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Namath's last year was 1976 (at least according to wiki).  Where in your opinion does d'Arnaud rank 6 games into his career? 

Below are the other starting QBs the Jets have had since Namath.  

Matt Robinson
Richard Todd 
Pat Ryan 
Ken O'Brien
Browning Nagle
Boomer Esiason
Frank Reich
Neil O'Donnell
Vinny Testaverde
Ray Lucas
Chad Pennington
Brooks Bollinger
Brett Favre
Mark Sanchez
Geno Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Josh McCown
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

1977 Richard Todd (11) / Matt Robinson (1) / Marty Domres (2)
1978 Matt Robinson (11) / Richard Todd (5)
1979 Richard Todd (15) / Matt Robinson (1)
1980 Richard Todd (16)
1981 Richard Todd (16)
1982 Richard Todd (9)
1983 Richard Todd (16)
1984 Pat Ryan (11) / Ken O'Brien (5)
1985 Ken O'Brien (16)
1986 Ken O'Brien (14) / Pat Ryan (2)
1987 Ken O'Brien (12) / David Norrie (2) / Pat Ryan (1)
1988 Ken O'Brien (12) / Pat Ryan (4)
1989 Ken O'Brien (12) / Tony Eason (2) / Pat Ryan (1) / Kyle Mackey (1)
1990 Ken O'Brien (16)
1991 Ken O'Brien (16)
1992 Browning Nagle (13) / Ken O'Brien (3)
1993 Boomer Esiason (16)
1994 Boomer Esiason (14) / Jack Trudeau (2)
1995 Boomer Esiason (12) / Bubby Brister (4)
1996 Frank Reich (7) / Neil O'Donnell (6) / Glenn Foley (3)
1997 Neil O'Donnell (14) / Glenn Foley (2)
1998 Vinny Testaverde (13) / Glenn Foley (3)
1999 Ray Lucas (9) / Rick Mirer (6) / Vinny Testaverde (1)
2000 Vinny Testaverde (16)
2001 Vinny Testaverde (16)
2002 Chad Pennington (12) / Vinny Testaverde (4)
2003 Chad Pennington (9) / Vinny Testaverde (7)
2004 Chad Pennington (13) / Quincy Carter (3)
2005 Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3)
2006 Chad Pennington (16)
2007 Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8)
2008 Brett Favre (16)
2009 Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1)
2010 Mark Sanchez (16)
2011 Mark Sanchez (16)
2012 Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1)
2013 Geno Smith (16)
2014 Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3)
2015 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4)
2017 Josh McCown (13) / Bryce Petty (3)
2018 Sam Darnold (2)

 

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Just now, slats said:

What is the point of your alternate Darnold spelling? 

Heh, it's just to poke fun at WFAN callers who always seem to call him something closer to "d'Arnaud" than "Darnold".

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I'd be curious to know how Namath was 6 games into his career.  Hard to say.  I think he is in the top 3 of the QBs we drafted.

1. Namath

2. O'Brien

3. Darnold

4. Pennington

5.  Tough one.  Maybe Todd

6.  Everyone else kinda sucked

I don't want to compare him to the veteran QBs we rented.   I mean Favre....it felt like he was on the team for like 5 minutes.  Just enough time for him to injure his shoulder after taking photos of his penis.  

 

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1 hour ago, slats said:

What is the point of your alternate Darnold spelling? 

Actually Darnold is likely an "Americanized" version of d'arnaud

yes I researched it when we drafted him lol

And fwiw Maccagnan isn't Scottish don't even get me started on that

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2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Heh, it's just to poke fun at WFAN callers who always seem to call him something closer to "d'Arnaud" than "Darnold".

Just the Canadien faction, right? 

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the thing about namath is he came onto a pretty loaded or soon to be loaded team.  those jets teams were very good and every bit as good as the colts teams of the day talent wise. hopefully the jetswill put the same level of talent around darnold.

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5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Namath's last year was 1976 (at least according to wiki).  Where in your opinion does Darnold rank 6 games into his career? 

Below are the other starting QBs the Jets have had since Namath.  

