6 Games Into His Career, Where Does Sam d'Arnaud Rank In The Jet Starting QB List Since Namath?

[TuscanyTile2 12,927]

Namath's last year was 1976 (at least according to wiki).  Where in your opinion does d'Arnaud rank 6 games into his career? 

Below are the other starting QBs the Jets have had since Namath.  

Matt Robinson
Richard Todd 
Pat Ryan 
Ken O'Brien
Browning Nagle
Boomer Esiason
Frank Reich
Neil O'Donnell
Vinny Testaverde
Ray Lucas
Chad Pennington
Brooks Bollinger
Brett Favre
Mark Sanchez
Geno Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Josh McCown
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

1977	Richard Todd (11) / Matt Robinson (1) / Marty Domres (2)
1978	Matt Robinson (11) / Richard Todd (5)
1979	Richard Todd (15) / Matt Robinson (1)
1980	Richard Todd (16)
1981	Richard Todd (16)
1982	Richard Todd (9)
1983	Richard Todd (16)
1984	Pat Ryan (11) / Ken O'Brien (5)
1985	Ken O'Brien (16)
1986	Ken O'Brien (14) / Pat Ryan (2)
1987	Ken O'Brien (12) / David Norrie (2) / Pat Ryan (1)
1988	Ken O'Brien (12) / Pat Ryan (4)
1989	Ken O'Brien (12) / Tony Eason (2) / Pat Ryan (1) / Kyle Mackey (1)
1990	Ken O'Brien (16)
1991	Ken O'Brien (16)
1992	Browning Nagle (13) / Ken O'Brien (3)
1993	Boomer Esiason (16)
1994	Boomer Esiason (14) / Jack Trudeau (2)
1995	Boomer Esiason (12) / Bubby Brister (4)
1996	Frank Reich (7) / Neil O'Donnell (6) / Glenn Foley (3)
1997	Neil O'Donnell (14) / Glenn Foley (2)
1998	Vinny Testaverde (13) / Glenn Foley (3)
1999	Ray Lucas (9) / Rick Mirer (6) / Vinny Testaverde (1)
2000	Vinny Testaverde (16)
2001	Vinny Testaverde (16)
2002	Chad Pennington (12) / Vinny Testaverde (4)
2003	Chad Pennington (9) / Vinny Testaverde (7)
2004	Chad Pennington (13) / Quincy Carter (3)
2005	Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3)
2006	Chad Pennington (16)
2007	Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8)
2008	Brett Favre (16)
2009	Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1)
2010	Mark Sanchez (16)
2011	Mark Sanchez (16)
2012	Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1)
2013	Geno Smith (16)
2014	Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3)
2015	Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2016	Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4)
2017	Josh McCown (13) / Bryce Petty (3)
2018	Sam Darnold (2)

 

[Larz 71,663]

Between McElroy and Carter

[slats 110,370]

What is the point of your alternate Darnold spelling? 

[TuscanyTile2 12,927]

Just now, slats said:

What is the point of your alternate Darnold spelling? 

Heh, it's just to poke fun at WFAN callers who always seem to call him something closer to "d'Arnaud" than "Darnold".

[Spoot-Face 26,301]

5 years into his career, where, in your opinion, does this thread rank in TuscanyTile2's list of threads started?

Here are some of his other threads started:

 

[afjetsfan 164]

I'd be curious to know how Namath was 6 games into his career.  Hard to say.  I think he is in the top 3 of the QBs we drafted.

1. Namath

2. O'Brien

3. Darnold

4. Pennington

5.  Tough one.  Maybe Todd

6.  Everyone else kinda sucked

I don't want to compare him to the veteran QBs we rented.   I mean Favre....it felt like he was on the team for like 5 minutes.  Just enough time for him to injure his shoulder after taking photos of his penis.  

