Bills Sign (then release) Terrelle Pryor

[playtowinthegame]

2 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

That's why I find it comical that the few stray Maccagnan apologists that still exist try to argue that the Jets are supposedly so much more talented than they actually perform.  Meanwhile, the former Jets of the past few years are either completely out of the league, or have been disasters with whatever opportunities they did get.

 Robert Foster made Pryor expendable....instead we got ArDarius Bust Stewart.  Lol

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

2 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

IMO he’s as bad as Idzik, with the sole exception that he panicked into Sam.

reading that pepper Johnson interview, not even sure I feel good about the Leo pick anymore.

crappy WR in a RB loaded drAft is no different than crappy TE in a WR loaded draft, Idzik level strategy

double safetyies was really the death stroke

He’s worse than Idzik, not only can’t he Draft and just heard today each player he signed as a Free Agent for “greater than 10Mill guaranteed”, at that dollar level you can make a strong assumption that he wanted that player as part of the core of the his roster, EVERY one outside of the LB Williamson (and he’s somewhat more than servicable, no All Pro) was an unmitigated DISASTER....Wilkerson, Revis, Fitzpatrick’s 2nd year, now $72 Mill to the CB Johnson.

He plays it safe in the 1st Rd taking the consensus pick, which is close to a Top 5 pick, so it’s basically a layup....outside of the 1st Rd he’s totally lost, as he is in FA.

[detectivekimble]

2 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

IMO he’s as bad as Idzik, with the sole exception that he panicked into Sam.

reading that pepper Johnson interview, not even sure I feel good about the Leo pick anymore.

crappy WR in a RB loaded drAft is no different than crappy TE in a WR loaded draft, Idzik level strategy

double safetyies was really the death stroke

What did he say about Williams?

[Nixhead]

6 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

He’s worse than Idzik, not only can’t he Draft and just heard today each player he signed as a Free Agent for “greater than 10Mill guaranteed”, at that dollar level you can make a strong assumption that he wanted that player as part of the core of the his roster, EVERY one outside of the LB Williamson (and he’s somewhat more than servicable, no All Pro) was an unmitigated DISASTER....Wilkerson, Revis, Fitzpatrick’s 2nd year, now $72 Mill to the CB Johnson.

He plays it safe in the 1st Rd taking the consensus pick, which is close to a Top 5 pick, so it’s basically a layup....outside of the 1st Rd he’s totally lost, as he is in FA.

In Macs defense - what free agent wants to come and play in this mess? In fact they go elsewhere for less money. Higher taxes here and a head coach that probably couldn't coach a pop Warner team. Macs lucky he got Williamson. 

[HelenOfTroy]

28 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

What did he say about Williams?

https://nypost.com/2018/08/31/i-was-made-scapegoat-ex-coach-blasts-jets-in-blistering-interview/

"Johnson also reserved criticism for some of his former players, calling Leonard Williams a poor fit for the team’s defense and Muhammad Wilkerson poorly fit to play so close to his childhood home in New Jersey."

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

20 minutes ago, Nixhead said:

In Macs defense - what free agent wants to come and play in this mess? In fact they go elsewhere for less money. Higher taxes here and a head coach that probably couldn't coach a pop Warner team. Macs lucky he got Williamson. 

You’re absolutely correct.

But there is no excuse giving Wilkerson the vault, not only after breaking his leg, but then it’s learned (by the fans, isn’t it Maccagnans job to know this?) the guy has lousy character, he missed multiple meetings BEFORE he scored the contract, Revis, now 72 mill to Johnson, and others, outside of Williamson ALL busts, like 99% of his draft picks.

If you take ALL of Maccagnan’s transactions as a whole, I challenge you to come up with ANY kind of strategy he had haha.  The whole thing is like a comedy at this point.  I was watching Bowles stand there like a sphinx last Sunday as street FAs blew the doors off his team and thought about Maccagnan getting thicker coke bottle glasses, the better to acquire more busts, and actually laughed a lot.  At this point I hope they BOTH stay, for the laughs, it’s not like ownership cares about winning, 100 years from now they still won’t....so why should fans care?

