2019 Draft, Maccagnan better earn his money.

[sec101row23]

As this draft is starting to come into focus, it’s clear that this couldn’t set up any better for the Jets.  The Jets biggest areas of need line up with the deepest positions in this draft.  You have one of the best edge rusher and OT drafts in maybe the last decade, and you have a pretty deep WR group as well.  Not having a second round pick hurts, as there will be some very good talent pushed into the second round.  Mac can’t screw this one up, no interior D linemen, no ILBs, no safeties.   Edge or nothing on defense and linemen and weapons for Sam.   

Mac cant afford a repeat of 2017, he just can’t.  Time for Mac to earn that $$$.  

[Adoni Beast]

We need to come away with LT (either in Rd1, to start right away or later rounds to sit behind Beechum for a year). Ideally, you want a first rounder blue chip that’s going to be here for a decade.

We need to come away with a C, with the same options above. Sit behind Long for a year or start immediately.  I’m hoping Long’s injury gets better, as does his production and we can take a developmental Center in rounds 4 + that can start in a yesr or two.

We need an Edge rusher. Round 1 or 3, depending on who we take in the first. I’m hoping we sign or trade for an Edge so we aren’t relying on a rookie only. We actually have good edge depth, theyre starting for us, but they’re really depth, not starters. 

[Untouchable]

Step 1: Anthony Barr and Dante Fowler/Shaq Barrett in FA

Step 2: Jonah Williams or Greg Little in Round 1

Step 3: A big bodied WR like Collin Johnson in Round 3

I’m honestly willing to pay Bell big money over 2-3 years as well. He’s the only realistic offensive playmaker that we can land in the offseason.

[RobR]

Hopefully Mac isn't the one making these decisions.

[sec101row23]

16 hours ago, RobR said:

Hopefully Mac isn't the one making these decisions.

You know he will be though.  You just know he will be.  

Either way this is going to be a huge offseason for whoever is making the decisions.  

IF it is Mac, then this is make or break time.  He needs to draft to the strength of this draft and address the glaring needs he has ignored in his previous drafts.  

[C Mart]

On 10/21/2018 at 8:50 AM, sec101row23 said:

As this draft is starting to come into focus, it’s clear that this couldn’t set up any better for the Jets.  The Jets biggest areas of need line up with the deepest positions in this draft.  You have one of the best edge rusher and OT drafts in maybe the last decade, and you have a pretty deep WR group as well.  Not having a second round pick hurts, as there will be some very good talent pushed into the second round.  Mac can’t screw this one up, no interior D linemen, no ILBs, no safeties.   Edge or nothing on defense and linemen and weapons for Sam.   

Mac cant afford a repeat of 2017, he just can’t.  Time for Mac to earn that $$$.  

Not sure what's available via FA but a C also needs to be in the mix. Long appears to be reverting to his WASH form w/injuries. I believe the Jets have an out after this yr..

Depending where they pick in the 1st and what's available at that time but a trade down in the 1st to p/u a 2nd wouldn't be a bad idea. 

[maury77]

Counting down the days until we pick Greedy Williams at the 12th pick because he mysteriously slid and was the "BPA". 

[RobR]

9 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

You know he will be though.  You just know he will be.  

Either way this is going to be a huge offseason for whoever is making the decisions.  

IF it is Mac, then this is make or break time.  He needs to draft to the strength of this draft and address the glaring needs he has ignored in his previous drafts.  

Normally I would agree with that sentiment but I think there is a possibility they both get jettisoned after the year. If we have another meltdown and Bowles looses the team yet again I think(hope) Chris johnson pulls the trigger and cans both of these clowns. Their track record is long enough.

[maury77]

Where are you guys watching your tape after draftbreakdown got shut down?

[Paradis]

On 10/21/2018 at 5:50 AM, sec101row23 said:

As this draft is starting to come into focus, it’s clear that this couldn’t set up any better for the Jets. 

[Paradis]

On 10/22/2018 at 6:37 PM, maury77 said:

Where are you guys watching your tape after draftbreakdown got shut down?

Good question. Ledyard's got his new site the Draft network up and running but no film. I asked him where the boys from Draftbreakdown ended up. We'll see what he says. 

