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23 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

Snow, cold and dead grass trees and bushes for 6 months depresses the sh*t out of me. 

Im looking to buy a lil things in costa rica or panama

Where are you looking in Panama? It's on my short list with Ecuador and Mexico. I'm out of here in 1-3 years. Done with the cold and the cost of living. Taking my NY money where it will stretch for miles in the sunshine. 

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Just read a statistic, of the people moving in our out of New Jersey, 68% are moving out.  3 main reasons?  Cost of living, weather and career opportunities. 

People are probably questioning that last one and I dont think it's a crisis or anything to truly worry about yet, but companies are moving south.  The need for your business to have Head Quarters or a large presence in the NE, doesnt really exist anymore as the world of work changes and increase in ability to do everything virtual.  Companies rather invest in cheaper property and talent further south on the East Coast, especially, Florida.  The other factor is, millenials dont really care about making a ton of money.  They rather live happy, have fun in the moment and live a fulfilling life.  Studies are showing that it is much easier to accomplish that as an employee in the South vs. North?  Why?  Better weather, cheaper cost of living, nicer people, less congestion, increase in wages....the number 1 reason?  Better quality of life.

I just moved my girlfriend from Jersey to Florida, all of that applies plus a lot more.

But at the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.  Whatever floats your boat.  People like what they like.  My family on LI, will never leave.  Ever.  Why?  They honestly dont have a logical reason other than, this is where we grew up! 

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14 minutes ago, slats said:

Where are you looking in Panama? It's on my short list with Ecuador and Mexico. I'm out of here in 1-3 years. Done with the cold and the cost of living. Taking my NY money where it will stretch for miles in the sunshine. 

That's my plan too, however, I'm leaning toward El Salvador.  All the truly desirable places in the countries you've listed, arent as cheap as you think.

Costa Rica?  Not a chance.  Expensive and it's just an awful place nowadays.  What has happened to the country is truly a shame.  It's disgusting.  

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10 minutes ago, JiF said:

The other factor is, millenials dont really care about making a ton of money.  They rather live happy, have fun in the moment and live a fulfilling life. 

I've noticed this too.  However, I don't share your idealism of the reasons.  It seems to me they do care about spending money.  They just spend their parents money and live at home for damn near ever.  It's a crisis of epic proportions on the borough of Staten Island.

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I'm always struck when people in Florida, or SC, or Indiana for that matter say that they have great schools. If they live in perhaps a handful of neighborhoods in the entire state they may be right, but as a general matter the relative quality of secondary education in the vast majority of states in the U.S. is pitiful. I'm not a teacher or in education so this is not a diatribe from someone vested in the system. Quality of education from one state to another is now almost impossible to compare and states with slashed budgets for education game the data by dumbing down state testing standards. All you have to do is pick a subject test for a given grade and go on the internet and look at what each state expects. What passes for grade-level in one state will be three levels down from what the next state requires. Makes the state look better from a political perspective, but is frankly a sham. You get what you pay for (or what the wealthy in a high cost suburb contribute to make up the difference). Tread with care.

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28 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

I'm always struck when people in Florida, or SC, or Indiana for that matter say that they have great schools. If they live in perhaps a handful of neighborhoods in the entire state they may be right, but as a general matter the relative quality of secondary education in the vast majority of states in the U.S. is pitiful. I'm not a teacher or in education so this is not a diatribe from someone vested in the system. Quality of education from one state to another is now almost impossible to compare and states with slashed budgets for education game the data by dumbing down state testing standards. All you have to do is pick a subject test for a given grade and go on the internet and look at what each state expects. What passes for grade-level in one state will be three levels down from what the next state requires. Makes the state look better from a political perspective, but is frankly a sham. You get what you pay for (or what the wealthy in a high cost suburb contribute to make up the difference). Tread with care.

NJ is very high on the list of best schools. I think it’s was first or second the last time I looked. Florida was in the 30’s, a lot of the schools are extremely ghetto and English might be the second or third language. 

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

That's my plan too, however, I'm leaning toward El Salvador.  All the truly desirable places in the countries you've listed, arent as cheap as you think.

Costa Rica?  Not a chance.  Expensive and it's just an awful place nowadays.  What has happened to the country is truly a shame.  It's disgusting.  

Agree on Costa Rica, I crossed it off before I ever visited. 