 

[greenwichjetfan 4,393]

#1

[Bleedin Green 79,943]

The full all-time Jets ranking is as follows:

1. Namath
2. Darnold
3 and beyond. Meaningless

[The Crusher 221,723]

5 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

The full all-time Jets ranking is as follows:

1. Namath
2. Darnold
3 and beyond. Meaningless

End thread

[Larz 71,663]

1 hour ago, slats said:

What is the point of your alternate Darnold spelling? 

Actually Darnold is likely an "Americanized" version of d'arnaud

yes I researched it when we drafted him lol

And fwiw Maccagnan isn't Scottish don't even get me started on that

[Xtina 1,991]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Heh, it's just to poke fun at WFAN callers who always seem to call him something closer to "d'Arnaud" than "Darnold".

Just the Canadien faction, right? 

[rangerous 4,169]

the thing about namath is he came onto a pretty loaded or soon to be loaded team.  those jets teams were very good and every bit as good as the colts teams of the day talent wise. hopefully the jetswill put the same level of talent around darnold.

[TJ 1,091]

5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Namath's last year was 1976 (at least according to wiki).  Where in your opinion does Darnold rank 6 games into his career? 

Below are the other starting QBs the Jets have had since Namath.  

Matt Robinson
Richard Todd 
Pat Ryan 
Ken O'Brien
Browning Nagle
Boomer Esiason
Frank Reich
Neil O'Donnell
Vinny Testaverde
Ray Lucas
Chad Pennington
Brooks Bollinger
Brett Favre
Mark Sanchez
Geno Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Josh McCown
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

1977	Richard Todd (11) / Matt Robinson (1) / Marty Domres (2)
1978	Matt Robinson (11) / Richard Todd (5)
1979	Richard Todd (15) / Matt Robinson (1)
1980	Richard Todd (16)
1981	Richard Todd (16)
1982	Richard Todd (9)
1983	Richard Todd (16)
1984	Pat Ryan (11) / Ken O'Brien (5)
1985	Ken O'Brien (16)
1986	Ken O'Brien (14) / Pat Ryan (2)
1987	Ken O'Brien (12) / David Norrie (2) / Pat Ryan (1)
1988	Ken O'Brien (12) / Pat Ryan (4)
1989	Ken O'Brien (12) / Tony Eason (2) / Pat Ryan (1) / Kyle Mackey (1)
1990	Ken O'Brien (16)
1991	Ken O'Brien (16)
1992	Browning Nagle (13) / Ken O'Brien (3)
1993	Boomer Esiason (16)
1994	Boomer Esiason (14) / Jack Trudeau (2)
1995	Boomer Esiason (12) / Bubby Brister (4)
1996	Frank Reich (7) / Neil O'Donnell (6) / Glenn Foley (3)
1997	Neil O'Donnell (14) / Glenn Foley (2)
1998	Vinny Testaverde (13) / Glenn Foley (3)
1999	Ray Lucas (9) / Rick Mirer (6) / Vinny Testaverde (1)
2000	Vinny Testaverde (16)
2001	Vinny Testaverde (16)
2002	Chad Pennington (12) / Vinny Testaverde (4)
2003	Chad Pennington (9) / Vinny Testaverde (7)
2004	Chad Pennington (13) / Quincy Carter (3)
2005	Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3)
2006	Chad Pennington (16)
2007	Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8)
2008	Brett Favre (16)
2009	Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1)
2010	Mark Sanchez (16)
2011	Mark Sanchez (16)
2012	Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1)
2013	Geno Smith (16)
2014	Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3)
2015	Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2016	Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4)
2017	Josh McCown (13) / Bryce Petty (3)
2018	Sam Darnold (2)

 

Fixed

[PS17 83,044]

Must we compare him to everyone six games in... Give it a few years.

[David Harris 6,597]

Early Chad Pennington was legitimately praised by Bill Walsh.  Chad was going to be the next great QB until the injuries. Unreal leadership, unreal intelligence and work ethic- great anticipation. Below average arm that couldn’t afford an injury and certainly couldn’t afford many.