[Larz]

I've seen i guess 3 OTs with first round grades, but I would vote for WR or pure edge rusher,not a well rounded DE that also rushes.

Try like hell for a center and guard in fee aagency

[BigO]

Best OL needs to be 1st pick. I’m fact the 3rd draft pick should be as well. Do something and get a 2nd rounder back somehow. This OL needs to be remade ASAP. This is a PRIORITY.

[Gas2No99]

A Parallel perhaps?

 

Packers paying price now for Ted Thompson's last three drafts

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The dream scenario for Green Bay Packers fans played out slowly -- as all things do on draft day -- in front of their eyes.

The local hero from State U with the NFL bloodlines would be there for the taking.

 

T.J. Watt was available when the Packers drafted in 2017, but they traded down, and the Steelers grabbed him. Joe Sargent/Getty Images

Yes, it seemed destined that the Wisconsin native, Badgers star and younger brother of an All-Pro would become the 29th pick of the 2017 NFL draft.

In the moment when T.J. Watt could have stayed home and played for the Packers, then-general manager Ted Thompson instead traded the pick to the Cleveland Browns to move back to No. 33 and grab an extra fourth-round pick. Watt came off the board at No. 30 to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Thompson took cornerback Kevin King three picks later.

The move will be remembered as one of Thompson’s last major acts as general manager; he was demoted from GM to consultant after the 2017 season. That move served as a microcosm for Thompson’s last three drafts.

Those three drafts should serve as the heart of the team in 2018. Instead, there’s only four full-time starters: King, defensive tackle Kenny Clark, linebacker Blake Martinezand whichever running back (Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones or Ty Montgomery) opens a given game.

Only two teams have fewer starters combined from the 2015, 2016 and 2017 drafts. The Raiders, who have gutted their team since Jon Gruden’s arrival, have two. The Titans have three.

Drafting woes

These 10 teams have the fewest players still on their rosters from the 2015, 2016 and 2017 drafts:

Team	No.
Colts	6
Giants	6
Jets	6
Cardinals	5
Lions	5
Patriots	5
Ravens	5
Packers	4
Titans	3
Raiders	2

Meanwhile, six teams have 10 starters from those three drafts: the Cowboys, Buccaneers, Falcons, Jaguars, Seahawks and Texans. The Packers opponent on Sunday, the unbeaten Rams, have nine. So do two of the Packers’ NFC North rivals: the Bears and Vikings.

For a program that, under Thompson, predicated itself on drafting and development with only minimal add-on through free agency, those three drafts might best explain why the Packers sit at 3-2-1 heading into the most difficult stretch of their season, with road games against the Rams, Patriots, Seahawks and Vikings paired around the lone home game against the Dolphins.

“Ted was one of the best in football at running a draft,” one longtime NFL personnel executive said. “But he wasn’t in the same mindset those last few years.”

‘On board with Watt’

Passing on Watt and trading down meant the Packers picked up an extra fourth-round pick from the Browns.

But it wasn’t just any pick. It was the first pick of the third day of the draft -- a coveted spot because teams might want to jump up and trade into that spot for a surprise player who was still available.

Instead, Thompson used that pick on Watt’s college teammate and fellow Wisconsin pass-rusher Vince Biegel.

New Packers GM Brian Gutekunst, a longtime Thompson underling, saw so little in Biegel that he cut him at the end of his second pro training camp this past summer, even though he played just 121 snaps as a rookie after a foot injury delayed his start. Biegel, who is now with the Saints, has yet to record an NFL sack.

“Just about everyone was on board with Watt,” one source familiar with the Packers’ draft-room discussions said. “The only reservation was some people thought he was a one-year player [in college].”

The source did not know why Thompson couldn’t be swayed by those in the room. After failing to acquire starting-caliber cornerbacks in previous drafts, Thompson went with King, whose history of shoulder problems did not scare off Thompson.

 

Ted Thompson's final three drafts as general manager didn't turn out very well for the Packers. Brian Spurlock/USA Today Sports

King has the makings of a long-term starter if he can stay healthy. His rookie season ended in November of last year because he needed another surgery on his shoulder, and he already has missed two games this season because of a groin injury. His first major impact play came in the fourth quarter of the Packers’ game against the 49ers, when King snagged his first career interception to set up the game-winning drive.