I've traveled a lot in Mexico and have a good idea of the costs. I don't need super-cheap, as my girlfriend and I both have decent savings and pensions, but everything down there is going to be significantly less expensive than LI/NYC as long as I stay off the expensive islands. Gonna be staying on Isla Mujeres for the first time in less than two weeks. Bringing the kids and their significant others. Should be a fun fact-finding tour. 

Not surprised about Nicaragua for a surfer. The issue there when buying property is title claims from before the revolution.  

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

I've noticed this too.  However, I don't share your idealism of the reasons.  It seems to me they do care about spending money.  They just spend their parents money and live at home for damn near ever.  It's a crisis of epic proportions on the borough of Staten Island.

My son lives with me. He's 23 right now. That's the three year limit on moving. At that point, he'll be 26 and rather than kicking him out of the nest, the nest will simply be abandoned. He can either come down with me and busk in the streets there, or find another place to live here. 

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36 minutes ago, slats said:

Agree on Costa Rica, I crossed it off before I ever visited. 

I've traveled a lot in Mexico and have a good idea of the costs. I don't need super-cheap, as my girlfriend and I both have decent savings and pensions, but everything down there is going to be significantly less expensive than LI/NYC as long as I stay off the expensive islands. Gonna be staying on Isla Mujeres for the first time in less than two weeks. Bringing the kids and their significant others. Should be a fun fact-finding tour. 

Not surprised about Nicaragua for a surfer. The issue there when buying property is title claims from before the revolution.  

My son lives with me. He's 23 right now. That's the three year limit on moving. At that point, he'll be 26 and rather than kicking him out of the nest, the nest will simply be abandoned. He can either come down with me and busk in the streets there, or find another place to live here. 

Mrs. Crusher has this buy an RV, "drive the country and visit National parks thing when we are retired." Honestly I'm not really sure how I feel about it. Luckily I'm going to work another 15 years but as it gets closer I hope she changes her mind about it. haha

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2 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Mrs. Crusher has this buy an RV, "drive the country and visit National parks thing when we are retired." Honestly I'm not really sure how I feel about it. Luckily I'm going to work another 15 years but as it gets closer I hope she changes her mind about it. haha

Do you get any vacation? The only way to test that idea out is to get the RV sooner rather than later and do trips in it and see what you think. My brother had a couple RVs over maybe a decade and enjoyed it, mostly just camping on beaches nearby, but they got over it and sold. Now he wants to retire in Tennessee. 

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7 minutes ago, slats said:

Do you get any vacation? The only way to test that idea out is to get the RV sooner rather than later and do trips in it and see what you think. My brother had a couple RVs over maybe a decade and enjoyed it, mostly just camping on beaches nearby, but they got over it and sold. Now he wants to retire in Tennessee. 

I'm self employed and own my own business so I only take two weeks off  a year and a few long weekends off. We got places in Myrtle Beach and Sandbridge (VA Beach) and we spend a week in each. Never really got too experimental with the locations because Id hate to waste one of my two weeks off a year by going to a place I don;t like.

But, I would imagine your suggestion would be exactly what we would do before we ever purchased something. I'm in the process of bringing in more practitioners so eventually my income won;t rely as much on me working as it does now. I will probably double one of those weeks up and do exactly what you suggested. But I'm 15 years away from retiring and right now and m,y current focus is my next meal.

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20 hours ago, slats said:

Where are you looking in Panama? It's on my short list with Ecuador and Mexico. I'm out of here in 1-3 years. Done with the cold and the cost of living. Taking my NY money where it will stretch for miles in the sunshine. 

Nowhere in particular......hey check out Nicaragua as well. Ecuador is also a possibility. I'm not looking to jet that soon but I have a great rental condo here in tampa, a nice stone island house in Croatia and looking to score a cheap south american property so when I retire I can summer in Croatia and split the rest in Tampa and central america

 

the benefit of costa rica is cheap air fare and short ride

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On 10/15/2018 at 9:33 AM, New York Mick said:

She’s wants to get away from the high crime and sh*tty schools in S Florida and be with in 30 minutes to an hour from Bergen County. What area should I look at? Basic things I’m looking into is work (residential electrical), good schools, and low crime. 

Based on some of your concerns, I'd say Avenell, Woodbridge, Old Bridge, even down to Marlboro, Manalapan, Freehold would be worth considering.

