Thai Jet Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 How far the mighty have fallen. Raiders are a total mess. Hate to be a Raiders fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 hours ago, BurnleyJet said: Perhaps the worst HC signing I've seen. Gruden is dismantling the core of his team for Draft picks. The teams quit on him. It's going to be fun watching the disaster unfold. I'm surprised we've not seen Raiders 90210 around, telling us how great Gruden is, and how he runs the fastest 40 time of any Head Coach. ? Surprised ? He's probably on suicide watch. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I mean Al Davis did great things with the Raiders franchise until he got older and in later years it was poorly run. But now his son has taken over and just look at his decisions. He moves the team away from a loyal fan base when he had a new stadium available not far from Oakland in the South Bay in Santa Clara. No logical reason they could not have shared that stadium the 49ers were very willing. It's worked out for the Jets and Gis financially. He fires Del Rio who had success with the team and hires Grudin who hadn't coached in years. And is not known to be an easy guy to deal with. He gave him a huge contract rumored to be 100 mil for ten years. Not sure about the GM's status, McKenzie is a good GM he was building a competitive franchise. If Grudin is interfering not sure how long he will stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 The fact posters are actually saying play calling, game planning or even coaching in general doesn’t have an outcome on the way this kid played or how any player of his lowly caliber/pedigree can play....is just pure insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: I cant even believe this is a thing going on the board right now. Coaching, play calling, play design doesnt matter. Has no bearing on the outcome of the game. That's what a group of posters are pushing all around this board. That's where JN is at right now. Basically, we got dude running around saying, Bill Walsh sucks. Impressive, honestly. Coaching matters, what the fire Bowles crowd misses is that Woody doesn't shop for coaches retail. He buys them at the dollar general. They can fire Bowles but realistically he's the best cheap hire they've had since Woody arrived. He's not Hue Jackson. He motivates a 1 win roster to win 5 games last year he's going to get a 3 win roster to .500 probably. Every win he gets is a theft from a team with a better roster. The whole Gruden of it all is to get a coach anyone's heard of to take a garbage job like the Raiders or the Jets takes a pile of Money. Woody and Chris have no juevos to make Jon Gruden level 100 million dollar move and even if they wanted to, they'd have to hire a management firm or Charlie Casserly to tell them who to hire. there's never been a salary cap on coaches. the Jets just aren't interested in the luxury market. ** oh and side note it's not just Gruden's fault they suck. Like it was an accident. It's on purpose. He traded Mack and Cooper and the message that send to the locker room is awful. They are tanking on purpose to leave Oakland in the dead of night. There's no upside in winning these games for a fanbase who isn't going to be happy no matter what because the team is leaving. and as the Jets prove winning games doesn't actually make the team any more money. The Jets are the 8th most valuable franchise and like 28th in power rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Coaching matters, what the fire Bowles crowd misses is that Woody doesn't shop for coaches retail. He buys them at the dollar general. They can fire Bowles but realistically he's the best cheap hire they've had since Woody arrived. He's not Hue Jackson. He motivates a 1 win roster to win 5 games last year he's going to get a 3 win roster to .500 probably. Every win he gets is a theft from a team with a better roster. The whole Gruden of it all is to get a coach anyone's heard of to take a garbage job like the Raiders or the Jets takes a pile of Money. Woody and Chris have no juevos to make Jon Gruden level 100 million dollar move and even if they wanted to, they'd have to hire a management firm or Charlie Casserly to tell them who to hire. there's never been a salary cap on coaches. the Jets just aren't interested in the luxury market. There are only 2 coaches in the United States who may be worth anything close to what the fraud Gruden is making.....Belichick and Saban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, bitonti said: Coaching matters, what the fire Bowles crowd misses is that Woody doesn't shop for coaches retail. He buys them at the dollar general. They can fire Bowles but realistically he's the best cheap hire they've had since Woody arrived. He's not Hue Jackson. He motivates a 1 win roster to win 5 games last year he's going to get a 3 win roster to .500 probably. Every win he gets is a theft from a team with a better roster. The whole Gruden