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That’s the problem with pandering to the “fire Bowles” crowd. Most of them are knee jerk reaction types who follow the crowd with “it’s all the coach’s fault” posts. We’re ayear away from this decision, with almost a full season of trying to develop a rookie QB still ahead of us. Let’s see how this year plays out first.

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5 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

That’s the problem with pandering to the “fire Bowles” crowd. Most of them are knee jerk reaction types who follow the crowd with “it’s all the coach’s fault” posts. We’re ayear away from this decision, with almost a full season of trying to develop a rookie QB still ahead of us. Let’s see how this year plays out first.

Were you happy with the coaching Sunday?

How about getting into the red zone at the end of the first half and letting the clock die with us on the one and no points?

How about exploiting the mismatch we had with rb on their LB?  A couple passes to Powell.  No use of speedy Trent Cannon.  Few screens or draw plays to slow the pass rush.

How about field position - our punt returner watched several punts just roll inside our 5 without fielding them.

How about getting his team up and ready to play for the home opener?

Avoiding stupid back breaking penalties?  We had both penalty killing drives for us and penalty sustaining drives for them.

How about clock management?   It’s the 4 th quarter you’re down by two scores and you run and don’t do hurry up offense or show any sense of urgency?

I haven’t been a fan since his first yr but he seems like a decent guy and Iwas hoping he might grow into the job.   I’m not seeing it

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Defilipo is barely experienced on how to be an OC.  No telling if he has the connections to fill out his staff competently or not.  Believe it or not, of the guys on that list that would be willing to coach in the NFL next year, Bowles is better than every one them.

Shaw and Lincoln Riley are not coming to the NFL.  And the Washington HC is too old to cut his teeth now.

Losing happens in the NFL.  Let the season play out and if we are no better a team than we were last year or if Darnold regresss, then we can consider it.

But through 2 games, if you compare Darnold with every rookie QB to start since 2008, he is in the top 3 or 4 in completion percentage, yards passing, yards per attempt, and TD passes.  So I think we are well on our way.

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Fire Bowles? It’s not about this year, it’s about developing Darnold which seems to be going well under Bates. This is a 7 to 8 win team. If we get lucky maybe 9 or if we miss a game winning FG maybe a 7 win team. Every time we lose a game are we going to get one of these stupid threads? 

 

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7 hours ago, David Harris said:

Jeremy Bates needs to be the HC or OC - I love what he’s doing with Sam.

morton was looking pretty good at this time last season too.  it's way too early but i do think there is a win record bowles needs to get to no matter what woody/chris say in public.

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Bowles is back if: 

- Darnold & young Defense develop well

- Team finishes around .500 or greater.

Bowles is gone if:

- Another 5-11 season

- He stunts Darnold’s growth

- Bates isn’t up to the task (Bowles hired him to develop Darnold)

- A big name coach with experience becomes available (a Harbaugh, Payton, Holmgren, whoever)

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7 hours ago, David Harris said:

Jeremy Bates needs to be the HC or OC - I love what he’s doing with Sam.

I think the way we should be looking at this is what other head coaches are on the hot seat & which defensive coordinators will be on the street.

Elevate Bates (Most important coach right now because of Darnold). Find the best DC on the street. Just imagine a veteran DC coming in & Chris Johnson gives him this mandate, "We need to be top 15 not 25 like we were under Todd Bowles". 

Not that tough of an assignment guys & girls. This team has always rewarded mediocrity. Bowles is as mediocre as you get. He's a defensive Bruce Coslett & our organization can't see it.

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6 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

Were you happy with the coaching Sunday?

How about getting into the red zone at the end of the first half and letting the clock die with us on the one and no points?

How about exploiting the mismatch we had with rb on their LB?  A couple passes to Powell.  No use of speedy Trent Cannon.  Few screens or draw plays to slow the pass rush.

How about field position - our punt returner watched several punts just roll inside our 5 without fielding them.

How about getting his team up and ready to play for the home opener?

Avoiding stupid back breaking penalties?  We had both penalty killing drives for us and penalty sustaining drives for them.

How about clock management?   It’s the 4 th quarter you’re down by two scores and you run and don’t do hurry up offense or show any sense of urgency?

I haven’t been a fan since his first yr but he seems like a decent guy and Iwas hoping he might grow into the job.   I’m not seeing it

I actually don't think Johnson replaces Todd Blowes unless he has 2 bad years in a row.  Johnson might want a payoff run next year, too.  Who knows?

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I don't see what the problem is.

Jets are 5th in defensive yards allowed.

Jets are 8th in defensive passing yards.

Jets are 11th in defensive rushing yards.

The collective critical psyche of this board prior to the season seemed to be that with Bowles being a supposed defensive specialist that he needed to finish in the top 1/2 of the league in order to return. We were told that was impossible, that they would be near last in those categories.

Seems like mission accomplished so far.

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4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I don't see what the problem is.