A little further from your wife's (WTF, btw??!?!?!) family, but still an easy day trip, and decent enough schools for your kid (?!?!?!?!)

If money/taxes are a concern, you need to stay away from anything much further North, unless you want to go far West as well.

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2 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Based on some of your concerns, I'd say Avenell, Woodbridge, Old Bridge, even down to Marlboro, Manalapan, Freehold would be worth considering.

A little further from your wife's (WTF, btw??!?!?!) family, but still an easy day trip, and decent enough schools for your kid (?!?!?!?!)

If money/taxes are a concern, you need to stay away from anything much further North, unless you want to go far West as well.

Her mom is a great cook and her dad like s to drink and go to Jets games lol

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On 10/18/2018 at 12:21 PM, JiF said:

Just read a statistic, of the people moving in our out of New Jersey, 68% are moving out.  3 main reasons?  Cost of living, weather and career opportunities. 

People are probably questioning that last one and I dont think it's a crisis or anything to truly worry about yet, but companies are moving south.  The need for your business to have Head Quarters or a large presence in the NE, doesnt really exist anymore as the world of work changes and increase in ability to do everything virtual.  Companies rather invest in cheaper property and talent further south on the East Coast, especially, Florida.  The other factor is, millenials dont really care about making a ton of money.  They rather live happy, have fun in the moment and live a fulfilling life.  Studies are showing that it is much easier to accomplish that as an employee in the South vs. North?  Why?  Better weather, cheaper cost of living, nicer people, less congestion, increase in wages....the number 1 reason?  Better quality of life.

I just moved my girlfriend from Jersey to Florida, all of that applies plus a lot more.

 But at the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.  Whatever floats your boat.  People like what they like.  My family on LI, will never leave.  Ever.  Why?  They honestly dont have a logical reason other than, this is where we grew up! 

Millenials don't care about money?  Or rising cost of living, cost of education, and home prices, without anything resembling an equitable rise is wages makes "money" almost impossible to come by for those without exceptional credentials, and so they just make realistic decisions and try to make rent.

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1 minute ago, TeddEY said:

Millenials don't care about money?  Or rising cost of living, cost of education, and home prices, without anything resembling an equitable rise is wages makes "money" almost impossible to come by for those without exceptional credentials, and so they just make realistic decisions and try to make rent.

Dont care about money as in; it's not their #1 driver when looking for a career/job. 

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

 Dont care about money as in; it's not their #1 driver when looking for a career/job. 

Other generations it was?  I guess I'm not sure I see it that way.

Everyone would work in finance (and maybe law) if money was the #1 driver when looking for a career/job.

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On 10/18/2018 at 12:34 PM, #27TheDominator said:

I've noticed this too.  However, I don't share your idealism of the reasons.  It seems to me they do care about spending money.  They just spend their parents money and live at home for damn near ever.  It's a crisis of epic proportions on the borough of Staten Island.

Sorry, forgot to respond to this before.  See my above response: 

3 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Millenials don't care about money?  Or rising cost of living, cost of education, and home prices, without anything resembling an equitable rise is wages makes "money" almost impossible to come by for those without exceptional credentials, and so they just make realistic decisions and try to make rent.

And more to your point, yes, those factor definitely factor into the attitude toward it not being a #1 driver but I believe it's a factor within many.  There are high paying jobs and industries out there for this generation. 

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On 10/18/2018 at 11:42 AM, New York Mick said:

That’s the problem with South Florida. There’s nice areas if you can afford to live there but you go one block over or out somewhere and it’s ghetto as ****. Boca is about the only place that’s mostly nice but it’s expensive. 

Currently in Tampa. Moved a few years ago out of NY. City is changing for the better. It's going slow but the Lightning owner (Vinik) is doing a ton of work in the downtown/channelside area. But yeah if Florida flips in Nov who knows what happens with those projects (as apolitical as I can be here). But things right now are good in Tampa. It's never going to be a major walkable downtown but if you can deal with the heat its pretty nice and there's enough to do. People complain about the traffic, but coming from NY floridians have no idea what bad traffic looks like.  If you can afford the northeast obviously the schools and food are a lot better. The wifes family will never leave and are still perplexed why we did.

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33 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Other generations it was?  I guess I'm not sure I see it that way.

