JetNation Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 After Thursday’s disappointing loss to the Browns in Baker Mayfield’s regular season debut, one thing is for certain. Todd Bowles needs to clean up the Jets locker room. The team’s immaturity manifested itself when running back Isaiah Crowell drew a flag for “wiping” his rear end with the football during a TD celebration before launching the ball into the crowd in Cleveland. The Jets lack of discipline has never been clearer than when this incident happened. Now, Jet fans are asking when players will be held accountable for their immature actions on the field? Todd Bowles was brought in as a disciplinarian head coach, and now many are left wondering why he has not put an end to careless penalties. Over the course of the past few seasons with Bowles in charge, there have been numerous offseason incidents, stupid penalties, and distractions which have impacted the Jets on field play. One of the reasons Woody Johnson hired Bowles was because he wanted a 21st-century disciplinarian to tighten up the loose ends that marked the Rex Ryan era, -Rich Cimini, ESPN New York, Aug 13, 2015 Not only was the loss to the Browns itself embarrassing, but the fact that the loss was due largely to stupid penalties was even more painful and it should make Todd Bowles’ seat just a bit warmer. Under Bowles, the Jets have yet to prove they can act like professionals both on and off the field, and it’s because of this lack of professionalism that the Jets suffered a second consecutive loss in which they had every chance to win, but found a way to give it back. When commenting on the penalties, Bowles had this to say: “Well, the penalties are definitely on the players. Coaches can’t play for them.” While you could make the case for players being accountable for their mental and physical mistakes on the field, it’s the extra curricular stuff that happens after the whistle that’s alarming. Wiping yourself with the ball, taunting an opponent in some way shape or fashion, are all actions that players have to feel comfortable doing, knowing the discipline that faces them later isn’t prohibitive if it exists at all. Look no further than Crowell’s post game comments after Bowles had spoken to him about his actions, appearing less than remorseful while discussing the incident. File this under things I thought I’d never ask an athlete: Using a football to wipe his butt. #Jets pic.twitter.com/DGs1SOHWdZ — Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) September 21, 2018 It would appear Bowles does not understand that penalties, and what players do on the field is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. At this point, frustrations are running high around the Jets performance since their win in Detroit, and if Bowles doesn’t turn around the Jets behavior, the Jets could be in for a long season. The post Bowles Says Penalties Are Not On Him appeared first on JetNation.com (NY Jets Blog & Forum). Click here to read the full story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Cool story bro, you are still getting fired because whether you are out there getting the penalties yourself or not, you are still responsible being that you are HC, dummy. Because Crowell wouldn’t feel comfortable pulling that asshat move in front of Belicheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 34 minutes ago, JetNation said: After Thursday’s disappointing loss to the Browns in Baker Mayfield’s regular season debut, one thing is for certain. Todd Bowles needs to clean up the Jets locker room. The team’s immaturity manifested itself when running back Isaiah Crowell drew a flag for “wiping” his rear end with the football during a TD celebration before launching the ball into the crowd in Cleveland. The Jets lack of discipline has never been clearer than when this incident happened. Now, Jet fans are asking when players will be held accountable for their immature actions on the field? Todd Bowles was brought in as a disciplinarian head coach, and now many are left wondering why he has not put an end to careless penalties. Over the course of the past few seasons with Bowles in charge, there have been numerous offseason incidents, stupid penalties, and distractions which have impacted the Jets on field play. One of the reasons Woody Johnson hired Bowles was because he wanted a 21st-century disciplinarian to tighten up the loose ends that marked the Rex Ryan era, -Rich Cimini, ESPN New York, Aug 13, 2015 Not only was the loss to the Browns itself embarrassing, but the fact that the loss was due largely to stupid penalties was even more painful and it should make Todd Bowles’ seat just a bit warmer. Under Bowles, the Jets have yet to prove they can act like professionals both on and off the field, and it’s because of this lack of professionalism that the Jets suffered a second consecutive loss in which they had every chance to win, but found a way to give it back. When commenting on the penalties, Bowles had this to say: “Well, the penalties are definitely on the players. Coaches can’t play for them.” While you could make the case for players being accountable for their mental and physical mistakes on the field, it’s the extra curricular stuff that happens after the whistle that’s alarming. Wiping yourself with the ball, taunting an opponent in some way shape or fashion, are all actions that players have to feel comfortable doing, knowing the discipline that faces them later isn’t prohibitive if it exists at all. Look no further than Crowell’s post game comments after Bowles had spoken to him about his actions, appearing less than remorseful while discussing the incident. It would appear Bowles does not understand that penalties, and what players do on the field is a direct reflection of the coaching staff. At this point, frustrations are running high around the Jets performance since their win in Detroit, and if Bowles doesn’t turn around the Jets behavior, the