Jetsbb Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/while-jets-todd-bowles-is-on-hot-seat-sources-suggest-mike-maccagnan-is-safe/300594584 Ralph Vacchiano | Facebook | Twitter | Archive Todd Bowles is on the hot seat with the Jets. Mike Maccagnan is not. That may not seem fair, considering they came to New York together in 2015 and have had equal hands in this Jets mess ever since, but that's the way it appears to be, according to several sources familiar with the Jets' thinking. Bowles seems to be on the fast track to being fired after the season while Maccagnan's job doesn't appear to be in danger at all. And the reason is simple: Maccagnan's job is to build for the long term, and his long-stated plan has been to compete for a playoff berth in 2019. All his moves -- including moving up in the draft to land the Jets their franchise quarterback -- have been with that goal in mind. And part of that plan was to capitalize on the $100 million-plus in salary cap space he created for them to use next offseason. So his job isn't finished yet. And the Jets seem intent on allowing him to stay to see at least that part through. Meanwhile, Bowles' job has been to win and to develop his team: Two things he hasn't been able to do since he started 10-5 in his first season. His record is 13-30 since then, including the horrific 41-10 loss at home to the Buffalo Bills on Sunday. It's hard to argue growth, development and progress after a game like that, especially when the team has now lost four in a row. That's not to say that Maccagnan is completely off the hook for this latest Jets disaster. It's lost on no one that he's the one who picked the players that are currently failing Bowles. His drafting has been suspect. Only 12 of 22 players from his first three drafts even remain with the organization. And despite all the money he had to spend in free agency last offseason, he didn't find any receivers for rookie quarterback Sam Darnold and couldn't fix the offensive line. But he did land Darnold, and that's the biggest part of his future plan. Once he struck out on free agent Kirk Cousins, who took less money to sign with the Minnesota Vikings, he traded three second-round picks to move up three spots in the NFL draft. Maccagnan thought he was moving up to land Baker Mayfield, according to an NFL source, but he ended up with Darnold, the top quarterback on his board. Christopher Johnson, the Jets' CEO, was thrilled with that bold move and has been enamored with the early returns from Darnold. At the very least, Maccagnan will be given time to see how Darnold will work out. He might face a playoffs-or-else ultimatum next season, but that could be more than Bowles will get. The disaster on Sunday may have sealed that. Because before that, the biggest thing he had going for him was that his players seemed to love him and played hard for him, especially on defense. The game on Sunday was a major step back in that regard. So that will leave Johnson to ponder whether Bowles has lost his grip on his players. And perhaps more importantly, he needs to decide if he's the right coach to shepherd Darnold in the early stages of his career, or if the Jets would be better off with a young, offensive-minded coach in what has become an increasingly offensive league. No, he hasn't exactly been dealt a stacked deck of players and Maccagnan is responsible for that. But the Jets so far seem comfortable with his long-term plan and vision. The fates of Bowles and Maccagnan are not intertwined. They may have come in together nearly four years ago, but if changes are made, Bowles will likely be the first to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 MacSuck and Bowlfull of **** have both got to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I will drag that motherf*cker out of Florham Park myself if I have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Great, good, terrific, awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: I will drag that motherf*cker out of Florham Park myself if I have to. No worries, I just tweeted the president and asked him to fire Woody since he will not fire Todd and Mike. It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 How can he get away with four years of garbage? How blind are the Johnsons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Because that makes perfect Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Maccagnan has not picked an offensive lineman in the first four rounds in ANY!!! of his drafts. But hey, year five of the rebuild needs to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 So excited for the thread debates in a year about whether to clean house and fire Mac's hand-picked HC along with him, or to give the new HC at least three more years with a real rebuild and a real GM picking our drafts, while, at the same time, limiting ourselves in finding that quality GM hire by handcuffing him to an incumbent HC that he didn't pick... yet again. Then in 4 years after that... "Well, HC (insert failed name here) is certainly a problem, but I'd like withhold judgement on GM (insert potentially failed GM name here) until we see him with his own yadda yadda bullsh*t That, my children is called "The Cycle of Failure and Managerial Ineptitude" Ain't life fascinating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Great, good, terrific, awesome Why do I get the feeling you don't actually mean those words? