RB watch 2019

[redlichtie]

On 10/12/2018 at 4:32 PM, sec101row23 said:

Anybody watch Devin Singletary from FAU?  He was being talked about as a legit NFL prospect after last season, is he still a thing now?  Kiffen was talking him up pretty well.  

Was going to post about him. I know it’s a ridiculous comparison that can only ever get torn down but there’s Barry Sanders in those feet. He’s got that low stocky build too that makes me think he can be durable and he’s like a spinning top that just seems to bounce back up. Seems to have patience and vision, some of his cuts are pure ankle-breakers and there’s no doubt about the explosion. Also a deceptively capable blocker in pass pro for such a little guy.

he’s the closest i’ve seen to Sanders since...well Sanders

what am I missing here?

[Patriot Killa]

On 12/28/2018 at 1:22 PM, redlichtie said:

Was going to post about him. I know it’s a ridiculous comparison that can only ever get torn down but there’s Barry Sanders in those feet. He’s got that low stocky build too that makes me think he can be durable and he’s like a spinning top that just seems to bounce back up. Seems to have patience and vision, some of his cuts are pure ankle-breakers and there’s no doubt about the explosion. Also a deceptively capable blocker in pass pro for such a little guy.

he’s the closest i’ve seen to Sanders since...well Sanders

what am I missing here?

Saquon Barkley was the closest thing to Sanders imo.

Dave could be a rich man’s Maurice Jones Drew. 

[jetsons]

On 1/1/2019 at 3:23 AM, Patriot Killa said:

Saquon Barkley was the closest thing to Sanders imo.

Sorry, Saquon was Nothing compared to Sanders in College...

Sanders in his ONE year as a starter rushed for 2,850 yds & 44 TD's. (12 games including the Holiday Bowl)

Saquon in THREE years rushed for 3,843 yds & 43 TD's. (38 games)

Sanders was a BEAST & led the Nation in rushing & TD's while setting 34 NCAA Records....

Saquon finished #33 in the Nation in rushing in 2017...

Again... Sorry, Not Even Close.

[redlichtie]

2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Saquon Barkley was the closest thing to Sanders imo.

Dave could be a rich man’s Maurice Jones Drew. 

I really don’t see Sanders and Barkley as comparable. Barkley is 6-1 230 and Barry was 5-8 205. Entirely different body masses and running styles. Barkley has some wiggle but the cutting ability and elusiveness of Sanders was rare, I can’t remember ever seeing iit from another prospect. MJD is not a bad shout although I always thought he was more of a bowling ball.and in fairness I remember his college career less but Barry put up inseane numbers as Singletary is doing now. Sanders and Devin have that stocky lower body but extraordinary shiftiness and acceleration. I really can’t think of too many guys who remind me this much of Sanders

Also the production was way different between Sanders and Barkley and while neither Singletary(nor anyone for that matter) has come close to producing what Sanders did at Oklahoma State he did rush for just shy of 2K last year and had 33 TD’ s. 

[Patriot Killa]

3 hours ago, jetsons said:

Sorry, Saquon was Nothing compared to Sanders in College...

Sanders in his ONE year as a starter rushed for 2,850 yds & 44 TD's. (12 games including the Holiday Bowl)

Saquon in THREE years rushed for 3,843 yds & 43 TD's. (38 games)

Sanders was a BEAST & led the Nation in rushing & TD's while setting 34 NCAA Records....

Saquon finished #33 in the Nation in rushing in 2017...

Again... Sorry, Not Even Close.

Talking about playing style here. Of course nobodies single season college stats, from this era, are going to compare to Barry’s 1988 season. Don’t really see how comparing their stats does any justice or discredit to a Barkley/Sanders comp. there are other reasons that you can draw a comp from Saquon but if I was going to challenge the example in your post, I would say that In Sanders final year, he got an insane work load of 344 rushing attempts and Sanders only accumulated close to 928 yards in his first two seasons at Oklahoma St before his notorious 2,682 yard season. So the production point doesn’t really feel like a strong angle even though I wasn’t measuring the comparison from that anyway.

As you can see, Barkley didn’t sniff 344 rushing attempts in a single season. Year Two was the closest with 272 and that’s still about 72 carries off. Barkely still winded up with more attempts in his entire career, obviously,  because Barkley played in more games and had more attempts in his first two seasons so while the 2K season for Barry is unbelievable, the majority of Sander’s stats were accumulated in one season and still didn’t have the same amount of rushing yards in his NCAA career than Barkley when all was said and done. 

Now the Touchdowns come with the territory when you are rushing 344 times and I honestly can’t “defend” Barkley for not putting up 37 in one season... that... is mind boggling.

but to put it in perspective, career wise, Barkley finished with 43 rushing TD’s and Sanders had 48. Add in receptions TD’s and that’s Barkley at 51 and Sanders at 49 for TD’s overall. 