Meanwhile, in Pittsburgh, Watt has totaled 6.0 sacks in six games this season and 13.0 in 21 career games.

To make matters worse, the Packers have gotten nothing out of their second- and third-round picks from 2017, either. Safety Josh Jones (No. 61 overall) has played four defensive snaps this season and can’t supplant former undrafted free agent Kentrell Brice. Defensive tackle Montravius Adams (No. 93 overall) lost most of his rookie year to a foot injury, and despite being healthy and active for every game this season, he has been on the field for only 21 defensive snaps.

One pick after Jones, the Steelers took productive receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster, and five picks after that, the Saints grabbed running back Alvin Kamara, the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year last season.

Other than King, the contributors from the rest of the class include only two third-day picks: running backs Williams (fourth round) and Jones (fifth).

A ‘Pro Bowl player’

Thompson’s last draft gem might be Clark, the 27th pick of the 2016 draft.

But despite what coach Mike McCarthy says, the reliable defensive tackle has not reached Pro Bowl status yet.

“Kenny Clark is a Pro Bowl player,” McCarthy said this week. “I mean, I don’t know how else to define what else he’s done. I think you saw it last year. He’s now stacking it each and every week. He’s obviously a focal point of the offense -- you can see that as the game plans unfold. Kenny’s playing at a very high level.”

Clark also might be the only player from the 2015-17 drafts to warrant a big-money extension, similar to what Thompson gave fellow defensive tackle Mike Daniels($10.25 million per year in 2015). That is, if the Packers don’t wear him down. He has played 321 of 381 defensive snaps, or 84.3 percent, an unheard-of total for a Packers defensive lineman.

Just like in 2017, the biggest issues in the 2016 draft came in rounds two and three. Thompson traded up in the second round -- giving up a fourth-round pick -- to take tackle Jason Spriggs, who has yet to show that he is an eventual replacement for aging right tackle Bryan Bulaga. In the third round, Thompson took Kyler Fackrell, a pass-rush specialist who besides one big quarter (three fourth-quarter sacks against the Bills) has been a nonfactor.

Martinez has been solid for a fourth-round pick, while another fourth-rounder, Dean Lowry, opened the year as a backup on the defensive line and is now a part-time starter after the injury to Muhammad Wilkerson.

All seven players from the 2016 draft remain property of the Packers in some capacity. Receiver Trevor Davis (fifth round) and tackle Kyle Murphy (sixth) are on injured reserve, but neither would be a starter even if healthy.

And then there was one

Montgomery is the only player on the Packers’ roster remaining from the 2015 draft, and there’s a chance that this will be his last season. His move from receiver to running back didn’t result in a full-time starting job.

But at least the Packers will have gotten four years out of their third-round pick. They can’t say that of anyone else in this draft, including first-round pick Damarious Randall or second-rounder Quinten Rollins.

Thompson doubled up on cornerbacks, with Randall at No. 30 and Rollins at No. 62. The problem was neither was a natural outside cover man. Randall played mostly safety at Arizona State, and Rollins was a former basketball player at Miami (Ohio) who played just one season of college football. A torn Achilles ended his 2017, and he was released with an injury settlement last month following a preseason hamstring injury. He is out of the league.

Randall, a divisive figure in the locker room, didn’t even make it that far.

Gutekunst traded him in March to the Browns for a backup quarterback, DeShone Kizer, giving up on a first-round pick after three seasons. Randall rejuvenated his career in Cleveland after the Browns moved him back to safety -- a move the Packers were unwilling to try, despite their shaky play at safety.

To be sure, the 2015 draft wasn’t loaded with can’t-miss prospects in the late first and early second round. However, one player the Packers had their eyes on, linebacker Eric Kendricks, was available at No. 30. He went at No. 45 to the Vikings, for whom he has been a solid starter.

Rebuilding job

It’s hard to say that a team with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback is in a rebuilding mode, but the lack of talent from the 2015-17 drafts put the Packers in that mold.

