Barry McCockinner Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 QB Pass rusher Left Tackle Those are the 3 most important positions in football. If you can obtain a healthy top tier pass rusher in their prime for a reasonable price you do it. You'd be lucky to draft a pass rusher in the first round that turned into Jones. So any talk of obtaining him for a late pick seems silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Apparently Patrick Peterson is up for trade too. It was discussed at the same table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Former New York Jets quarterback and current NFL analyst Boomer Esiason raised a few eyebrows when he said he believes the Jets are making an attempt to acquire pass rusher Chandler Jones from the Arizona Cardinals.“I believe they’re trying to acquire Chandler Jones from the Cardinals.” – @7BOOMERESIASON notes the New York Jets might have their eye on a defensive playmaker to play opposite of their new franchise QB.On @CBSSportsNet right NOW, the second half of #TOPS. pic.twitter.com/ZJjDUBt4ak— CBS Sports (@CBSSports) October 14, 2018Looking for a legitimate presence off the edge for a decade, importing Jones, who had 17 sacks last year and has 68 for his career would be a welcome addition to Todd Bowles’ defense.The post Esiason: Jets Trying to Acquire Chandler Jones appeared first on JetNation.com (NY Jets Blog & Forum). Click here to read the full story...What would we have to give up to acquire him? This is out of left field Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Hmm... what makes him believe that? And doesn’t Jones play DE in the 3-4? They are a 4-3 D shown below and he is DE on a 4 man line that at 265 pounds would translate to a 3-4 OLB on our team, though that requires some additional coverage duties. DEFENSE POS STARTER SECOND THIRD+ Left Defensive Tackle Robert Nkemdiche Olsen Pierre Left Defensive End Markus Golden Benson Mayowa Zach Moore Right Defensive Tackle Corey Peters Rodney Gunter Right Defensive End Chandler Jones Ifeadi Odenigbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: QB Pass rusher Left Tackle Those are the 3 most important positions in football. If you can obtain a healthy top tier pass rusher in their prime for a reasonable price you do it. You'd be lucky to draft a pass rusher in the first round that turned into Jones. So any talk of obtaining him for a late pick seems silly. Yeah everyone says a version of that (usually QB LT Pass Rusher) but I don't think it is actually true. I think the entire OL is really more important than Pass Rusher in today's NFL, and I would argue having "triplets" as Polian always says is more important than pass rusher to a team. However pass rusher is the most important position on a defense followed by lockdown man to man corner if you can get one. An interior rusher like Donald is also more valuable than an edge rusher. Rush up the middle is far more disruptive to an offense than edge rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, johnnysd said: Yes but but a luxury compared to protecting Sam and giving him weapons. We are not a pass rusher away from a SB, but we could be a couple of draft picks wasted on a pass rusher that leads to Darnold being injured or not reaching his potential. I hear what you are saying. And I agree, we are not a pass rusher away from being a SB contender. However, getting Chandler Jones essentially ensures our defense is top 10 for the duration of Darnold's rookie contract. I won't do it for Mack type trade. But something like a 2019 3rd and 2020 3rd would be a solid trade for us. We can still secure a solid group of WR in free agency. And we can still get OL help in the 1st and 3rd round in the 2019 draft. In order for the Jets to be SB contenders a good pass rusher is needed. So at some point we have to address that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: Hmm... what makes him believe that? And doesn’t Jones play DE in the 3-4? He is not a Safety, be glad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2019 - $19.5M - Age 29 2020 - $19M - Age 30 2021 - $18.5M - Age 31 Contract would be cuttable after 2019. I would trade a 3rd for him on this deal for sure. Make it happen Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Agree but with the cap space we will have next season we can fix a lot. We will have to overpay with Todd Gump still the HC. He gets fired and we get a big name HC with HC experience then we might get more bang for the buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: 2019 - $19.5M - Age 29 2020 - $19M - Age 30 2021 - $18.5M - Age 31 Contract would be cuttable after 2019. I would trade a 3rd for him on this deal for sure. Make it happen Mac. Oh you are right. I thought he only had 1 year left on his deal. My bad for putting that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Sign an instant starter? Yes. It’s about time the Arizona-Bowles connection pays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, GreenFish said: I hear what you are saying. And I agree, we are not a pass rusher away from being a SB contender. However, getting Chandler Jones essentially ensures our defense is top 10 for the duration of Darnold's rookie contract. I won't do it for Mack type trade. But something like a 2019 3rd and 2020 3rd would be a solid trade for us. We can still secure a solid group of WR in free agency. And we can still get OL help in the 1st and 3rd round in the 2019 draft. In order for the Jets to be SB contenders a good pass rusher is needed. So at some point we have to address that position. I see the point, but then I look at NE and how they didn't lose a step after moving on from Jones and $20 million is a LOT of cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Can't have enough threads on this. Let's get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, johnnysd said: I see the point, but then I look at NE and how they didn't lose a step after moving on from Jones and $20 million is a LOT of cap. NE never loses a step after losing anyone!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Two 1st rounders is a no-go for a team like us Not should it be. Defense doesn’t win championships is today’s NFL. Offensive playmakers do. Those two number one picks are going to be pivotal for sams development and success. O line and wr’s. It’s going to be interesting to come back to these chats as we have two distinct camps in the Mack trade scenario. I’m solidly on the side of not trading our l first rounders for Mack or any other D player. It’s time for the offense to get some consistent first rd love! Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: same thing I was wondering when I watched. he mentions no source or rumor or anything, he just believes. OK boomer. For the record, boomer called the Marty St. Louis trade about 3 weeks before anyone even had it on there radar, I know it’s a different sport but he doesn’t seem like the guy to throw sh*t at the wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 How about trying to acquire a 6’5 WR for Sam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Mactannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Amari cooper is up for trade as well it seems as well as karl joseph (gee another good safety up for trade) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lon chaney Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: We will have to overpay with Todd Gump still the HC. He gets fired and we get a big name HC with HC experience then we might get more bang for the buck. That's simply not true. While Todd had major deficiencies as a HC, recruiting players or players not wanting to play for him is definitely not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: Sign an instant starter? Yes. It’s about time the Arizona-Bowles connection pays off. People call Bowles every name in the book and if he doesn’t get the Jets overall to play better and consistently he won’t be here. But we have to stop with the nonsense that some imply that Bowles became the HC cause he was a lottery pick and was incompetent. No Bowles was Assistant Coach of the year as DC and did so with a team decimated by injuries. One has to hope that Bowles will get the defense playing better They are very good now but could be better and if they are it will save Bowles job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Apparently Patrick Peterson is up for trade too. It was discussed at the same table. And unlike Revis, he gives maximum effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lon chaney said: That's simply not true. While Todd had major deficiencies as a HC, recruiting players or players not wanting to play for him is definitely not one of them. Mevi$ says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Woah, that would be awesome. I hope this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFanatic Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 How old is he?? Too lazy to google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 How does this move help Sam Darnold? If the answer is, "it doesn't," the Jets should pass. Offense. Offense. Offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lon chaney Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: Mevi$ says hi. What does that mean? Revis demanded more money to sign with the Jets because of Bowles? No, he did not. I'm not saying he gets the most out of players. I was responding to the notion that the Jets have to overpay in FA because of Bowles - an idea that is ridiculous as much as it is inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Ah yes the lousy player the pats brilliantly traded for a 2nd round pick which the pats then traded down with and a jag olineman. Jones proceeded to put up 11 and then 17 sacks the last two years and has 4 already this year. This would be a big get for the jets if the price is right. But, once again,....... defense. Resolving defensive needs through trades/FA leverages offensive focus in the draft. FA for offensive linemen is poor in 2019. It's draft or nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: People call Bowles every name in the book and if he doesn’t get the Jets overall to play better and consistently he won’t be here. But we have to stop with the nonsense that some imply that Bowles became the HC cause he was a lottery pick and was incompetent. No Bowles was Assistant Coach of the year as DC and did so with a team decimated by injuries. One has to hope that Bowles will get the defense playing better They are very good now but could be better and if they are it will save Bowles job No that would have been your Guy Hermie the Flim Flam BBQ man.. Before coming to the Jets as HC he was never even a coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lon chaney said: What does that mean? Revis demanded more money to sign with the Jets because of Bowles? No, he did not. I'm not saying he gets the most out of players. I was responding to the notion that the Jets have to overpay in FA because of Bowles - an idea that is ridiculous as much as it is inaccurate. Leveon Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 this is odd. First Mack. Then Bell. Now this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Amari cooper is up for trade as well it seems as well as karl joseph (gee another good safety up for trade) Jarvis Landry went for a 4th and 7th. Maybe it's just me being down on next years free agent class. But I'd pull a trade for Amari Cooper also. Call me trader Macc. But I'd trade a 4th and Pryor for Cooper and trade 2019/2020 3rds for Jones. There's like 3-4 free agents that are going to be in crazy high demand next offseason. Go into the draft and draft one of the LTs in the first round and draft an interior OL with the 3rd round pick. Then go home. The Rams built their team with trades like this. And they have a great roster around Goff during his rookie contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, GreenFish said: Jarvis Landry went for a 4th and 7th. Maybe it's just me being down on next years free agent class. But I'd pull a trade for Amari Cooper also. Call me trader Macc. But I'd trade a 4th and Pryor for Cooper and trade 2019/2020 3rds for Jones. There's like 3-4 free agents that are going to be in crazy high demand next offseason. Go into the draft and draft one of the LTs in the first round and draft an interior OL with the 3rd round pick. Then go home. The Rams built their team with trades like this. And they have a great roster around Goff during his rookie contract. We could also give keeping our picks and drafting good football players a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I didn't catch if anyone said this already. . Why would the Cards want to do this? did they have too much $ wrapped up in other players that they couldn't pay the 20mil per year? i can't believe they would think 3rd round for Jones is going to help Rosen ... Are they stacked at DE/OLB ? locker room cancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Realize that a better defense definitely helps a QB. That is not hard to understand. Especially a rookie QB that happens to be the youngest starter at that position ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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