Klecko73isGod Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 What a friggin' trainwreck out in Oakland. Easiest prediction ever. He was never a good coach to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Totally overrated. Always has been. Never knew why anyone would want this dude anywhere near your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, JiF said: Totally overrated. Always has been. Never knew why anyone would want this dude anywhere near your team. still million times better than Bowles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: still million times better than Bowles Apparently not 100 million times better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, nyjunc said: still million times better than Bowles Ummmm. no. Bowles is 3-3 this year. Gruden is 1-5. That means Bowles is 300 times better than Gruden, Learn math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I doubt there was any Jets fan with a pulse who seriously wanted Gruden. The Raiders hire of Gruden was pretty much universally panned as a disaster from the moment it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I doubt there was any Jets fan with a pulse who seriously wanted Gruden. The Raiders hire of Gruden was pretty much universally panned as a disaster from the moment it happened. You must be new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: You must be new here. Nah, I agree with him. Who wanted Gruden in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Are you saying people on here were advocating for Gruden? Goddamn the internet is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 It feels like Gruden went into this year thinking "Well, this is year one of my tear-down-and-rebuild plan." It feels like he doesn't like any of the players on his team. Carr, Cooper, Mack... There are (or were) rumors about trading or moving on from all of them. I understand a coach wanting to come in and set up his own system. I understand a coach wanting the players and talent that fits that system... But you still have to TRY and make it work with the guys you have, right? Or adapt your plan a little bit? It seems like he's not interested in that. Maybe it works down the road? Maybe in 2-3 years he's changed the roster over a ton and the guys he brings in fits the scheme and coaching style he wants... But right now... Whew, it's ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I thought Gruden was going to do very well with the talent he had to work with in Oakland. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ruby2 said: Are you saying people on here were advocating for Gruden? Goddamn the internet is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 44 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Ummmm. no. Bowles is 3-3 this year. Gruden is 1-5. That means Bowles is 300 times better than Gruden, Learn math. Bowles is in year 4 and hasn't made the playoffs. By year 3 Gruden was coaching in a conference championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Bowles is in year 4 and hasn't made the playoffs. By year 3 Gruden was coaching in a conference championship game. That was 20 years ago. Gruden is 1-5 TODAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Bowles is in year 4 and hasn't made the playoffs. By year 3 Gruden was coaching in a conference championship game. How would those rosters compare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Really not a ton of support for Gruden in that thread. Shane basically presents the idea as the least of all evils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 This franchise is one year away from moving to Vegas this is the "major league" style of leaving town. Get so bad, they don't miss you when you pack up the team and leave. just like how teams get good for when they open a new stadium, they get awful just before a move. and why not? What's the alternative, give the animals in Oakland one last hurrah? They don't care about that. Plus he can accumulate draft capital and actually think long term, a luxury about 3 other humans get in the NFL. He's still not a great coach but there's nothing wrong with his current plan to lose as many games as possible, in this rare case of a team moving. Usually is a disaster, in this case it's like burning leaves in the backyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 not that i ever thought little chuckie was an elite coach but it could be the raiders just aren't as good as advertised. carr is a decent qb but not a great one. lynch is on the backside of his career. they had some really good draft picks like cooper but he has disappeared, pre gruden. let's see what the raiders are in 3 seasons before judging gruden too harshly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, slats said: Really not a ton of support for Gruden in that thread. Shane basically presents the idea as the least of all evils. Yes, lukewarm. I just thought it interesting in review. You have some of the typical "knee-jerkers" jumping on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Scott Dierking said: Yes, lukewarm. I just thought it interesting in review. You have some of the typical "knee-jerkers" jumping on. Lol, yes. I opted not to name names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 http://isgrudengoneyet.