So...

Obviously not trying to slight a legend and a running back that I respect a great deal in Sanders but aside from one absolutely insane year where, keep in mind, carries far outweighed what you would see in this RPO/Air Era and where Sanders got most of his numbers in. The grand scheme of things say that Barkely out gained Sanders in career yards, career TD’s and career receptions.

But again ... production had nothing to do with my comparison on them. They both have elite vision, refuse to go down on first contact, vicious jump cuts, animalistic instincts and elite change of direction/first step.

 

3 hours ago, redlichtie said:

I really don’t see Sanders and Barkley as comparable. Barkley is 6-1 230 and Barry was 5-8 205. Entirely different body masses and running styles. Barkley has some wiggle but the cutting ability and elusiveness of Sanders was rare, I can’t remember ever seeing iit from another prospect. MJD is not a bad shout although I always thought he was more of a bowling ball.and in fairness I remember his college career less but Barry put up inseane numbers as Singletary is doing now. Sanders and Devin have that stocky lower body but extraordinary shiftiness and acceleration. I really can’t think of too many guys who remind me this much of Sanders

Also the production was way different between Sanders and Barkley and while neither Singletary(nor anyone for that matter) has come close to producing what Sanders did at Oklahoma State he did rush for just shy of 2K last year and had 33 TD’ s. 

I just think their games are very similar. You are going off physical stature similarities. Fair enough. But as far as production — yes — Barkley has come close and in most statistical categories, has Sanders beat . I responded to Jetsons above with the a more detailed dive on stats....

again guys this has nothing to do with production or physical stature comps. I would compare the physical stature of Tom Brady to a fettuccine noodle but playing style is different and that’s what I’m looking at.

[redlichtie]

Playing style? What exactly do you mean by that?  Please explain because the catch all term ‘playing style’ seems a bit vague to me and doesn’t really clarify anything.

They both play running back but that is about where the similarities end for me. Production is production, you can have two different guys rushing for 100, 1000 or even 2000 yards but thay can both achieve that in very different ways. Comparing Barkley and Sanders as similar players makes as much sense to me as comparing Megatron with Antonio Brown. The fact it took Barkley 3 full college seasons to match what Sanders effectively did in one cannot just be glossed over but that also shouldn't take away from Saquon either. Right there you have a great example of how very different they are.  But yet both still great.

Sorry but they are not even remotely similar in my opinion. Indeed it’s hard to think of many prospects that have come down the pipe who have survived comparisons with Barry Sanders, for good reason. He was just such a unique talent and had such a unique skill set. That is not to take anything away from Barkley who is a fantastic player and is actually equally a unique prospect in his own right with the size and speed and vision that he has, in that sense the two are similar, they are both generational talents but my original point was not about Saquon Barkley versus Barry Sanders but that in Devin Singletary I’m seeing the closest thing to Barry since Barry.

A player with the same build and body type(and yes of course that is relevant when comparing prospects) the same extraordinary cutting ability and vision with explosive breakaway speed and whose production also mirrors what Sanders achieved. It is indeed difficult to judge across a generation and the comparison between Sanders playing for Oklahoma State in 1988and Singletary at Florida Atlantic in 2018 is of course not a straightforward one. But it’s not impossible either.

so anyway, about Devin Singletary

 

[Patriot Killa]

51 minutes ago, redlichtie said:

Playing style? What exactly do you mean by that?  Please explain because the catch all term ‘playing style’ seems a bit vague to me and doesn’t really clarify anything.

They both play running back but that is about where the similarities end for me. Production is production, you can have two different guys rushing for 100, 1000 or even 2000 yards but thay can both achieve that in very different ways. Comparing Barkley and Sanders as similar players makes as much sense to me as comparing Megatron with Antonio Brown. The fact it took Barkley 3 full college seasons to match what Sanders effectively did in one cannot just be glossed over but that also shouldn't take away from Saquon either. Right there you have a great example of how very different they are.  But yet both still great.

Sorry but they are not even remotely similar in my opinion. Indeed it’s hard to think of many prospects that have come down the pipe who have survived comparisons with Barry Sanders, for good reason. He was just such a unique talent and had such a unique skill set. That is not to take anything away from Barkley who is a fantastic player and is actually equally a unique prospect in his own right with the size and speed and vision that he has, in that sense the two are similar, they are both generational talents but my original point was not about Saquon Barkley versus Barry Sanders but that in Devin Singletary I’m seeing the closest thing to Barry since Barry.

