nico002 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 It’s really amazing. Not sure how he does it. 27/38 399 1 TD no picks anemic offensive effort vs worst nfl d no big plays nothing yet somehow manages to mask the pathetic performance with a nice stat line guy is Houdini giants need to start winning some games to screw their draft position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Last drive was pure garbage time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Odell beckham is a fantastic player. He has beckham, sterling shepard and barkely. Also look at the weapons the falcons have their backup rb in coleman, julio, ridley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Odell beckham is a fantastic player. He has beckham, sterling shepard and barkely. Also look at the weapons the falcons have their backup rb in coleman, julio, ridley. ANd yet the Falcons have the same record as the Jets and the Giants have a worse record than the Jets. Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, nico002 said: It’s really amazing. Not sure how he does it. 27/38 399 1 TD no picks anemic offensive effort vs worst nfl d no big plays nothing yet somehow manages to mask the pathetic performance with a nice stat line guy is Houdini giants need to start winning some games to screw their draft position My dad and my daughter are both Giants fans. They get frustrated with Eli's play a lot. But whenever I say anything about him, they remind me "Eli has two SB rings and was the MVP in both. He got both of them beating the Patriots". As a Jets fan, I have no answer for that. We should only hope someday we get to put up with a QB struggling at the end of his Jets career who accomplished for us what Eli has for the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Will this be the first time in history a nfl team with a “elite” qb finished 2nd to last worst team in league ??♂️? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 My dad and my daughter are both Giants fans. They get frustrated with Eli's play a lot. But whenever I say anything about him, they remind me "Eli has two SB rings and was the MVP in both. He got both of them beating the Patriots". As a Jets fan, I have no answer for that. We should only hope someday we get to put up with a QB struggling at the end of his Jets career who accomplished for us what Eli has for the Giants. When is the qb not the mvp in the Superbowl? The qb would have to be absolutely abysmal to not win the mvp honors. The year malcom butler literally won the Superbowl for the pats because the nfl is rigged and the Seahawks didn't use their best player to his strength...Tom Brady won his what 5th Superbowl mvp?Sent from my [device_name] using http://JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 His oline is ******* awful. It’s honestly shocking his numbers are like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Who cares about his stat line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhuntr Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 15 minutes ago, New York Mick said: His oline is ******* awful. It’s honestly shocking his numbers are like that. Nate Solder 15M a year, totally getting beat last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, jackhuntr said: Nate Solder 15M a year, totally getting beat last night. One of the best arguments that’s patriots cheat, is when there elite offensive liunemen go to other teams and are exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Eli Manning is old. Great a player as Barkley is , taking him over Darnold was a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, bealeb319 said: When is the qb not the mvp in the Superbowl? The qb would have to be absolutely abysmal to not win the mvp honors. The year malcom butler literally won the Superbowl for the pats because the nfl is rigged and the Seahawks didn't use their best player to his strength...Tom Brady won his what 5th Superbowl mvp? Sent from my [device_name] using http://JetNation.com mobile app You know, that's an excellent point about the QBs. Thanks. The next time they bring up Eli and his "MVPs", I'm going to borrow your comments here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, nico002 said: It’s really amazing. Not sure how he does it. 27/38 399 1 TD no picks anemic offensive effort vs worst nfl d no big plays nothing yet somehow manages to mask the pathetic performance with a nice stat line guy is Houdini giants need to start winning some games to screw their draft position That sums up his career, average, sometimes good QB but his compiled #s look really good. he dominates in garbage time, when the game appears over he gets it going. He was brutal last night and cost his team another game but the stat line looks decent so he's a hall of famer! This is now the 8th time in 10 seasons he has led the giants to missing the playoffs and when they made it 2 years ago he led an O w/ Beckham to just 17 PPG. Eli has been living off those defense dominated SB runs forever. he's now just 3 games over .500 as a starting QB playing in a weak division w/ a lot of talent around him most of those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: ANd yet the Falcons have the same record as the Jets and the Giants have a worse record than the Jets. Go figure So I guess it proves we have superior coaching.