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 One of those coached (like Rex) who needs their guys and system to make it work, it seems many coaches can't seem to coach the guys they have will 100m, Gruden has no incentive to win now, they will build the team for Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said: I doubt there was any Jets fan with a pulse who seriously wanted Gruden. The Raiders hire of Gruden was pretty much universally panned as a disaster from the moment it happened. Really? How did you miss it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, bitonti said: This franchise is one year away from moving to Vegas this is the "major league" style of leaving town. Get so bad, they don't miss you when you pack up the team and leave. just like how teams get good for when they open a new stadium, they get awful just before a move. and why not? What's the alternative, give the animals in Oakland one last hurrah? They don't care about that. Plus he can accumulate draft capital and actually think long term, a luxury about 3 other humans get in the NFL. He's still not a great coach but there's nothing wrong with his current plan to lose as many games as possible, in this rare case of a team moving. Usually is a disaster, in this case it's like burning leaves in the backyard. Makes no sense on any level. What's the downside of playing well on the way out? And really, lifelong fans won't miss them if they have a bad season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Bowles is in year 4 and hasn't made the playoffs. By year 3 Gruden was coaching in a conference championship game. Is this a history lesson? Hard to argue that Gruden is doing well now. And I can't believe Bowles didn't make the playoffs with the scary talented teams he has had. Like it or not, the arrow is pointing up and he is likely to be around for a while, unless they crap the bed for the rest of the season. I think seven wins and he will return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, DMan77 said: It feels like Gruden went into this year thinking "Well, this is year one of my tear-down-and-rebuild plan." It feels like he doesn't like any of the players on his team. Carr, Cooper, Mack... There are (or were) rumors about trading or moving on from all of them. I understand a coach wanting to come in and set up his own system. I understand a coach wanting the players and talent that fits that system... But you still have to TRY and make it work with the guys you have, right? Or adapt your plan a little bit? It seems like he's not interested in that. Maybe it works down the road? Maybe in 2-3 years he's changed the roster over a ton and the guys he brings in fits the scheme and coaching style he wants... But right now... Whew, it's ugly. I don't have a lot of confidence in his ability to pick QBs and Mack is the kind of guy you build around. This smells like a disaster coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Bruce Harper said: I don't have a lot of confidence in his ability to pick QBs and Mack is the kind of guy you build around. This smells like a disaster coming. Coming? That disaster is there in full force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Beerfish said: http://isgrudengoneyet.com/ Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, bitonti said: This franchise is one year away from moving to Vegas this is the "major league" style of leaving town. Get so bad, they don't miss you when you pack up the team and leave. just like how teams get good for when they open a new stadium, they get awful just before a move. and why not? What's the alternative, give the animals in Oakland one last hurrah? They don't care about that. Plus he can accumulate draft capital and actually think long term, a luxury about 3 other humans get in the NFL. He's still not a great coach but there's nothing wrong with his current plan to lose as many games as possible, in this rare case of a team moving. Usually is a disaster, in this case it's like burning leaves in the backyard. The movie was at least entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: Coming? That disaster is there in full force. Maybe I should have said for many years to come. The contract makes it very hard to fire him early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Bruce Harper said: Maybe I should have said for many years to come. The contract makes it very hard to fire him early on. Yes, and the performance makes it hard not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: Bowles is in year 4 and hasn't made the playoffs. By year 3 Gruden was coaching in a conference championship game. Then led the team he built, Brought the Tony Dungy choker Bucs to their first Super Bowl and played the team he just built and left. I'd say he's probably a good coach. I didn't want him after so many years away from the sideline, but come on. The guy has more of a track record than any coach we've ever had next to Parcells. (and Weeb for the old heads) We hired a Tony Dungy position coach during the same time. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 Remember, Gruden was just hired by this guy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I'm sure he had the conversation before signing on that he would tear down and rebuild the team. He can't be judged on the first year's performance through a tear down. I'm not sure I agree with how he is tearing down the team but I'm not privy to the inner activity of the team or his larger plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 someone was supset we didnt hire chucky? buy tissues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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