Jets could be in for a long season. The post Bowles Says Penalties Are Not On Him appeared first on JetNation.com (NY Jets Blog & Forum). Click here to read the full story... So he is blaming Macc for signing dumb players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 It's not my fault there are icebergs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The physical act of the penalty is not on him. Allowing players who commit stupid penalties to continue without retribution is. Bench a guy if he commits a selfish dumbass penalty. Everyone will get the point. Simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Don't get me started please LOL I can't with this a$$clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Cool sorry bro, you are still getting fired because whether you are out there getting the penalties yourself or not, you are still responsible being that you are HC, dummy. Total agreement. Bowles appears to be an enabler and because the Jets as an organization has said or done nothing in regards to Crowell sorry Mac but you need to face the same fate. Be shown the door and don’t let it hit you in the ……s on your way out!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 he thought that making veterans do pushups would reduce penalties. how about reviewing technique and extra practice, or reducing playing time? in the end, this is all good - a team cannot move forward when your HC is not married to developing your qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Cool sorry bro, you are still getting fired because whether you are out there getting the penalties yourself or not, you are still responsible being that you are HC, dummy. Because Crowell wouldn’t feel comfortable pulling that asshat move in front of Belicheck. coach bowles is now talking like a man who knows his ass can/will be fired at any given point from now to black monday.. he's essentially writing his own HCing obituary at this point.. poor coach bowles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The Jets embarrassed themselves... and fans with their repugnant behavior. Not your fault? High school kids know better than to do some of the crap your teams do. Direct reflection of respect for the Head Coach. Screw you Bowles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 When my kids act up and are disruptive, its their fault. I mean, I can only try to teach them how to act. But if they're gonna act up and be loud and rowdy in a restaurant, well, that's on them. What can I do? Parents parent, but kids are gonna be kids. Right? I mean, they're 6 and 9. They know better, and I can't just, like control them all of the time, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: The physical act of the penalty is not on him. Allowing players who commit stupid penalties to continue without retribution is. Bench a guy if he commits a selfish dumbass penalty. Everyone will get the point. Simple really. Completely agree. Bowles is a gutless coach This kind of mentality is finally going to get him fired so as far as I'm concerned, keep pointing the finger, Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 That's ******* bullsh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: he thought that making veterans do pushups would reduce penalties. how about reviewing technique and extra practice, or reducing playing time? in the end, this is all good - a team cannot move forward when your HC is not married to developing your qb. You want him to review technique of wiping your ass with the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: When my kids act up and are disruptive, its their fault. I mean, I can only try to teach them how to act. But if they're gonna act up and be loud and rowdy in a restaurant, well, that's on them. What can I do? Parents parent, but kids are gonna be kids. Right? I mean, they're 6 and 9. They know better, and I can't just, like control them all of the time, you know? Your kids record sucks, but it's still better than Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, #27TheDominator said: You want him to review technique of wiping your ass with the ball? no. but the secondary can practice better technique guarding wrs and the OL can practice not committing dead ball false start penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 So its come to this. Our HC is saying he's not to blame for our poorly prepared and coached team looking like a bunch of inept thugs on the field? Why is that TB? Is it because you've lost control of the players, or are you just to the point where you have no interest in instilling discipline? So I guess this means us fans should expect to watch a bad team running wild doing dumb ass Pac Man Jones s**t every time they make a good play? That's great. Not only do we get to watch a team play badly, but we get to watch them act like idiots while they do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 hmm; I thought the buck stopped with him - I guess not. I thought I was being too hard on him when I questioned why he didn't play Petty or Hack. So, I approached this year 'anew' and gave him (and myself) a Mulagen. It is after serious deliberation that I am once again on the 'fire Bowles' bandwagon. Say what you will about time management, etc. but the main reason was for him/them 'ruining' Sam. They are making him think too much, etc. Even without the Sam mess, you can't have players thinking there is no accountability. Best way to screw that up is when a coach doesn't have any accountability. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 They are not on him they are on the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Professional athletes paid millions.... but yea it’s on the coach. how many pentalies did the pats have last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: So its come to this. Our HC is saying he's not to blame for our poorly prepared and coached team looking like a bunch of inept thugs on the field? Why is that TB? Is it because you've lost control of the players, or are you just to the point where you have no interest in instilling discipline? So I guess this means us fans should expect to watch a bad team running wild doing dumb ass Pac Man Jones s**t every time they make a good play? That's great. Not only do we get to watch a team play badly, but we get to watch them act like idiots while they do it! Honestly I just don’t think players respect him like they say they do. Football is a man’s sport and when your coach is a GIANT P*SSY, how can you run through a brick wall for him? He coaches fear and not the good kind where they fear him. His style is all about playing it safe and putting your tail between your legs. There is NOTHING that he can do at this point that would make me want him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Crusher said: They are not on him they are on the players. Agreed. The penalties are on the players. I can live (unhappily) with the false starts, holding, etc., every bad team does that stuff more then they should. But the taunting and unsportsman like penalties getting a pass? Sorry, that's on the Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I generally agree, penalties usually aren't on coaching as much as most fans want to think. However, when the coach is the the 4th year of their tenure and this pattern is the norm, not the exception, it's 100% on the coach. Todd Bowles is basically Jeff Fisher, but not quite as good. Uber Conservative and Old School, with just enough scapegoats to pin the blame elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Going to be a glorious day when Bubba Gump and Macc get shown the door...and Belichick abandons the Pats, comes to the Jets and brings Dante Scarnecchia with him. It’s happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Penalties with Technic or procedure are definitely on the Staff. The 15 personal fouls (taunting and wiping your ass with the ball)are a reflection of the staff and the mentality of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Todd Bowles: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 59 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: When my kids act up and are disruptive, its their fault. I mean, I can only try to teach them how to act. But if they're gonna act up and be loud and rowdy in a restaurant, well, that's on them. What can I do? Parents parent, but kids are gonna be kids. Right? I mean, they're 6 and 9. They know better, and I can't just, like control them all of the time, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Players do commit the physical penalty, it’s on the coach to instill the discipline needed by the player not to commit those penalties. It appears Bowles falls short of even understanding what the responsibility’s of a coach are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Don't worry Todd, after week 17 the rest of the team's performance won't be on you either, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, 14 in Green said: Agreed. The penalties are on the players. I can live (unhappily) with the false starts, holding, etc., every bad team does that stuff more then they should. But the taunting and unsportsman like penalties getting a pass? Sorry, that's on the Coach. I literally watch as the DB coach was ripping Parry Nickerson a new one for getting into it with Jarvis Landry. I seen the coach on the sideline literally grab Nickerson by his Jersey, yell straight into his face, then sent him to the sideline. How is that giving dudes a pass? For example, how far was this coach supposed to go? He already put hands on him. The players at some point need to make the decision to do what's best for the team. Im not blaming the coaches when I see a coach grab a dude up for letting Landry get under his skin and decides to fight on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I wanted to see so much more out of Bowles by this point in time. Very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 worst JETS coach since Kotite. ALl of his defenders here.... the great football minds etc spoke of Bowles with reverence, HE has done NOTHING to warrant any consideration. He should be fired almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Maxman said: I wanted to see so much more out of Bowles by this point in time. Very disappointing. We did see more..... more shlt. He is NOT mentally suited to be a leader of men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The coach is responsible for all his players, period. However, when that big ass 300 lb lineman keeps moving before the snap......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: I literally watch as the DB coach was ripping Parry Nickerson a new one for getting into it with Jarvis Landry. I seen the coach on the sideline literally grab Nickerson by his Jersey, yell straight into his face, then sent him to the sideline. How is that giving dudes a pass? For example, how far was this coach supposed to go? He already put hands on him. The players at some point need to make the decision to do what's best for the team. Im not blaming the coaches when I see a coach grab a dude up for letting Landry get under his skin and decides to fight on the field. OK. Good on the DB coach. I didn't see that. But Nickerson is a jag. What did he do to Trumaine? What about the RB coach? Did he get on Crowell for wiping his ass with the football? Did TB even change his expression during any of it? I was a Bowles supporter until last Thursday night. I can live with most penalties, they happen. But I'm sorry, I don't want my team getting taunting and unsportsmanlike flags. We suck. Where do we come off taunting anybody? The Coaches need to instill in their players the discipline to act like professionals. If you don't see it that way, we simply have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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