 

Team president Mark Murphy bears as much responsibility for that as Thompson. Only Murphy knows why he didn’t force Thompson out sooner after it was obvious to those around the GM that he not only had lost his edge but also was in declining health.

Thompson will go into the Packers' Hall of Fame at some point soon, largely because of the work he did with his early drafts -- from Rodgers in 2005 to Greg Jennings in 2006 to James Jones in 2007 to Jordy Nelson in 2008 to B.J. Raji and Clay Matthews in 2009 to Bulaga in 2010 to Randall Cobb in 2011 to Daniels in 2012 to David Bakhtiari in 2013 to Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Davante Adams and Corey Linsley in 2014.

But that’s largely where it ended.

Gutekunst’s first draft appears to have taken a solid step toward rebuilding the roster. The first-time GM tried the cornerback-one-two combination again and might have gotten it right with Jaire Alexander in the first round and Josh Jacksonin the second. He drafted three receivers on the third day, and two of them -- Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Equanimeous St. Brown -- already have contributed.

[RobR]

On 10/22/2018 at 7:37 PM, maury77 said:

Where are you guys watching your tape after draftbreakdown got shut down?

I didn't realize it was gone. Insert sadface.

[RobR]

On 10/24/2018 at 10:21 AM, Paradis said:

Good question. Ledyard's got his new site the Draft network up and running but no film. I asked him where the boys from Draftbreakdown ended up. We'll see what he says. 

Keep us updated.

[Paradis]

Keep us updated.

Sorry I meant to follow up. Ledyard told me there’s no site. Actually I’ll post his reply


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[Paradis]

Here’s a summary of what Ledyard told me—

 

Hey man, who exactly are you looking for from DB? It was Bryan Perez thing and he covers Bears full time now. And no DB just folded, no longer exists in any fashion. But all the games have always been on YouTube anyway

 

If you look on you tube, you’ll see lots of tape. Mark Jarvis cuts a lot.

 

Also, doubt another site springs up, there were too many licensing issues with the video usage and the legal red tape was a mile long. Just no way to profit. Big reason why they folded

 

..

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[RobR]

58 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Here’s a summary of what Ledyard told me—

 

Hey man, who exactly are you looking for from DB? It was Bryan Perez thing and he covers Bears full time now. And no DB just folded, no longer exists in any fashion. But all the games have always been on YouTube anyway

 

If you look on you tube, you’ll see lots of tape. Mark Jarvis cuts a lot.

 

Also, doubt another site springs up, there were too many licensing issues with the video usage and the legal red tape was a mile long. Just no way to profit. Big reason why they folded

 

....

 

 

 

 

 

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Well that ******* sucks. Do you have a link to that guys youtube channel? 

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, RobR said:

Well that ******* sucks. Do you have a link to that guys youtube channel? 

i just looked him up... guy has a lot of cut games. Still one man can't do it all, gonna skinny pickings.

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQKaDX0F4ycHNrYoCsotnpA/videos

 

[Thai Jet]

On 10/21/2018 at 7:46 PM, RobR said:

Hopefully Mac isn't the one making these decisions.

   Dream on

[jetsfansince7]

As this draft is starting to come into focus, it’s clear that this couldn’t set up any better for the Jets.  The Jets biggest areas of need line up with the deepest positions in this draft.  You have one of the best edge rusher and OT drafts in maybe the last decade, and you have a pretty deep WR group as well.  Not having a second round pick hurts, as there will be some very good talent pushed into the second round.  Mac can’t screw this one up, no interior D linemen, no ILBs, no safeties.   Edge or nothing on defense and linemen and weapons for Sam.   
Mac cant afford a repeat of 2017, he just can’t.  Time for Mac to earn that $$$.  

Trade Leo for a high 2nd rd pick


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[jeremy2020]

25 minutes ago, jetsfansince7 said:

Trade Leo for a high 2nd rd pick


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Leo isn't returning anywhere near a 2nd. 

[Philc1]

On 10/25/2018 at 3:24 PM, Larz said:

I've seen i guess 3 OTs with first round grades, but I would vote for WR or pure edge rusher,not a well rounded DE that also rushes.