Sam’s on Chads level right now and trending up.

 

vinny and Favre were excellent when healthy but don’t count

 

[TuscanyTile2 12,927]

5 hours ago, PS17 said:

Must we compare him to everyone six games in... Give it a few years.

2 reasons:

1) It's more of an indictment of the history of Jet QBs

2) I still think it will be very interesting to look back in a few years to see what our early impressions of the guy were.  

[TuscanyTile2 12,927]

11 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

5 years into his career, where, in your opinion, does this thread rank in TuscanyTile2's list of threads started?

Here are some of his other threads started:

 

I forgot about this post but these picks are looking pretty good so far (though, of course, things can change).

 

[Grandy 3,867]

Statistically he's on track to finish with a top 5 season in Jets History. He's also greatly trending upward and is only 21 still. Then again its 6 games and it's too early to make a verdict.

 However In a couple of years he'll be regarded as our best QB ever. 

[neckdemon 50,612]

is this thread serious? you want us to rank a rookie qb, 6 game sinto his career where he's had some good games and had some bad games? i know it's been forever since we had a promissing young qb but relax....you're gonna put yourself on such a roller coaster

[Jetster 13,322]

Why would this be difficult at all?

1- Namath

2- Pennington (derailed by injury)

3- Darnold

4- Obrien 

[shawn306 36,788]

14 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Namath's last year was 1976 (at least according to wiki).  Where in your opinion does d'Arnaud rank 6 games into his career? 

Below are the other starting QBs the Jets have had since Namath.  

Matt Robinson
Richard Todd 
Pat Ryan 
Ken O'Brien
Browning Nagle
Boomer Esiason
Frank Reich
Neil O'Donnell
Vinny Testaverde
Ray Lucas
Chad Pennington
Brooks Bollinger
Brett Favre
Mark Sanchez
Geno Smith
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Josh McCown
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_starting_quarterbacks

1977	Richard Todd (11) / Matt Robinson (1) / Marty Domres (2)
1978	Matt Robinson (11) / Richard Todd (5)
1979	Richard Todd (15) / Matt Robinson (1)
1980	Richard Todd (16)
1981	Richard Todd (16)
1982	Richard Todd (9)
1983	Richard Todd (16)
1984	Pat Ryan (11) / Ken O'Brien (5)
1985	Ken O'Brien (16)
1986	Ken O'Brien (14) / Pat Ryan (2)
1987	Ken O'Brien (12) / David Norrie (2) / Pat Ryan (1)
1988	Ken O'Brien (12) / Pat Ryan (4)
1989	Ken O'Brien (12) / Tony Eason (2) / Pat Ryan (1) / Kyle Mackey (1)
1990	Ken O'Brien (16)
1991	Ken O'Brien (16)
1992	Browning Nagle (13) / Ken O'Brien (3)
1993	Boomer Esiason (16)
1994	Boomer Esiason (14) / Jack Trudeau (2)
1995	Boomer Esiason (12) / Bubby Brister (4)
1996	Frank Reich (7) / Neil O'Donnell (6) / Glenn Foley (3)
1997	Neil O'Donnell (14) / Glenn Foley (2)
1998	Vinny Testaverde (13) / Glenn Foley (3)
1999	Ray Lucas (9) / Rick Mirer (6) / Vinny Testaverde (1)
2000	Vinny Testaverde (16)
2001	Vinny Testaverde (16)
2002	Chad Pennington (12) / Vinny Testaverde (4)
2003	Chad Pennington (9) / Vinny Testaverde (7)
2004	Chad Pennington (13) / Quincy Carter (3)
2005	Brooks Bollinger (9) / Vinny Testaverde (4) / Chad Pennington (3)
2006	Chad Pennington (16)
2007	Chad Pennington (8) / Kellen Clemens (8)
2008	Brett Favre (16)
2009	Mark Sanchez (15) / Kellen Clemens (1)
2010	Mark Sanchez (16)
2011	Mark Sanchez (16)
2012	Mark Sanchez (15) / Greg McElroy (1)
2013	Geno Smith (16)
2014	Geno Smith (13) / Michael Vick (3)
2015	Ryan Fitzpatrick (16)
2016	Ryan Fitzpatrick (11) / Geno Smith (1) / Bryce Petty (4)
2017	Josh McCown (13) / Bryce Petty (3)
2018	Sam Darnold (2)

 

Somehwere between Al Woodall and Marty Domres.