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, bealeb319 said: When is the qb not the mvp in the Superbowl? The qb would have to be absolutely abysmal to not win the mvp honors. The year malcom butler literally won the Superbowl for the pats because the nfl is rigged and the Seahawks didn't use their best player to his strength...Tom Brady won his what 5th Superbowl mvp? Sent from my [device_name] using http://JetNation.com mobile app True but LB's ,DT's WR's RB's have won and even a kick returner.. LOL Here's the list https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/02/complete-list-super-mvp-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Eli IS a fraud. He had two memorable playoff runs which does count for something, but other than that, he's been an average QB for the majority of his career, and he's just been bad the last few years. As I've mentioned many times on this site, he's the kind of QB that is just good enough to hold on to his starting job for 10 years but not bad enough to lose his job after a few sub par seasons and the aging process starts to set in. Those two Super Bowl wins bought him a lifetime of mulligans from Giants fans and most of the national media, and will likely get him elected to the hall of fame. Is there ANY QB in the Hall of Fame that any of you would take Eli Manning over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 minute ago, ChuckkieB said: Eli IS a fraud. He had two memorable playoff runs which does count for something, but other than that, he's been an average QB for the majority of his career, and he's just been bad the last few years. As I've mentioned many times on this site, he's the kind of QB that is just good enough to hold on to his starting job for 10 years but not bad enough to lose his job after a few sub par seasons and the aging process starts to set in. Those two Super Bowl wins bought him a lifetime of mulligans from Giants fans and most of the national media, and will likely get him elected to the hall of fame. Is there ANY QB in the Hall of Fame that any of you would take Eli Manning over? Sort of like John Gruden in the coaching world,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhuntr Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 incredible lucky catches ( one he was in the grasp, but I didn't care since it was against the Pats). Without them he would have zero MVP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 hours ago, 14 in Green said: My dad and my daughter are both Giants fans. They get frustrated with Eli's play a lot. But whenever I say anything about him, they remind me "Eli has two SB rings and was the MVP in both. He got both of them beating the Patriots". As a Jets fan, I have no answer for that. We should only hope someday we get to put up with a QB struggling at the end of his Jets career who accomplished for us what Eli has for the Giants. 2 hours ago, bealeb319 said: When is the qb not the mvp in the Superbowl? The qb would have to be absolutely abysmal to not win the mvp honors. The year malcom butler literally won the Superbowl for the pats because the nfl is rigged and the Seahawks didn't use their best player to his strength...Tom Brady won his what 5th Superbowl mvp? Sent from my [device_name] using http://JetNation.com mobile app For real. Let's be honest. The SB MVP's in both of the Giants' wins should have gone to the defensive lines. I'm eternally grateful to Eli and the Giants for knocking off the Pats twice. But Eli was not the best player on the field in either of those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: Eli IS a fraud. He had two memorable playoff runs which does count for something, but other than that, he's been an average QB for the majority of his career, and he's just been bad the last few years. As I've mentioned many times on this site, he's the kind of QB that is just good enough to hold on to his starting job for 10 years but not bad enough to lose his job after a few sub par seasons and the aging process starts to set in. Those two Super Bowl wins bought him a lifetime of mulligans from Giants fans and most of the national media, and will likely get him elected to the hall of fame. Is there ANY QB in the Hall of Fame that any of you would take Eli Manning over? Eli doesn't belong anywhere near a discussion for the hall of fame. It's a complete insult to real Hall of famers that Eli is even mentioned as a possibility. He wasn't one of the best QBs if his generation, how can he be one of the best of all time. 14 minutes ago, jackhuntr said: 2 incredible lucky catches ( one he was in the grasp, but I didn't care since it was against the Pats). Without them he would have zero MVP's. The helmet catch was a complete fill fluke but we have to give him credit for the pass to Manningham. It would be very difficult to find a more perfectly thrown pass than that one especially considering the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I know I am a conspiracy theorist, but the vibe I get is that Mara, speaking for the Eli-obsessed fan base, pushed for Solder and Barkley and not a rebuild. Tough to second guess that one, but the decision does not appear to have been a good one. The Jets traded away the draft picks and got the QB, but need a lot more talent. That will be the challenge this off season. Chris seems to be letting the football people build the team-the problem is that the football people are not always on the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: One of the best arguments that’s patriots cheat, is when there elite offensive liunemen go to other teams and are exposed. Yep, they can no longer hold at will , move at the line pre snap and line up in the upside down flying V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: Eli IS a fraud. He had two memorable playoff runs which does count for something, but other than that, he's been an average QB for the majority of his career, and he's just been bad the last few years. As I've mentioned many times on this site, he's the kind of QB that is just good enough to hold on to his starting job for 10 years but not bad enough to lose his job after a few sub par seasons and the aging process starts to set in. Those two Super Bowl wins bought him a lifetime of mulligans from Giants fans and most of the national media, and will likely get him elected to the hall of fame. Is there ANY QB in the Hall