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, PS17 said: Maccagnan has not picked an offensive lineman in the first four rounds in ANY!!! of his drafts. But hey, year five of the rebuild needs to go on. Because Macc once ordered a half and half soy cappuccino, but Wayne Hunter made it a half and half soy mochachino and now Macc hates linemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 50 minutes ago, Jetsbb said: Maccagnan will be given time to see how Darnold will work out. He might face a playoffs-or-else ultimatum next season, but that could be more than Bowles will get. This doesn’t make sense. If they are going to give him time to see how Darnold works out then setting next year with “a playoffs or bust” tag for Maccagnan is idiotic. Not to mention if they let Maccagnan sign his own HC and then Maccagnan gets fired next year then where does that leave the newly signed HC? The next GM will not want to inherit him. Point is..if you are keeping Maccagnan over Bowles, you basically have to hold on to him for 3 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 34 minutes ago, PS17 said: How can he get away with four years of garbage? How blind are the Johnsons? Darnold. Thats it. That’s the only reason. He’s the man who picked Sam Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Darnold. Thats it. That’s the only reason. He’s the man who picked Sam Darnold. Darnold is playing like sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, PS17 said: Darnold is playing like sh*t. It’s his rookie season. No one with a brain has given up on him, therefore, the pick isn’t labeled anything yet and doesn’t reflect on Macc until the success of the pick is established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Darnold. Thats it. That’s the only reason. He’s the man who picked Sam Darnold. what i see is mac's original time table was to compete in 2019. i guess if they launch bowles it gets pushed of another year or two? it's kind of ridiculous and i can only mac is plenty upset the way this team has been playing even with darnold at qb. and mccown starting kind of proved the problem is with every player besides darnold. that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said: I will drag that motherf*cker out of Florham Park myself if I have to. Creep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 What A-list HC prospect is going to consider the Jets if Mac is still here picking all the groceries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, PS17 said: Maccagnan has not picked an offensive lineman in the first four rounds in ANY!!! of his drafts. But hey, year five of the rebuild needs to go on. That's Year 2 of the 4th Maccagnan rebuild to you, sir. Get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 If they're going to keep around Maccagnan you might as well keep Bowles for another year. In no situation is keeping Maccagnan acceptable. With Bowles gone but Macc still around, that means he either gets to pick the next HC, or the owners pick the HC for him. And whichever one of those scenarios they choose will mean another 3+ year disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Darnold. Thats it. That’s the only reason. He’s the man who picked Sam Darnold. And he didn't even trade up for Darnold. He traded up to a spot where he happened to fall into Darnold. And that's a very important distinction that the Johnson's are clearly ignoring. If Macc had made tons of good moves and lucked into Darnold, that would be one thing. But since he deserves zero benefit of the doubt, that alone should not save him. It's lunacy. Even if somehow he knew Darnold would fall (he didn't), he did absolutely nothing in 4 years to prepare for the moment we'd have a franchise QB. Borderline criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 The author was great in Karate Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, PS17 said: Maccagnan has not picked an offensive lineman in the first four rounds in ANY!!! of his drafts. But hey, year five of the rebuild needs to go on. And to make it worse he hasn't hit on bupkiss with any of those picks outside the first. Would be different if we got some star skill players in consideration for the OL neglect 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And he didn't even trade up for Darnold. He traded up to a spot where he happened to fall into Darnold. And that's a very important distinction that the Johnson's are clearly ignoring. If Macc had made tons of good moves and lucked into Darnold, that would be one thing. But since he deserves zero benefit of the doubt, that alone should not save him. It's lunacy. If Giants didn't Giants, we would've gotten Josh Allen'd (although to be fair he did put us in the position to benefit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, rangerous said: what i see is mac's original time table was to compete in 2019. And its absurd to think that will be the case next season. We have a makeshift offensive line, no WR1, no pass rusher and only 