Matt Robinson
Richard Todd 
Pat Ryan 
Ken O'Brien
Browning Nagle
Boomer Esiason
Frank Reich
Neil O'Donnell
Vinny Testaverde
Ray Lucas
Chad Pennington
Brooks Bollinger
Brett Favre
Mark Sanchez
Geno Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Josh McCown
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

1977 Richard Todd (11) / Matt Robinson (1) / Marty Domres (2)
1978 Matt Robinson (11) / Richard Todd (5)
1979 Richard Todd (15) / Matt Robinson (1)
1980 Richard Todd (16)
1981 Richard Todd (16)
1982 Richard Todd (9)
1983 Richard Todd (16)
1984 Pat Ryan (11) / Ken O'Brien (5)
1985 Ken O'Brien (16)
1986 Ken O'Brien (14) / Pat Ryan (2)
1987 Ken O'Brien (12) / David Norrie (2) / Pat Ryan (1)
1988 Ken O'Brien (12) / Pat Ryan (4)
1989 Ken O'Brien (12) / Tony Eason (2) / Pat Ryan (1) / Kyle Mackey (1)
1990 Ken O'Brien (16)
1991 Ken O'Brien (16)
1992 Browning Nagle (13) / Ken O'Brien (3)
1993 Boomer Esiason (16)
1994 Boomer Esiason (14) / Jack Trudeau (2)
1995 Boomer Esiason (12) / Bubby Brister (4)
1996 Frank Reich (7) / Neil O'Donnell (6) / Glenn Foley (3)
1997 Neil O'Donnell (14) / Glenn Foley (2)
1998 Vinny Testaverde (13) / Glenn Foley (3)
1999 Ray Lucas (9) / Rick Mirer (6) / Vinny Testaverde (1)
2000 Vinny Testaverde (16)
2001 Vinny Testaverde (16)
2002 Chad Pennington (12) / Vinny Testaverde (4)
2003 Chad Pennington (9) / Vinny Testaverde (7)
2004 Chad Pennington (13) / Quincy Carter (3)
2005 Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3)
2006 Chad Pennington (16)
2007 Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8)
2008 Brett Favre (16)
2009 Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1)
2010 Mark Sanchez (16)
2011 Mark Sanchez (16)
2012 Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1)
2013 Geno Smith (16)
2014 Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3)
2015 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4)
2017 Josh McCown (13) / Bryce Petty (3)
2018 Sam Darnold (2)

 

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Early Chad Pennington was legitimately praised by Bill Walsh.  Chad was going to be the next great QB until the injuries. Unreal leadership, unreal intelligence and work ethic- great anticipation. Below average arm that couldn’t afford an injury and certainly couldn’t afford many.

Sam’s on Chads level right now and trending up.

 

vinny and Favre were excellent when healthy but don’t count

 

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5 hours ago, PS17 said:

Must we compare him to everyone six games in... Give it a few years.

2 reasons:

1) It's more of an indictment of the history of Jet QBs

2) I still think it will be very interesting to look back in a few years to see what our early impressions of the guy were.  

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11 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

5 years into his career, where, in your opinion, does this thread rank in TuscanyTile2's list of threads started?

Here are some of his other threads started:

 

I forgot about this post but these picks are looking pretty good so far (though, of course, things can change).

 

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Statistically he's on track to finish with a top 5 season in Jets History. He's also greatly trending upward and is only 21 still. Then again its 6 games and it's too early to make a verdict.

 However In a couple of years he'll be regarded as our best QB ever. 

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is this thread serious? you want us to rank a rookie qb, 6 game sinto his career where he's had some good games and had some bad games? i know it's been forever since we had a promissing young qb but relax....you're gonna put yourself on such a roller coaster

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14 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Namath's last year was 1976 (at least according to wiki).  Where in your opinion does d'Arnaud rank 6 games into his career? 

Below are the other starting QBs the Jets have had since Namath.  