of Fame that any of you would take Eli Manning over? If Darnold wins us two SB's, he can play here as long as he ****ing wants to. He could literally come out to the huddle break out a lawn chair and start smoking a cigar, and I would not care. By then it will be two hand tag anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhuntr Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: Eli doesn't belong anywhere near a discussion for the hall of fame. It's a complete insult to real Hall of famers that Eli is even mentioned as a possibility. He wasn't one of the best QBs if his generation, how can he be one of the best of all time. The helmet catch was a complete fill fluke but we have to give him credit for the pass to Manningham. It would be very difficult to find a more perfectly thrown pass than that one especially considering the circumstances. OK I'll give him that one, it was a perfect pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, nyjunc said: That sums up his career, average, sometimes good QB but his compiled #s look really good. he dominates in garbage time, when the game appears over he gets it going. He was brutal last night and cost his team another game but the stat line looks decent so he's a hall of famer! This is now the 8th time in 10 seasons he has led the giants to missing the playoffs and when they made it 2 years ago he led an O w/ Beckham to just 17 PPG. Eli has been living off those defense dominated SB runs forever. he's now just 3 games over .500 as a starting QB playing in a weak division w/ a lot of talent around him most of those years. in today's nfl you can't just look at the stats. you have to watch them play, see if they're hitting the open guys, how they deal with pressure, can they create on their own, can they make big plays, etc. parcells used to say, you judge a qb by how many times he gets his team into the end zone. by this measure eli sucks. it's not eli's fault that he sucks at his age, he's supposed to decline. it's not his fault that rivers/big ben/brees/brady are still awesome. and i think that's the problem with giants management/ownership. they think eli should be as good as them as his age, and they can't admit he sucks. i think they hired gettleman to wave the company flag and the barkley pick was mara's as much as gettleman's. the giants have changed gms, hcs, OLs and added barkley, engram and sheppard and they still can't score tds with any regularity. it's really amazing that nobody has the balls to call out eli for not getting it done but they'll blame obj if he talks to the media. the whole organization is in a massive state of denial but hey, that's why we have darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The big numbers come from the big chunk plays he gets with his star receivers. But for whatever reason he fails at key moments and is awful in the red zone. Plus, it seems like for every 20 yard completion, there-s a 10-yard sack due to his immobility and lack of pocket presence. They seem to face an awful lot of 2nd and 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 He had two great runs. Other than those Superbowl runs he was average to below average every year. Two runs that I'd happily take on the Jets, but his reputation has been massively inflated by his last name, his two seasons, and the city he played in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Savage69 said: True but LB's ,DT's WR's RB's have won and even a kick returner.. LOL Here's the list https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/02/complete-list-super-mvp-history where is Foles on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killa7 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 12 hours ago, 14 in Green said: My dad and my daughter are both Giants fans. They get frustrated with Eli's play a lot. But whenever I say anything about him, they remind me "Eli has two SB rings and was the MVP in both. He got both of them beating the Patriots". As a Jets fan, I have no answer for that. We should only hope someday we get to put up with a QB struggling at the end of his Jets career who accomplished for us what Eli has for the Giants. yeah well my Yankees have won a ton of WS. means nothing, just like Eli's SB wins now. what matters is here and now, and the future. and Giants look preeeeeetty bad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Wish we had Jets QBs this century as successful as Giants’ frauds, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, section314 said: Sort of like John Gruden in the coaching world,. John Gruden has 3 first round picks this April and at least 2 more the following April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, ASH1962 said: John Gruden has 3 first round picks this April and at least 2 more the following April And what is the Raiders over/under for wins in 2019 and 2020? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, jgb said: Wish we had Jets QBs this century as successful as Giants’ frauds, then. If our D/STs played like the Giants in the 2009 & 2010 title games we'd have at least 2 super bowl apps in the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, BigRy56 said: He had two great runs. Other than those Superbowl runs he was average to below average every year. Two runs that I'd happily take on the Jets, but his reputation has been massively inflated by his last name, his two seasons, and the city he played in. He played well in both runs just as Sanchez did for us. The Giants defense is why they won both SBs. Eli Manning has never won a single playoff game other than those two runs and he's never won a postseason game where his D allowed more than 20 points. He's now led the Giants to missing the playoffs 8 of 10 seasons and is just 3 games over .500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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