Try like hell for a center and guard in fee aagency

There’s no Brick or Quentin Nelson in this year’s draft.  Jonah Williams has a mid 1st round grade we will be picking top 4

[bigalbarracuda]

The below mock was done on First-Pick, I know it's wildly optimistic but I do think if they trade down they could at least grab a 2nd and go heavy on offensive line after grabbing a pass rusher and a WR/RB.

Round 1 Pick 14 (TENN): Allen, Josh, OLB, Kentucky (A)
Round 2 Pick 14 (TENN): Arcega-Whiteside, JJ, WR, Stanford (A)
Round 3 Pick 4: McGovern, Connor, C, Penn State (A)
Round 3 Pick 31: Snell Jr, Benny, RB, Kentucky (A+)
Round 4 Pick 4: Dillard, Andre, OT, Washington State (B-)
Round 5 Pick 4: Scharping, Max, OT, Northern Illinois (A+)
Round 7 Pick 3: Langley, Isaiah, CB, Southern California (A+)
Round 7 Pick 4: Bee, Ryan, DT, Marshall (A+)

[jetstream23]

On 10/25/2018 at 2:49 PM, Gas2No99 said:

Only two teams have fewer starters combined from the 2015, 2016 and 2017 drafts. The Raiders, who have gutted their team since Jon Gruden’s arrival, have two. The Titans have three.

Drafting woes

These 10 teams have the fewest players still on their rosters from the 2015, 2016 and 2017 drafts:

Team	No.
Colts	6
Giants	6
Jets	6
Cardinals	5
Lions	5
Patriots	5
Ravens	5
Packers	4
Titans	3
Raiders	2

Meanwhile, six teams have 10 starters from those three drafts: the Cowboys, Buccaneers, Falcons, Jaguars, Seahawks and Texans. The Packers opponent on Sunday, the unbeaten Rams, have nine. So do two of the Packers’ NFC North rivals: the Bears and Vikings.

There are some slight patterns here but anything really conclusive in this?

Of the 10 teams with the fewest players from the previous 3 Drafts, the Patriots, Colts, Ravens currently have winning records.  The Titans and Packers are just below .500.  The Raiders traded away two excellent draft picks and the Cardinals and Jets are starting rookie QBs.

Of the 6 teams that have 10 starters from those Drafts the Buccaneers, Jaguars and Falcons are not good teams with a combined record of 11-22 right now.

One pattern that seems to emerge (again!) as always is having a franchise QB.  According to this data, the Patriots and Colts have been two of the worst teams at drafting yet have Brady and Luck....and winning records.

The Buccaneers and Jaguars have been two of the best drafting teams but without good QBs they both sit in last place in their divisions.

Teams obviously need to draft well but I think there are a lot of other considerations at play here.  In my mind, of paramount importance is hoping that we've found the capable franchise QB and then doing everything possible to protect and develop him.

[#27TheDominator]

12 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

There are some slight patterns here but anything really conclusive in this?

Of the 10 teams with the fewest players from the previous 3 Drafts, the Patriots, Colts, Ravens currently have winning records.  The Titans and Packers are just below .500.  The Raiders traded away two excellent draft picks and the Cardinals and Jets are starting rookie QBs.

Of the 6 teams that have 10 starters from those Drafts the Buccaneers, Jaguars and Falcons are not good teams with a combined record of 11-22 right now.

One pattern that seems to emerge (again!) as always is having a franchise QB.  According to this data, the Patriots and Colts have been two of the worst teams at drafting yet have Brady and Luck....and winning records.

The Buccaneers and Jaguars have been two of the best drafting teams but without good QBs they both sit in last place in their divisions.

Teams obviously need to draft well but I think there are a lot of other considerations at play here.  In my mind, of paramount importance is hoping that we've found the capable franchise QB and then doing everything possible to protect and develop him.

The pattern is that the Jets, Patriots, Ravens and Packers are the only ones that haven't swapped coaches.  The whole article spells out how the Packers swapped GMs and went nuts cutting picks.  The Pats are pretty stacked, always pick at the bottom of each round.  That leaves us and the Ravens.  Ozzie is retiring and people are talking about forcing Harbaugh out, but we are hanging tough with our guy!