of it all is to get a coach anyone's heard of to take a garbage job like the Raiders or the Jets takes a pile of Money. Woody and Chris have no juevos to make Jon Gruden level 100 million dollar move and even if they wanted to, they'd have to hire a management firm or Charlie Casserly to tell them who to hire. there's never been a salary cap on coaches. the Jets just aren't interested in the luxury market. ** oh and side note it's not just Gruden's fault they suck. Like it was an accident. It's on purpose. He traded Mack and Cooper and the message that send to the locker room is awful. They are tanking on purpose to leave Oakland in the dead of night. There's no upside in winning these games for a fanbase who isn't going to be happy no matter what because the team is leaving. and as the Jets prove winning games doesn't actually make the team any more money. The Jets are the 8th most valuable franchise and like 28th in power rankings. Todd Bowles cant be upgraded. This is your thing now. Good for you. I love it. Do you, Bit, do you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Well I would not condemn gruden just year, they have 5 1st rounders in the next two years. He has all the time in the world to totally rebuild the team. They are in full tank mode and look terrible but they will add pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Well I would not condemn gruden just year, they have 5 1st rounders in the next two years. He has all the time in the world to totally rebuild the team. They are in full tank mode and look terrible but they will add pieces. Not to mention a new fanbase with money that won't care about wins/losses for the first few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: God I wish Sam Darnold had Kyle Shannahan here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Coaching matters, what the fire Bowles crowd misses is that Woody doesn't shop for coaches retail. He buys them at the dollar general. They can fire Bowles but realistically he's the best cheap hire they've had since Woody arrived. He's not Hue Jackson. He motivates a 1 win roster to win 5 games last year he's going to get a 3 win roster to .500 probably. Every win he gets is a theft from a team with a better roster. The whole Gruden of it all is to get a coach anyone's heard of to take a garbage job like the Raiders or the Jets takes a pile of Money. Woody and Chris have no juevos to make Jon Gruden level 100 million dollar move and even if they wanted to, they'd have to hire a management firm or Charlie Casserly to tell them who to hire. there's never been a salary cap on coaches. the Jets just aren't interested in the luxury market. ** oh and side note it's not just Gruden's fault they suck. Like it was an accident. It's on purpose. He traded Mack and Cooper and the message that send to the locker room is awful. They are tanking on purpose to leave Oakland in the dead of night. There's no upside in winning these games for a fanbase who isn't going to be happy no matter what because the team is leaving. and as the Jets prove winning games doesn't actually make the team any more money. The Jets are the 8th most valuable franchise and like 28th in power rankings. Todd Bowles and Gruden are, actually, good and the reason why we'll never be good is because we'll never hire someone like Gruden to an absolutely ridiculous 10 year 100 million dollar contract. Lol. I can't, this is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: Todd Bowles cant be upgraded. This is your thing now. Good for you. I love it. Do you, Bit, do you! I guess I didn't read it right. I thought he was saying Bowles could have been upgraded, but our owner refused to spend $10Mx10 years on an even worse coach. Was I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 We need and *expert* on this subject where is raiderholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Very rare where one play/event basically sends a franchise down hill. Saw with the fake spike for the Jets, the boat trip for the Giants and Derek Carr getting hurt in 2016 with these Raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I guess I didn't read it right. I thought he was saying Bowles could have been upgraded, but our owner refused to spend $10Mx10 years on an even worse coach. Was I wrong? Pretty much, but with a little bit of "we shouldn't think hes bad because Woody, who hasn't been here in 2 years, hired him because he's cheap". Say what you want about Woody, but the last 3 coaches he hired were the top candidates at the time. They just didn't work out. It doesn't mean we should stop trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 13 hours ago, jbone said: Nathan Peterman might even tear this defense up. Looks like the entire Raiders team decided to give a collective F U to Gruden. I think that was a huge part of SF looking so good. They are still playing, and Oakland just doesn't care. They have a crying QB, and a HC that is cutting and trading everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Coaching matters, what the fire Bowles crowd misses is that Woody doesn't shop for coaches retail. He buys them at the dollar general. They can fire Bowles but realistically he's the best cheap hire they've had since Woody arrived. He's not Hue Jackson. He motivates a 1 win roster to win 5 games last year he's going to get a 3 win roster to .500 probably. Every win he gets is a theft from a team with a better roster. The whole Gruden of it all is to get a coach anyone's heard of to take a garbage job like the Raiders or the Jets takes a pile of Money. Woody and Chris have no juevos to make Jon Gruden level 100 million dollar move and even if they wanted to, they'd have to hire a management firm or Charlie Casserly to tell them who to hire. there's never been a salary cap on coaches. the Jets just aren't interested in the luxury market. I have to dis agree. Woody spend a lot of money hiring consultants to find the best coach and GM for the job. At the time it went down, it looked like they could be a good tandem. It didn't work, but I have never read, nor seen anything that said some hot prospect coach turned down the Jets job because they weren't paying enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Pretty much, but with a little bit of "we shouldn't think hes bad because Woody, who hasn't been here in 2 years, hired him because he's cheap". Say what you want about Woody, but the last 3 coaches he hired were the top candidates at the time. They just didn't work out. It doesn't mean we should stop trying. If your "source" is still active, is there any opinion in the building on John Harbough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Coaching matters, what the fire Bowles crowd misses is that Woody doesn't shop for coaches retail. He buys them at the dollar general. They can fire Bowles but realistically he's the best cheap hire they've had since Woody arrived. He's not Hue Jackson. He motivates a 1 win roster to win 5 games last year he's going to get a 3 win roster to .500 probably. Every win he gets is a theft from a team with a better roster. The whole Gruden of it all is to get a coach anyone's heard of to take a garbage job like the Raiders or the Jets takes a pile of Money. Woody and Chris have no juevos to make Jon Gruden level 100 million dollar move and even if they wanted to, they'd have to hire a management firm or Charlie Casserly to tell them who to hire. there's never been a salary cap on coaches. the Jets just aren't interested in the luxury market. ** oh and side note it's not just Gruden's fault they suck. Like it was an accident. It's on purpose. He traded Mack and Cooper and the message that send to the locker room is awful. They are tanking on purpose to leave Oakland in the dead of night. There's no upside in winning these games for a fanbase who isn't going to be happy no matter what because the team is leaving. and as the Jets prove winning games doesn't actually make the team any more money. The Jets are the 8th most valuable franchise and like 28th in power rankings. You are right that Woody is the real problem, but wrong on what the actual problem is. Woody is not really cheap, he has put in tons of money on multiple occasions. The real reason he won't get a big time coach is because he wants to meddle. He knows that a big time coach would tell him to go F himself if he meddled. Someone who is happy to have a shot will allow it. Its really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, section314 said: If your "source" is still active, is there any opinion in the building on John Harbough? If John Harbaugh is fired, I would expect him to be our #1 candidate, alongside DeFilippo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Mogglez said: If John Harbaugh is fired, I would expect him to be our #1 candidate, alongside DeFilippo. Tnx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: The fact posters are actually saying play calling, game planning or even coaching in general doesn’t have an outcome on the way this kid played or how any player of his lowly caliber/pedigree can play....is just pure insane. Literally no one has said that. I think the thread is silly because people are lauding Shanhans innovation and bemoaning the fact we're "stuck" with Bates. Meanwhile..... Jeremy Bates and Rick Dennison are direct disciples of Mike Shanahan and running an offense in the image of those Broncos teams from the 90's and early 00's. Kyle Shanahan is the son of Mike Shanahan and running an offense in the image of those Broncos teams from the 90's and early 00's. Are their subtle variations in some of the plays or routes? Of course. Are they for all intents and purposes the same offensive philosophies? Yes. Lets see what happens next year when we get some more ammunition on offense before we make final determinations on Bates. Bowles on the other hand, sucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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