Matt Robinson
Richard Todd 
Pat Ryan 
Ken O'Brien
Browning Nagle
Boomer Esiason
Frank Reich
Neil O'Donnell
Vinny Testaverde
Ray Lucas
Chad Pennington
Brooks Bollinger
Brett Favre
Mark Sanchez
Geno Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Josh McCown
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

1977 Richard Todd (11) / Matt Robinson (1) / Marty Domres (2)
1978 Matt Robinson (11) / Richard Todd (5)
1979 Richard Todd (15) / Matt Robinson (1)
1980 Richard Todd (16)
1981 Richard Todd (16)
1982 Richard Todd (9)
1983 Richard Todd (16)
1984 Pat Ryan (11) / Ken O'Brien (5)
1985 Ken O'Brien (16)
1986 Ken O'Brien (14) / Pat Ryan (2)
1987 Ken O'Brien (12) / David Norrie (2) / Pat Ryan (1)
1988 Ken O'Brien (12) / Pat Ryan (4)
1989 Ken O'Brien (12) / Tony Eason (2) / Pat Ryan (1) / Kyle Mackey (1)
1990 Ken O'Brien (16)
1991 Ken O'Brien (16)
1992 Browning Nagle (13) / Ken O'Brien (3)
1993 Boomer Esiason (16)
1994 Boomer Esiason (14) / Jack Trudeau (2)
1995 Boomer Esiason (12) / Bubby Brister (4)
1996 Frank Reich (7) / Neil O'Donnell (6) / Glenn Foley (3)
1997 Neil O'Donnell (14) / Glenn Foley (2)
1998 Vinny Testaverde (13) / Glenn Foley (3)
1999 Ray Lucas (9) / Rick Mirer (6) / Vinny Testaverde (1)
2000 Vinny Testaverde (16)
2001 Vinny Testaverde (16)
2002 Chad Pennington (12) / Vinny Testaverde (4)
2003 Chad Pennington (9) / Vinny Testaverde (7)
2004 Chad Pennington (13) / Quincy Carter (3)
2005 Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3)
2006 Chad Pennington (16)
2007 Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8)
2008 Brett Favre (16)
2009 Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1)
2010 Mark Sanchez (16)
2011 Mark Sanchez (16)
2012 Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1)
2013 Geno Smith (16)
2014 Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3)
2015 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4)
2017 Josh McCown (13) / Bryce Petty (3)
2018 Sam Darnold (2)

 

Somehwere between Al Woodall and Marty Domres.

Really dude ?

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Namath was great, but I really wish people would realize just how much he wasted the gift of being a great QB on a great team by placing himself above his team. If he played every game like he did SB III (smart), those Jets would have won 2 or 3 SBs. But I guess that is par for the course for Namath, because the Jets won only the one SB (that he guaranteed) he is a legend. If the Jets had won more, we'd be talking about all of the other great players on that team rather than Namath. It breaks my heart for Philbin, Elliot, Biggs, Atkinson, Grantham, Baker, Hudson, Beverly, Sample and Baird who were, with little doubt, the greatest D unit the Jets ever put on a field, and Hill, Herman, Schmidt, Sauer, Snell and Boozer who's talents are ignored because of Namath's outsized reputation. Maynard is the only player other than Namath who ever gets any recognition. And isn't it odd that the Jets pulled off the big "upset" with Maynard a non factor due to injury and Namath relying on his D, O line, running game, and Sauer. sh*t, the guys that get NO CREDIT, won that ******* game, and they still get no credit.

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9 hours ago, David Harris said:

Early Chad Pennington was legitimately praised by Bill Walsh.  Chad was going to be the next great QB until the injuries. Unreal leadership, unreal intelligence and work ethic- great anticipation. Below average arm that couldn’t afford an injury and certainly couldn’t afford many.

Sam’s on Chads level right now and trending up.

 

vinny and Favre were excellent when healthy but don’t count

 

Pennington had the 2003 season and 2002 playoff debacle of poor play pre shoulder injury. He was never going to be the next great QB and Darnold has already shown more than him at a much younger age.

As silly as this exercise is, I'm ranking based on small sample size since that's all we had of Darnold. In terms of what I've seen 

1) Namath 

2) Obrien (1985 and most of 1996 he was an elite QB)

3) Testeverde (1998)

4) Darnold 

5) tied between a bunch of poo

6) I was originally going to list the worst QB we've had here whose seen significant action but couldnt decide on one, Rick Mirer, Bubby Brister ? 

 

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17 minutes ago, freestater said:

6 games in, we were pretty well collectively jerking ourselves over Sanchez, too.