 

 

[Bleedin Green]

32 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said:

He’s worse than Idzik, not only can’t he Draft and just heard today each player he signed as a Free Agent for “greater than 10Mill guaranteed”, at that dollar level you can make a strong assumption that he wanted that player as part of the core of the his roster, EVERY one outside of the LB Williamson (and he’s somewhat more than servicable, no All Pro) was an unmitigated DISASTER....Wilkerson, Revis, Fitzpatrick’s 2nd year, now $72 Mill to the CB Johnson.

He plays it safe in the 1st Rd taking the consensus pick, which is close to a Top 5 pick, so it’s basically a layup....outside of the 1st Rd he’s totally lost, as he is in FA.

Maccagnan is all levels of terrible, but it's hard to suggest he's worse than Idzik, while dismissing at least a modicum of success with 1st rounders, when we're talking about the guy whose top picks were Dee Milliner and Calvin Pryor.  Macc already accomplished more than Idzik the moment he put in the pick for Williams, simply because the bar was immeasurably low.  If you want to talk about FA signings, Idzik is the guy who had multiple of his supposed biggest signings simply disappear from the team (Goodson, Patterson).

You know, it is possible for us to all hate the current incompetents running this team without everything having to supposedly be the worst ever, considering what a difficult low that is to hit with the history of the Jets.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

6 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Maccagnan is all levels of terrible, but it's hard to suggest he's worse than Idzik, while dismissing at least a modicum of success with 1st rounders, when we're talking about the guy whose top picks were Dee Milliner and Calvin Pryor.  Macc already accomplished more than Idzik the moment he put in the pick for Williams, simply because the bar was immeasurably low.  If you want to talk about FA signings, Idzik is the guy who had multiple of his supposed biggest signings simply disappear from the team (Goodson, Patterson).

You know, it is possible for us to all hate the current incompetents running this team without everything having to supposedly be the worst ever, considering what a difficult low that is to hit with the history of the Jets.

True...agreed.

But tell me something.  How do they come up with these guys? Haha

No one could do worse if they tried, and it seems unending.

Im still clueless as to the pedigree these 2 dolts had for not only them to be recommended, but have the owner sign off with no questions like, “Hey Bowles was just an assistant for 20+ years, why so long?  Why did it take his best friend to up him to DC...finally?  Yeah Arizona had a great D when Bowles was DC, but the entire D was All Pros, did Bowles actually make them what they were?  And how come Houston has NEVER won a playoff game with Maccagnan having more and more say about who fills out their roster, who are the great talents found by Maccagnan in Houston?”.

There were tons of Red Flags on BOTH these guys before they were ever even hired.

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, detectivekimble said:

What did he say about Williams?

He would have used pick on different player, because he wanted Grady Jarret in later rounds, and we already had 3 starters on DL

Basically, that he could have gotten similar production in our system out of a later prospect, so we should have drafted a higher beedneed

[detectivekimble]

14 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

He would have used pick on different player, because he wanted Grady Jarret in later rounds, and we already had 3 starters on DL

Basically, that he could have gotten similar production in our system out of a later prospect, so we should have drafted a higher beedneed

Turns out he was right.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

12 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

What did he say about Williams?

He basically said that he was totally the wrong fit for the kind of Defense being run (and I think Pepper Johnson has been proven correct).  Actually it's again the usual Jet "square plug in round hole".  Anyway, he's another reason to get rid of Maccagnan, who will sign him for big dollars to save face, to show that only 98% of his Draft picks busted not 99.  Many weeks you never even hear the "best player in that draft's" name called.

 

12 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

What did he say about Williams?

 

[jetspenguin]

he was only signed for intel....he was used and doesnt even know it

[kelticwizard]

 

When you're out of the NFL, you do anything you can do to get back in the NFL as soon as you can, before you are forgotten.  Even if you know you're being used, you still take the job and hope that you make a good play in practice or even the game to make them decide to keep you one more week.  Then another play the next week to make them keep you again, etc.  That's just the reality.

[HessStation]

He must be just an extremely unlikeable d bag. All the stories dating back to OSU. Boggles my mind how dumb some players are. Ego.

