those vet players the wrong way. he's going to need a couple of seasons and personnel changes before he gets it right. there are some parallels between the jets and the lions because the owners are both rich guys who tend to interfere at the wrong times. we'll see what happens. it's doubtful if they can beat out the packers or the vikings at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Jets0712 said: I think Mangini was building something here until he got force fed favre. He should have been his own guy. He tried as well to be like belicheat. Well never know what could’ve been there. Also I think tomlin is overrated also Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app He was building a team that would have missed the playoffs or gotten bounced in the wildcard game with noodle arm Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 8 hours ago, SMC said: This a 1000 times over. Mangini made the same mistake here. These guys are misguided to think that the "Belichick way" wins ball games. No it doesn't. Scheme and talent does. Colin Cowherd made a good point in a video posted in another thread. Belichick is a genius and geniuses make horrible mentors. Instead, mentees end up trying to mimic the genius rather than learning what makes that person great and how that greatness can translate into their own work. No amount of rules are going to make a team good. Vet players dictate the dynamics and accountability. Beli didn’t create the ‘patriot way’ guys like mcginest, bruschi, etc did. Beli just normalized it. It has to come from players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 10 hours ago, 14 in Green said: We’re very fortunate to have so many brilliant football minds commenting here on this. What I’ll never understand is why owners and GM’s never consult any of you before making a coaching hire or draft pick. You guys bring so much knowledge to the table. Such an untapped resource. I wonder why they haven’t taken advantage yet. ? Maybe not this time but they certainly listened to me to go get Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Getting a 48-ball dropped on you on National TV at home in your first game will lead to grumblings. A win here or there and it all goes away. Newsflash. Bowles is probably not the genius that some are painting him to be this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Philc1 said: Are you implying overweight leaders are usually bad leaders? Cuz I can think of one off the top of my head... No, I'm implying it's more difficult for them to get buy in though particularly in a sport where the people you are leading are uber fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 16 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Cheating is responsible for the Patriots success. I repeat, Cheating is responsible for the Patriots success. There's a reason why none of the coaching techniques or methods that Belicheat uses works outside of NE. His best coaching technique is letting Tom Brady touch the ball 70 times per game. Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 10 hours ago, roscoeword said: Why did they show Patricia on the sidelines every 2 minutes? Because they wanted to capture the heart attack as it happened on national tv. If it bleeds it leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 10 hours ago, phill1c said: No, he wasn't. If he were doing anything good, he would still be in coaching or management. He basically took Herm Edwards' team and ran it into the ground. He presided over (and is widely credited with) the draft of Vernon Gholston, the biggest Jets bust, which is saying a lot, of all time. ManGenius? ManDummy!! This is a ludicrous take. Herm drove the Parcells team into the ground and Mangini took over a team with little to no talent on it and oversaw an excellent rebuild that Rex capitalized on. Mangini wasn't a good coach but the idea that he "drove a team into the ground" is completely idiotic. The team Mangini left in 2008 was 10000x better than the team he took over in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 This is a ludicrous take. Herm drove the Parcells team into the ground and Mangini took over a team with little to no talent on it and oversaw an excellent rebuild that Rex capitalized on. Mangini wasn't a good coach but the idea that he "drove a team into the ground" is completely idiotic. The team Mangini left in 2008 was 10000x better than the team he took over in 2006.This is correct. Yes he did blow the ghost pick but he brought in a major influx of talent including brick and mangold in his first draft. I believe mawae and Jenkins were big FA pick ups during his tenure as well. Monsters on the line!!!He even gave us the fifth pick in the Sanchez draft for chump change. lol One thing it’s hard to take from mangini is his personnel moves for the jets. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 16 hours ago, Kleckineau said: Yes he did look horribly obese but TV adds 80lbs So your saying him looking like a 450lber means he’s really only 370 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 The thing is if you are going to be soft be soft on everyone if you are going to be a hard ass be a hard ass on everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Philc1 said: Are you implying overweight leaders are usually bad leaders? Cuz I can think of one off the top of my head... Taft? Tony Soprano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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