A player with the same build and body type(and yes of course that is relevant when comparing prospects) the same extraordinary cutting ability and vision with explosive breakaway speed and whose production also mirrors what Sanders achieved. It is indeed difficult to judge across a generation and the comparison between Sanders playing for Oklahoma State in 1988and Singletary at Florida Atlantic in 2018 is of course not a straightforward one. But it’s not impossible either.

so anyway, about Devin Singletary

 

I just explained what I found similar in their strengths and I did it to fairly a descriptive extent. If you don’t agree then there’s not much else I can say to you or anyone else that doesn’t see what I’m seeing. Putting their NCAA stats in context is important btw. Also not something to gloss over.

we’ll have to just agree to disagree tbh.

[jetsons]

14 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Talking about playing style here. Of course nobodies single season college stats, from this era, are going to compare to Barry’s 1988 season. Don’t really see how comparing their stats does any justice or discredit to a Barkley/Sanders comp. there are other reasons that you can draw a comp from Saquon but if I was going to challenge the example in your post, I would say that In Sanders final year, he got an insane work load of 344 rushing attempts and Sanders only accumulated close to 928 yards in his first two seasons at Oklahoma St before his notorious 2,682 yard season. So the production point doesn’t really feel like a strong angle even though I wasn’t measuring the comparison from that anyway.

As you can see, Barkley didn’t sniff 344 rushing attempts in a single season. Year Two was the closest with 272 and that’s still about 72 carries off. Barkely still winded up with more attempts in his entire career, obviously,  because Barkley played in more games and had more attempts in his first two seasons so while the 2K season for Barry is unbelievable, the majority of Sander’s stats were accumulated in one season and still didn’t have the same amount of rushing yards in his NCAA career than Barkley when all was said and done. 

Now the Touchdowns come with the territory when you are rushing 344 times and I honestly can’t “defend” Barkley for not putting up 37 in one season... that... is mind boggling.

but to put it in perspective, career wise, Barkley finished with 43 rushing TD’s and Sanders had 48. Add in receptions TD’s and that’s Barkley at 51 and Sanders at 49 for TD’s overall. 

So...

Obviously not trying to slight a legend and a running back that I respect a great deal in Sanders but aside from one absolutely insane year where, keep in mind, carries far outweighed what you would see in this RPO/Air Era and where Sanders got most of his numbers in. The grand scheme of things say that Barkely out gained Sanders in career yards, career TD’s and career receptions.

But again ... production had nothing to do with my comparison on them. They both have elite vision, refuse to go down on first contact, vicious jump cuts, animalistic instincts and elite change of direction/first step.

 

I just think their games are very similar. You are going off physical stature similarities. Fair enough. But as far as production — yes — Barkley has come close and in most statistical categories, has Sanders beat . I responded to Jetsons above with the a more detailed dive on stats....

again guys this has nothing to do with production or physical stature comps. I would compare the physical stature of Tom Brady to a fettuccine noodle but playing style is different and that’s what I’m looking at.

First off Sanders wasn't a starter his first 2 seasons, he was the backup to Thurman Thomas... Sanders' ONLY year as a Starter was in 1988... since you're pointing out rushing attempts look at the rushing average Gained per attempt... Sanders Averaged 7.8 yds Gained A Carry on 344 carries... That's Insane... Sanders BLOWS Away Saquon… NOT EVEN CLOSE.

[Patriot Killa]

31 minutes ago, jetsons said:

First off Sanders wasn't a starter his first 2 seasons, he was the backup to Thurman Thomas... Sanders' ONLY year as a Starter was in 1988... since you're pointing out rushing attempts look at the rushing average Gained per attempt... Sanders Averaged 7.8 yds Ganed A Carry on 344 carries... That's Insane... Sanders BLOWS Away Saquon… NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Nobody is discrediting Sanders. He’s a living legend. He’s one of my all time favorite running back. ALL I’m saying is I see similarities in their strengths and how they run.

[jetsons]

49 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Nobody is discrediting Sanders. He’s a living legend. He’s one of my all time favorite running back. ALL I’m saying is I see similarities in their strengths and how they run.

I'm not trying make an issue of your opinion... I just see it differently...  I do believe Saquon, barring injury, will be something special to watch for the next decade +.

[Paradis]

https://twitter.com/fduffy3/status/1090224637445881858?s=21

[LES]

On 10/11/2018 at 4:31 PM, Paradis said:

 

YES: Benny Snell and Dexter Williams. If you wanted a facelift the likes of Burt Reynolds (rip), this would be a dream combo

These 2 guys are better than anything we have.

[Stark]

On 1/29/2019 at 11:33 AM, Paradis said:

https://twitter.com/fduffy3/status/1090224637445881858?s=21

really like this kid.

[Paradis]

I'm going back over backs lately and my goodness, i don't care what the TV personalities say - Dexter Williams is all that. I get why i have to put Jacobs and Harris above him, but i'm not fighting my gut on this one. He's a playmaker. 

[Bronx]

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