peebag Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: why are you like this? Not why, who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I've wavered on him. I frankly dont care if he goes or stays. What more evidence do you need that Mac is bad at his job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, RobR said: It was 100% Casserleys call on bringing in Mac.....unfortunately Wolf went along with him. Thanks, understood, but I also would like to know what if any jewel did Maccagnan uncover as a Scout? Which would be a basis for him being hired by the Jets. I’m not saying he didn’t, although I have my doubts now, the average fantasy football player could have put together a way better roster over 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, RobR said: What more evidence do you need that Mac is bad at his job? But that's just it. I don't think he's outright horrible at his job. He's had some hits and misses. If he had done nothing of consequence than I would be with you. Plus I am of the belief that coaching does matter a lot. I look at the difference between 1996-1997. 1-15 to 9-7 with a lot of the same players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Thanks, understood, but I also would like to know what if any jewel did Maccagnan uncover as a Scout? Which would be a basis for him being hired by the Jets. I’m not saying he didn’t, although I have my doubts now, the average fantasy football player could have put together a way better roster over 4 years. If we haven't heard about players he was banging the table for back then I doubt there were many worth mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: But that's just it. I don't think he's outright horrible at his job. He's had some hits and misses. If he had done nothing of consequence than I would be with you. Plus I am of the belief that coaching does matter a lot. I look at the difference between 1996-1997. 1-15 to 9-7 with a lot of the same players. My last post about this. We are in year four of his tenure and look at this roster. Our best player is our kicker who we signed a week before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, RobR said: My last post about this. We are in year four of his tenure and look at this roster. Our best player is our kicker who we signed a week before the season started. But that goes back to my second point. Is the coaching getting the most out of this roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: You will not convince me otherwise Oh well if YOU can't be convinced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, peebag said: Not why, who. Hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, dbatesman said: This is entirely the point. He’s hired guys himself. He’s farmed it out to Korn Ferry. He’s brought in Old-School Football Men for advice. And he’s failed every single time. All we can hope for is that he falls ass-backwards into the right guys at some point. The first step to making that happen is firing the wrong guys at the first available opportunity. Suspiciously, they all come back with the same exact mold of hc! It’s almost like our moronic ownership is to blame for the 1950s style team we keep trying to make work in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Hey don’t forget that Maye was ALSO an “old” rookie” at 24 when he was drafted. Maccagnan wants to be seen as some kind of savant. His newest “old” rookie Nathan Shepherd has done total Jack this year. I really can’t stand the sight of him and Bowles at this point. One question to anyone who knows, what in Maccagnan’s bavkground at Houston suggested that he could be a GM in the NFL? What players did he find? Houston of course has yet to win a playoff game in their history. The OLD rookie thing has driven me nuts. He does things correctly in the first round in regards to age (all 4 picks were 21 year olds). You can draft older players with limited upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: But that goes back to my second point. Is the coaching getting the most out of this roster? Have your eyes been open at anytime the last 4 years? This IS NOT an NFL roster. These are NOT NFL coaches. The “GM” looks like he just came off a bender from some dive bar, with all those stupid cups of coffee at his desk that obviously don’t help him in finding talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Macc cannot be trusted to spend the Jets' FA wad of cash this offseason. He is capable of crippling the team for years to come. He's got to go, too. Time to clean house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, DRJETS said: We were better off keeping Rex but his attitude according to many was bad for the Jets. please, rex ran a circus. it's not like he was developing any players and he was probably behind drafting pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsYanks13 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 When Quinn gets fired, hire him as our next DCSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 His team just lost to the Browns too. You will not convince me otherwise that Dan Quinn is basically the same as Todd Bowles. Quinn just got lucky that he landed with a team that was ready to win now and was stocked. Got to A Super Bowl and blew the biggest lead in Super Bowl history and has done nothing since Got to a what now? Was that word super bowl??? Wtf is that?