Really dude ?

[Sonny Werblin 5,022]

Namath was great, but I really wish people would realize just how much he wasted the gift of being a great QB on a great team by placing himself above his team. If he played every game like he did SB III (smart), those Jets would have won 2 or 3 SBs. But I guess that is par for the course for Namath, because the Jets won only the one SB (that he guaranteed) he is a legend. If the Jets had won more, we'd be talking about all of the other great players on that team rather than Namath. It breaks my heart for Philbin, Elliot, Biggs, Atkinson, Grantham, Baker, Hudson, Beverly, Sample and Baird who were, with little doubt, the greatest D unit the Jets ever put on a field, and Hill, Herman, Schmidt, Sauer, Snell and Boozer who's talents are ignored because of Namath's outsized reputation. Maynard is the only player other than Namath who ever gets any recognition. And isn't it odd that the Jets pulled off the big "upset" with Maynard a non factor due to injury and Namath relying on his D, O line, running game, and Sauer. sh*t, the guys that get NO CREDIT, won that ******* game, and they still get no credit.

[freestater 13,087]

6 games in, we were pretty well collectively jerking ourselves over Sanchez, too.

Just sayin 

[CTM 149,743]

9 hours ago, David Harris said:

Early Chad Pennington was legitimately praised by Bill Walsh.  Chad was going to be the next great QB until the injuries. Unreal leadership, unreal intelligence and work ethic- great anticipation. Below average arm that couldn’t afford an injury and certainly couldn’t afford many.

Sam’s on Chads level right now and trending up.

 

vinny and Favre were excellent when healthy but don’t count

 

Pennington had the 2003 season and 2002 playoff debacle of poor play pre shoulder injury. He was never going to be the next great QB and Darnold has already shown more than him at a much younger age.

As silly as this exercise is, I'm ranking based on small sample size since that's all we had of Darnold. In terms of what I've seen 

1) Namath 

2) Obrien (1985 and most of 1996 he was an elite QB)

3) Testeverde (1998)

4) Darnold 

5) tied between a bunch of poo

6) I was originally going to list the worst QB we've had here whose seen significant action but couldnt decide on one, Rick Mirer, Bubby Brister ? 

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by CTM

[The Crusher 221,723]

15 minutes ago, freestater said:

6 games in, we were pretty well collectively jerking ourselves over Sanchez, too.

Just sayin 

To be fair I’m sure some posters still do. 

[CTM 149,743]

17 minutes ago, freestater said:

6 games in, we were pretty well collectively jerking ourselves over Sanchez, too.

Just sayin 

4 games in people were ready to call it quits on the darnold era lol

[Savage69 10,685]

16 hours ago, afjetsfan said:

I'd be curious to know how Namath was 6 games into his career.  Hard to say.  I think he is in the top 3 of the QBs we drafted.

1. Namath

2. O'Brien

3. Darnold

4. Pennington

5.  Tough one.  Maybe Todd

6.  Everyone else kinda sucked

I don't want to compare him to the veteran QBs we rented.   I mean Favre....it felt like he was on the team for like 5 minutes.  Just enough time for him to injure his shoulder after taking photos of his penis.  

 

How can you put Kenny 2nd when he never won a playoff game?? He never had a rushing TD and his backup  Ryan had a playoff win and did manage a rushing td.. 