Jets are 5th in defensive yards allowed.

Jets are 8th in defensive passing yards.

Jets are 11th in defensive rushing yards.

The collective critical psyche of this board prior to the season seemed to be that with Bowles being a supposed defensive specialist that he needed to finish in the top 1/2 of the league in order to return. We were told that was impossible, that they would be near last in those categories.

Seems like mission accomplished so far.

I’m not a Bowles supporter but so far the defense has been fine for one that lacks a pass rusher. It’s way to early and too small of a sample size. I worry more about penalties, clock management and adjustments/gameplan for the early part of the season.

Both games were way too different to it’s too early to make a judgement. To be fair, literally nothing went our way last game in regards to luck. Pretty much everything that could go wrong, did. Especially stuff that was out of control. No sense in getting worked up until at least a few games are played and we have a better idea. Our first 2 couldn’t be anymore different and things are inconclusive.

The frustration stems from his prior performances and history of underperforming here and not seeming to grow as a coach. He has an extremely short leash with the fanbase at this point so seeing emotion is to be expected.

I’m sure everyone here that’s anti-Bowles wishes that they were wrong and wants him to prove us otherwise but many of us are preparing for what’s more likely and have already seen enough. 

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52 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

- Bates isn’t up to the task (Bowles hired him to develop Darnold)

All of the Jets front office moves last year were designed to attract Kirk Cousins. Mac and Bowles were extended to give the impression of organizational stability. Bates and Dennison were hired in their roles under Mike Shanahan to offer Cousins a system he was already comfortable and successful in. The basis for Darnold's protracted contract negotiations were about making it more difficult to void his guarantees - a move his agent made specifically because he saw thru the Jets illusion of organizational stability. His concern was that a new front office might want to move on from Darnold, and would therefore try to find some easy disciplinary measure to take some money back from him. 

Developing Darnold only became Bates' job once Cousins turned the Jets down. And now developing him could be a double-edged sword for the staff. In a world where Darnold really looks the part, but the team is not -as in, the rest of the season looks a lot like Sunday- the organization could decide that cutting bait with Bowles and Mac while Darnold is still early in his rookie contract might be their best hope to win a championship before Sam becomes the highest paid player in the league. 

Bates could get consideration at that point, I suppose, but keeping Mac and promoting Bates would feel a lot like they were just spinning their wheels. Another first time coach would not be the hire there. You'd want a guy with the experience of running an organization (hopefully with success) so that there's no learning on the job period for the head coach while they're trying to take advantage of Darnold's rookie deal. Shaw or Harbaugh would probably be the only guys on this list that I might be interested in at this point in time. 

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10 minutes ago, slats said:

All of the Jets front office moves last year were designed to attract Kirk Cousins. Mac and Bowles were extended to give the impression of organizational stability. Bates and Dennison were hired in their roles under Mike Shanahan to offer Cousins a system he was already comfortable and successful in. The basis for Darnold's protracted contract negotiations were about making it more difficult to void his guarantees - a move his agent made specifically because he saw thru the Jets illusion of organizational stability. His concern was that a new front office might want to move on from Darnold, and would therefore try to find some easy disciplinary measure to take some money back from him. 

Developing Darnold only became Bates' job once Cousins turned the Jets down. And now developing him could be a double-edged sword for the staff. In a world where Darnold really looks the part, but the team is not -as in, the rest of the season looks a lot like Sunday- the organization could decide that cutting bait with Bowles and Mac while Darnold is still early in his rookie contract might be their best hope to win a championship before Sam becomes the highest paid player in the league. 

Bates could get consideration at that point, I suppose, but keeping Mac and promoting Bates would feel a lot like they were just spinning their wheels. Another first time coach would not be the hire there. You'd want a guy with the experience of running an organization (hopefully with success) so that there's no learning on the job period for the head coach while they're trying to take advantage of Darnold's rookie deal. Shaw or Harbaugh would probably be the only guys on this list that I might be interested in at this point in time. 

 

This is very interesting. We are trying to become a decent destination for players and coaches which is why it would have been a bad idea to fire Bowles after last year. We need to show that we are reasonable, patient and trying to actually build a winning program the right way.

I wanted Rex gone and it was the right move but Bowles is similar in many ways and worse than Rex. I think he will seal his fate this year as a coach unless the Jets are at least 8-8. We don’t have time to waste now that we have a FQB on a cheap rookie deal. It’s difficult to find candidates but who can really be much worse than him? It’s worth the risk. 

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Every HC has strengths and weaknesses. I think Bowles does well in the area that a lot of guys who fail at HC don't. He's great at organization and culture. This may seem silly and mundane, and I know it's not sexy, but it is what makes a team a perennial winner once you've added talented players, especially a franchise QB. The guys that coordinate the O and D come and go, as do many of the players. But, put a franchise QB into a stable environment and the sky is the limit. Very few great QBs have their HC swapped out constantly. And firing Bowles to replace him with either an unknown commodity or a carpetbagger will inevitably lead to instability, multiple HC's, changes in routine and culture, and result in the kind of volatility that ruins a franchise QB's career. 