[Sperm Edwards]

13 hours ago, Nixhead said:

In Macs defense - what free agent wants to come and play in this mess? In fact they go elsewhere for less money. Higher taxes here and a head coach that probably couldn't coach a pop Warner team. Macs lucky he got Williamson. 

• Taxes are far higher in California, with a marginal rate of 13.3%. Suh and Watkins both chose the Rams over the Jets. 
• Taxes are higher in MN (10%) than here (9%). Cousins chose MN.
• There are some like Norwell who chose Jax with $0 state income tax, but there's no evidence that was the reason. If we lost out over money while sitting on that pile of cap room and about to go all-in on a new QB? How does a team in such a situation say $13m/year is wise but $14m/year is dumb? This is what they saved up for by tanking 2017 and saving cap room for the future. 

What makes players the most net $ is playing at that level the longest, so they outlive the guaranteed portion of their contract. Every player and agent sees the Jets sign high-priced players and then dump them into FA again with their reputations in tatters just 1-2 years later. That counts far more than the income tax.

Taxes have been high here and in CA forever. It's never kept players out of these markets, and every available FA doesn't only flood Seattle, Miami, Tampa, etc. Unless the area holds something for them (e.g. Decker after we cut him and taking less to live in his regular home in TN), players typically go where they think they'll have the longest careers and/or best lifestyle. 

Also a LOT of young players want to be in/around NYC. They're not out shoveling snow at 6am when we get a blizzard. Don't tell me they're all flooding to second cities (or lower) only because of a couple bucks. Not when they're signing deals of that magnitude and have the money to truly enjoy all that a major metropolis has to offer, which most there can't afford. Maybe it's a factor for some guys on the lower end, who feel the cost of living and extra taxes. But if that was really the reason then nobody would sign with any California team. 

[#27TheDominator]

He's also not very good.  

[#27TheDominator]

17 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

I’ll never forgive drafting Stewart and Hansen in the 3rd/4th rounds, them playing 5 snaps each and then getting cut a year after. THAT was pathetic.

 

16 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

How many guys has Mac drafted that have played under 10 snaps in their careers? Stewart, Hansen, Hack... were there others?

I mean, you've gotta be joking with this sort of track record.

I know this is funny.  Haha, but Stewart and Hansen played more than 5 snaps.  Stewart had 7 carries and 6 catches.  Hansen had 9 catches.  Devin Smith had 10 catches.  Stewart played 22% (231+132ST) of the teams offensive snaps, Hansen more than a third (341+34ST).  The problem is not that these stiffs don't get a shot.  It's that they don't produce. 

I like Herndon so far, but be aware that posters are counting on Leggett as a core TE when he has less career catches than the 3 mentioned above. 

[Thai Jet]

18 hours ago, BallinPB said:

Sheesh!  Whats with this guy?  

 

18 hours ago, BallinPB said:

Obviously a cancer to teams behind the scenes.  His production is decent.  I dont what this guy says behind closed doors but he must be a jerk.

  From what they said out here last nite : he only caught two passes and bobbled another which was an INT for the Bears. Sounded like it was strictly lack of production.  No caner or character issues that they've said.

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, kelticwizard said:

 

When you're out of the NFL, you do anything you can do to get back in the NFL as soon as you can, before you are forgotten.  Even if you know you're being used, you still take the job and hope that you make a good play in practice or even the game to make them decide to keep you one more week.  Then another play the next week to make them keep you again, etc.  That's just the reality.

Great points. There's constant pressure to produce. If you don't it's adios muchacho.

[Patriot Killa]

4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

 

I know this is funny.  Haha, but Stewart and Hansen played more than 5 snaps.  Stewart had 7 carries and 6 catches.  Hansen had 9 catches.  Devin Smith had 10 catches.  Stewart played 22% (231+132ST) of the teams offensive snaps, Hansen more than a third (341+34ST).  The problem is not that these stiffs don't get a shot.  It's that they don't produce. 

I like Herndon so far, but be aware that posters are counting on Leggett as a core TE when he has less career catches than the 3 mentioned above. 

Leggetts a goner next year too. He can’t stay healthy and hasn’t done anything since he’s been here. He’s worse off as a bust than any of them.