[johnnyjet 1,972]

16 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Heh, it's just to poke fun at WFAN callers who always seem to call him something closer to "d'Arnaud" than "Darnold".

Because that was obvious. 

[CTM 149,743]

25 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

How can you put Kenny 2nd when he never won a playoff game?? He never had a rushing TD and his backup  Ryan had a playoff win and did manage a rushing td.. 

Because for a season and 2/3 as young player, he was elite and the context of this thread is comparison to a guy who has played 6 games 

[Bruce Harper 4,106]

16 hours ago, afjetsfan said:

I'd be curious to know how Namath was 6 games into his career.  Hard to say.  I think he is in the top 3 of the QBs we drafted.

1. Namath

2. O'Brien

3. Darnold

4. Pennington

5.  Tough one.  Maybe Todd

6.  Everyone else kinda sucked

I don't want to compare him to the veteran QBs we rented.   I mean Favre....it felt like he was on the team for like 5 minutes.  Just enough time for him to injure his shoulder after taking photos of his penis.  

 

 

Testaverde had a very good year and got us to the Championship game.

[Bruce Harper 4,106]

1 hour ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Namath was great, but I really wish people would realize just how much he wasted the gift of being a great QB on a great team by placing himself above his team. If he played every game like he did SB III (smart), those Jets would have won 2 or 3 SBs. But I guess that is par for the course for Namath, because the Jets won only the one SB (that he guaranteed) he is a legend. If the Jets had won more, we'd be talking about all of the other great players on that team rather than Namath. It breaks my heart for Philbin, Elliot, Biggs, Atkinson, Grantham, Baker, Hudson, Beverly, Sample and Baird who were, with little doubt, the greatest D unit the Jets ever put on a field, and Hill, Herman, Schmidt, Sauer, Snell and Boozer who's talents are ignored because of Namath's outsized reputation. Maynard is the only player other than Namath who ever gets any recognition. And isn't it odd that the Jets pulled off the big "upset" with Maynard a non factor due to injury and Namath relying on his D, O line, running game, and Sauer. sh*t, the guys that get NO CREDIT, won that ******* game, and they still get no credit.

God bless him for winning a Superbowl but it is a bit funny that a QB in large part made his Hall of Fame reputation on a game where his team scored 16 points.

[Bleedin Green 79,943]

33 minutes ago, CTM said:

Pennington had the 2003 season and 2002 playoff debacle of poor play pre shoulder injury. He was never going to be the next great QB and Darnold has already shown more than him at a much younger age.

Preach on, brother.

While I will freely admit I was sold at first, in hindsight, Pennington's 2002 season was no different than the likes of Foles in 2013/2017 or Keenum last year.  They're guys whose entire careers were based around partial seasons of play when they stepped in as the backup, and never coming close to that when given the opportunity as "the guy".  His 2003 season in particular shows why the issues went far beyond the shoulder.  In the end, he mostly just fades into the rest of the group of guys we hoped and dreamed about, but never came to be.

[CTM 149,743]

35 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Preach on, brother.

While I will freely admit I was sold at first, in hindsight, Pennington's 2002 season was no different than the likes of Foles in 2013/2017 or Keenum last year.  They're guys whose entire careers were based around partial seasons of play when they stepped in as the backup, and never coming close to that when given the opportunity as "the guy".  His 2003 season in particular shows why the issues went far beyond the shoulder.  In the end, he mostly just fades into the rest of the group of guys we hoped and dreamed about, but never came to be.

I was never sold and constantly scratching my head as to how those lollipops were being completed, in 2002 he wasnt just dink and dunking. The raiders exposed him

I've missed on plenty of other players but Chad just never looked like a guy who had the physical skills to be elite 

 

[Jetster 13,322]

2 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

 

Testaverde had a very good year and got us to the Championship game.

Weren't we talking about guys we drafted?

[Bruce Harper 4,106]

16 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Weren't we talking about guys we drafted?

Oops.  I guess so.   My bad.