Just sayin 

4 games in people were ready to call it quits on the darnold era lol

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16 hours ago, afjetsfan said:

I'd be curious to know how Namath was 6 games into his career.  Hard to say.  I think he is in the top 3 of the QBs we drafted.

1. Namath

2. O'Brien

3. Darnold

4. Pennington

5.  Tough one.  Maybe Todd

6.  Everyone else kinda sucked

I don't want to compare him to the veteran QBs we rented.   I mean Favre....it felt like he was on the team for like 5 minutes.  Just enough time for him to injure his shoulder after taking photos of his penis.  

 

How can you put Kenny 2nd when he never won a playoff game?? He never had a rushing TD and his backup  Ryan had a playoff win and did manage a rushing td.. :beer:

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25 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

How can you put Kenny 2nd when he never won a playoff game?? He never had a rushing TD and his backup  Ryan had a playoff win and did manage a rushing td.. :beer:

Because for a season and 2/3 as young player, he was elite and the context of this thread is comparison to a guy who has played 6 games 

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16 hours ago, afjetsfan said:

I'd be curious to know how Namath was 6 games into his career.  Hard to say.  I think he is in the top 3 of the QBs we drafted.

1. Namath

2. O'Brien

3. Darnold

4. Pennington

5.  Tough one.  Maybe Todd

6.  Everyone else kinda sucked

I don't want to compare him to the veteran QBs we rented.   I mean Favre....it felt like he was on the team for like 5 minutes.  Just enough time for him to injure his shoulder after taking photos of his penis.  

 

 

Testaverde had a very good year and got us to the Championship game.

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1 hour ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Namath was great, but I really wish people would realize just how much he wasted the gift of being a great QB on a great team by placing himself above his team. If he played every game like he did SB III (smart), those Jets would have won 2 or 3 SBs. But I guess that is par for the course for Namath, because the Jets won only the one SB (that he guaranteed) he is a legend. If the Jets had won more, we'd be talking about all of the other great players on that team rather than Namath. It breaks my heart for Philbin, Elliot, Biggs, Atkinson, Grantham, Baker, Hudson, Beverly, Sample and Baird who were, with little doubt, the greatest D unit the Jets ever put on a field, and Hill, Herman, Schmidt, Sauer, Snell and Boozer who's talents are ignored because of Namath's outsized reputation. Maynard is the only player other than Namath who ever gets any recognition. And isn't it odd that the Jets pulled off the big "upset" with Maynard a non factor due to injury and Namath relying on his D, O line, running game, and Sauer. sh*t, the guys that get NO CREDIT, won that ******* game, and they still get no credit.

God bless him for winning a Superbowl but it is a bit funny that a QB in large part made his Hall of Fame reputation on a game where his team scored 16 points.

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33 minutes ago, CTM said:

Pennington had the 2003 season and 2002 playoff debacle of poor play pre shoulder injury. He was never going to be the next great QB and Darnold has already shown more than him at a much younger age.

Preach on, brother.

While I will freely admit I was sold at first, in hindsight, Pennington's 2002 season was no different than the likes of Foles in 2013/2017 or Keenum last year.  They're guys whose entire careers were based around partial seasons of play when they stepped in as the backup, and never coming close to that when given the opportunity as "the guy".  His 2003 season in particular shows why the issues went far beyond the shoulder.  In the end, he mostly just fades into the rest of the group of guys we hoped and dreamed about, but never came to be.

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35 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Preach on, brother.

While I will freely admit I was sold at first, in hindsight, Pennington's 2002 season was no different than the likes of Foles in 2013/2017 or Keenum last year.  They're guys whose entire careers were based around partial seasons of play when they stepped in as the backup, and never coming close to that when given the opportunity as "the guy".  His 2003 season in particular shows why the issues went far beyond the shoulder.  In the end, he mostly just fades into the rest of the group of guys we hoped and dreamed about, but never came to be.

I was never sold and constantly scratching my head as to how those lollipops were being completed, in 2002 he wasnt just dink and dunking. The raiders exposed him

I've missed on plenty of other players but Chad just never looked like a guy who had the physical skills to be elite 

 

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