1 decent corner (Claiborne). Even that $100 million in cap space won't fix all those holes. And even if we do sign players at all those spots, you can't build a competitive team off of mercenaries. It's never worked in the history of the NFL. You can supplement what you have with free agents. But you can't use free agency on a bunch of premium positions at once and ever expect it to work. Not only because of the respective attitudes of the players coming in, but also because other teams out there saw fit to let them walk for a reason. Hence why we ended up with Trumaine Johnson this past offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Only way I’d be okay with keeping Macc is if he personally guaranteed me that upgrading the offense is his highest priority for the foreseeable future. I’m talking Le’Veon Bell and Tyrell Williams in FA, a LT like Jonah Williams in the 1st round, etc. That’s the kind of sh*t that needs to happen come March/April if you want to put Darnold in position to develop into a Top 10 QB and score more than 12–16 points a game moving forward. You have the resources, so go do it. He also better be able to attract a proven coach like Mike Shanahan or John Harbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, jgb said: And to make it worse he hasn't hit on bupkiss with any of those picks outside the first. Would be different if we got some star skill players in consideration for the OL neglect If Giants didn't Giants, we would've gotten Josh Allen. Macc got luuuuuuuuucky (although to be fair he did put us in the position to benefit) Yeah, the trade itself was a good one. We had to do something to move up. But we did so blindly, not knowing which QB we'd end up with. So even the best move in Macc's tenure as GM was done so by stumbling drunkenly into it. And that doesn't make up for his many, many mistakes, nor does it bode well for the 2018 offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Untouchable said: He also better be able to attract a proven coach like Mike Shanahan or John Harbaugh. Only way that would have even a remote chance of happening is if Macc and Bowles are fired today and the Johnson's sold the team tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 “He might face a playoffs-or-else ultimatum next season” So ya gonna let a GM who has a 2019 playoffs or bust ultimatum spend $100m of cap space. This would be so classic Jets - it’s not even funny. The Johnson’s are setting us up to be left holding the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, KINGDIRK said: “He might face a playoffs-or-else ultimatum next season” So ya gonna let a GM who has a 2019 playoffs or bust ultimatum spend $100m of cap space. This would be so classic Jets - it’s not even funny. The Johnson’s are setting us up to be left holding the bag. Exactly. It's the worst possible mentality. It's like giving a ferrari to a teenager who has had his license suspended twice and being like "Certainly he won't mess things up this time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 This only works if the next HC is an experienced NFL HC. But, that said, an experienced HC will likely only take the job if they have the power to overrule Mac on personnel decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 hours ago, PS17 said: Darnold is playing like sh*t. GEEEEE.....I wonder why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Why do all the awful reporters who cover this joke of a franchise act like Mac was given the job last year? How do his first three years of nothingness somehow suddenly contribute to this building a winner by 2019 narrative? The Jets are really really dumb, the media might be even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I like this give Mac one year with a new coach, hire the coach with the impression they are both on the hot seat together if mac and new coach don't pan out than year down for the complete rebuild.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 A monumental mistake if true. Maccagnan has shown no ability to draft outside the first round, plus it makes then head coaching job less appealing. And if Maccagnan gets axed next year then do you have a situation where you’re forcing the HC on the GM again? Plus if Maccagnan knows his job is on the line with a lot of cap space he’s likely not going to leave the team in a good position. This is the perfect time to hit reset. High draft pick, empty roster, lots of cap space. Clean. House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Jets fans seem to forget or not realize that this team makes money win or lose in fact, losing might be more profitable than winning why would they fire Mac or Bowles, when firing these people requires a buy out AND a replacement To pay Bowles to NOT coach? That's absurd. Winning is hard and expensive. It's way easier to just sit there and let the TV money roll in. to pay for a coach not to coach the Johnsons that would be like paying for two stool butlers when a human posterior really only needs one. If anyone knows how to manage a household of servants without going broke, it's the Johnsons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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