Everyone would work in finance (and maybe law) if money was the #1 driver when looking for a career/job.

If we're not taking ability (mental and financial) to complete the requisite coursework, doctors make considerably more over the course of a lifetime than either of those professions.

A lot of people do finance because they couldn't get into other professions.

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16 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

If we're not taking ability (mental and financial) to complete the requisite coursework, doctors make considerably more over the course of a lifetime than either of those professions.

A lot of people do finance because they couldn't get into other professions.

I don’t think that’s the case any longer.  Some specialties, perhaps.  But medicine isn’t what it used to be.  Insurance (both on the reimbursement side and malpractice) have made it far less attractive a career for millennials, financially.

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41 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I don’t think that’s the case any longer.  Some specialties, perhaps.  But medicine isn’t what it used to be.  Insurance (both on the reimbursement side and malpractice) have made it far less attractive a career for millennials, financially.

Got that correct.  I.t. and cyber security.

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10 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Got that correct.  I.t. and cyber security.

Bang for your buck, I’d advise any young person to learn to code.  You may not be a millionaire, but you can make a quarter million easy and will never lack for work.  A buddy of mine gets multiple offers a year without even applying for jobs.

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2 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Bang for your buck, I’d advise any young person to learn to code.  You may not be a millionaire, but you can make a quarter million easy and will never lack for work.  A buddy of mine gets multiple offers a year without even applying for jobs.

Both of the boys have gone in that direction. People ask me if they are following in my footsteps? 'Im like,"Hell no." Not in this day in age. Plus living in the DC area those jobs are every everywhere. So they can live home for awhile in could some bank put away.

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2 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Other generations it was?  I guess I'm not sure I see it that way.

Everyone would work in finance (and maybe law) if money was the #1 driver when looking for a career/job.

People use to move out of there house at 17/18 years old. I moved from NY to Florida when I was 16. Now kids seem to be staying at home till they’re 30. 

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32 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I don’t think that’s the case any longer.  Some specialties, perhaps.  But medicine isn’t what it used to be.  Insurance (both on the reimbursement side and malpractice) have made it far less attractive a career for millennials, financially.

I agree it's certainly not what it used to be. My wife is only three years out of residency, but even when she was in med school the offers were significantly better than they are now. Add the cost of student debt over a longer term than most other professions, and sure, I can see the financial impact.

Either way, with the ups and downs in finance, over the long term doctors should still come out significantly ahead.

Regarding the initial point about money's role in driving millennial's lifestyle/career choices: a lot has to do with where one grows up, what opportunities one is afforded, and which stage of life one is in. There are examples on both sides for each of the three constraints, but by and large I agree with JiF that money as the critical driver of life decisions is not what it was in say, my parent's generation.

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2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Currently in Tampa. Moved a few years ago out of NY. City is changing for the better. It's going slow but the Lightning owner (Vinik) is doing a ton of work in the downtown/channelside area. But yeah if Florida flips in Nov who knows what happens with those projects (as apolitical as I can be here). But things right now are good in Tampa. It's never going to be a major walkable downtown but if you can deal with the heat its pretty nice and there's enough to do. People complain about the traffic, but coming from NY floridians have no idea what bad traffic looks like.  If you can afford the northeast obviously the schools and food are a lot better. The wifes family will never leave and are still perplexed why we did.

I only played rugby and wrestled in Tampa so I don’t have a lot of knowledge of that area but from what I seen it was the same as S Florida. Areas that are nice are expensive but right down the street from the ghetto. 

What kind of lighting? We do a lot of computer controlled RGB LED  and LED changeover. 

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21 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

My wife’s OB/gyn told us she pays 140/year in malpractice.

She doesn’t take insurance to compensate for that.

That's nuts. Why is she paying that out of pocket? Is it her own practice? My wife's insurance is paid for through her administrator as a benefit.

Although, in certain areas, not taking insurance and acting as "concierge" is actually far more lucrative than working at a private clinic.

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30 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

People use to move out of there house at 17/18 years old. I moved from NY to Florida when I was 16. Now kids seem to be staying at home till they’re 30.  

Agreed.  But my parents first home was around 120K in north jersey.  I'll be lucky to find something for 1.2M.  I'm doing just fine financially, but my wife and I don't make 10 times what my parents were making.

All this to say, I'm not sure it's a choice as much as some would like to believe.

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