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2 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

Were you happy with the coaching Sunday?

How about getting into the red zone at the end of the first half and letting the clock die with us on the one and no points?

How about exploiting the mismatch we had with rb on their LB?  A couple passes to Powell.  No use of speedy Trent Cannon.  Few screens or draw plays to slow the pass rush.

How about field position - our punt returner watched several punts just roll inside our 5 without fielding them.

How about getting his team up and ready to play for the home opener?

Avoiding stupid back breaking penalties?  We had both penalty killing drives for us and penalty sustaining drives for them.

How about clock management?   It’s the 4 th quarter you’re down by two scores and you run and don’t do hurry up offense or show any sense of urgency?

I haven’t been a fan since his first yr but he seems like a decent guy and Iwas hoping he might grow into the job.   I’m not seeing it

Maybe you should put your application in you head coach. It seems like a pretty easy job I’m sure you would be a good candidate.

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45 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I don't see what the problem is.

Jets are 5th in defensive yards allowed.

Jets are 8th in defensive passing yards.

Jets are 11th in defensive rushing yards.

The collective critical psyche of this board prior to the season seemed to be that with Bowles being a supposed defensive specialist that he needed to finish in the top 1/2 of the league in order to return. We were told that was impossible, that they would be near last in those categories.

Seems like mission accomplished so far.

They’ve only played 2 games, so in my opinion, being impressed by such stats is a bit premature. 

That last defensive stand was not only hard to watch but flat out disappointing ... again.

is this defensive coach ever gonna put up a stand when it really counts?

the jury is still out.

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50 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I don't see what the problem is.

Jets are 5th in defensive yards allowed.

Jets are 8th in defensive passing yards.

Jets are 11th in defensive rushing yards.

The collective critical psyche of this board prior to the season seemed to be that with Bowles being a supposed defensive specialist that he needed to finish in the top 1/2 of the league in order to return. We were told that was impossible, that they would be near last in those categories.

Seems like mission accomplished so far.

Interesting statistics.

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1 hour ago, slats said:

All of the Jets front office moves last year were designed to attract Kirk Cousins. Mac and Bowles were extended to give the impression of organizational stability. Bates and Dennison were hired in their roles under Mike Shanahan to offer Cousins a system he was already comfortable and successful in. The basis for Darnold's protracted contract negotiations were about making it more difficult to void his guarantees - a move his agent made specifically because he saw thru the Jets illusion of organizational stability. His concern was that a new front office might want to move on from Darnold, and would therefore try to find some easy disciplinary measure to take some money back from him. 

Developing Darnold only became Bates' job once Cousins turned the Jets down. And now developing him could be a double-edged sword for the staff. In a world where Darnold really looks the part, but the team is not -as in, the rest of the season looks a lot like Sunday- the organization could decide that cutting bait with Bowles and Mac while Darnold is still early in his rookie contract might be their best hope to win a championship before Sam becomes the highest paid player in the league. 

Bates could get consideration at that point, I suppose, but keeping Mac and promoting Bates would feel a lot like they were just spinning their wheels. Another first time coach would not be the hire there. You'd want a guy with the experience of running an organization (hopefully with success) so that there's no learning on the job period for the head coach while they're trying to take advantage of Darnold's rookie deal. Shaw or Harbaugh would probably be the only guys on this list that I might be interested in at this point in time. 

When I said Bates isnt up to the task, I meant as an OC, not potential HC. I didnt explain that well enough. My point is, Chris Johnson should blame Bowles if Bates sucks at developing Darnold; since Bowles hired Bates. If Bowels can’t get the right coaches for the most important commodity this franchise has had in 45 years, then Bowles should go. And I’m not even a Bowles hater, but if you’re not an offensive HC, you have to be able to hire good OC/QB coaches...or youre just another rex ryan.

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14 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

When I said Bates isnt up to the task, I meant as an OC, not potential HC. I didnt explain that well enough. My point is, Chris Johnson should blame Bowles if Bates sucks at developing Darnold; since Bowles hired Bates. If Bowels can’t get the right coaches for the most important commodity this franchise has had in 45 years, then Bowles should go. And I’m not even a Bowles hater, but if you’re not an offensive HC, you have to be able to hire good OC/QB coaches...or youre just another rex ryan.

I understood your post. I wasn't disagreeing with it, just using it to riff off of. :) 

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1 hour ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

They’ve only played 2 games, so in my opinion, being impressed by such stats is a bit premature. 

That last defensive stand was not only hard to watch but flat out disappointing ... again.

is this defensive coach ever gonna put up a stand when it really counts?

the jury is still out.

Too soon to talk about what they've done well in a thread talking about firing the same people after the same number of games?  

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