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Bowles has had injuries too so I don’t think that’s equatable 90% of everything you post is absurdly illogical - usually in the form of some weird false equivalence. So this is rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: But that's what scares me about firing Mac. Woody went through the right process to get him. What if he abandons said process? But as I said, I have wavered on Mac a bit The right process? LOL. Seriously. No. Hahahahaha. They went to an corporate executive headhunting firm and paid a couple of disengaged has been to "consult" with who they should hire. It was a ******* punchline. And they wound up hiring a glorified regional scout and tweedledum. The Jets are a laughingstock. And EVERY MINUTE that passes with Bowles still on the payroll makes it worse. Mac goes when the clock strikes :00 on the final game. I don't want that fool anywhere NEAR our coaching search. A COMPETENT organization would hire a President or VP of Football Ops, preferably someone with at least some modicum of success as a General Manager or higher to lead the GM and HC searches, but I won't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Dan Quinn is no great shakes. Dan Quinn at least 1,000 times better than bowles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: at least some modicum of success as a General Manager or higher to lead the GM and HC searches, but I won't hold my breath. Ummmmmm Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly have rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Ummmmmm Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly have rings. LOL. So do the Pats janitors. Let's ask them next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, JiF said: Remember when Todd Bowles took his team to the Super Bowl? Man, that was awesome!!!! Dan Quinn: NFC Champion. 33-23 record. Todd Bowles: 10-5 that one time before Stevan Ridley was "The Gameplan". 13-29 since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: The right process? LOL. Seriously. No. Hahahahaha. They went to an corporate executive headhunting firm and paid a couple of disengaged has been to "consult" with who they should hire. It was a ******* punchline. And they wound up hiring a glorified regional scout and tweedledum. The Jets are a laughingstock. And EVERY MINUTE that passes with Bowles still on the payroll makes it worse. Mac goes when the clock strikes :00 on the final game. I don't want that fool anywhere NEAR our coaching search. A COMPETENT organization would hire a President or VP of Football Ops, preferably someone with at least some modicum of success as a General Manager or higher to lead the GM and HC searches, but I won't hold my breath. You're completely wrong about how we hired Mac and Bowles.....you're thinking of Idzik. In this case United who is right and I agree that we finally did it the right way last time. It turns out both Casserley and Wolf were wrong and it's painfully obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, RobR said: You're completely wrong about how we hired Mac and Bowles.....you're thinking of Idzik. In this case United who is right and I agree that we finally did it the right way last time. It turns out both Casserley and Wolf were wrong and it's painfully obvious. Ok, KF was Idzik. I conflated the hirings. But the rest of it, was the "right way" that turned out to be wrong and, painfully obviously? Charlie Casserley was a has been 20 years ago, and Ron Wolf was totally disengaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Ok, KF was Idzik. I conflated the hirings. But the rest of it, was the "right way" that turned out to be wrong and, painfully obviously? Charlie Casserley was a has been 20 years ago, and Ron Wolf was totally disengaged. Being a long time fan of the team that is the only GM/HC search that I thought Woody got right. He brought in respected NFL former GM's that are connected within the league, were successful and let them do their thing. It just sucks that he got it terribly wrong once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 hours ago, Coquito said: Be honest, you put the mirror on the floor so you can look at your brown eye. You should play Mafia with us. https://forums.jetnation.com/forum/23-mafia-game-forum/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 We are on the cusp of dumping one of the most miserable regimes in our miserable history and thisb guy is making call out threads about the hot HC candidate from 4 years ago?? i think I’ll go start a geno thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 6 hours ago, JiF said: Remember when Todd Bowles took his team to the Super Bowl? Man, that was awesome!!!! He actually didn't, but I'm here to tell you that that's actually a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Quote And for those who wanted to wait for Dan Quinn Remember when we passed on Dan Marino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 14 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: His team just lost to the Browns too. You will not convince me otherwise that Dan Quinn is basically the same as Todd Bowles. Quinn just got lucky that he landed with a team that was ready to win now and was stocked. Got to A Super Bowl and blew the biggest lead in Super Bowl history and has done nothing since we also wanted marrone, who is floundering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Quinn and marrone may be struggling right now but Quinn made a SB and marrone a title game. That's better than 5-11 every year, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 14 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Well most football people disagree with you so I should trust a troll instead? Okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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