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33 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Are you seriously going to act salty over being the only Maccagnan supporter left for god knows what reason...?

Plenty Macc supporters..  we are just not as loud as the haters.

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Mac has had 4 years and his list of accomplishments to turn this into a successful franchise are what exactly? 

1) Didn't screw up first round selections (for teams that are not the Jets this is not an accomplishment)

2) gambled, and won, on trading to the #3 spot to draft a QB

3)

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But wait, Mac may suck at a lot of things, but the man knows his WRs. Over the past 4 years he has used a 2d, 3d, 4th, and 7th round pick on WRs.  Who's on the team now? Only the 7th round pick, and the best WR taken out of college by Mac was an undrafted college free agent (Anderson).

Ugghhhh. It's like he has no idea that good teams find good players in rounds two through four.

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Looking for a CB? There is no place like the 6th round.

Mac has selected 3 CBs in the 6th round. Justin Burris was taken in the 4th round, but that's probably why we cut him loose. If you want to stick with the Jets as a CB, make sure they take you in the 6th round, or just become an UFA for another team and Mac will be sure to sign you for big bucks because he has no idea how to evaluate CBs in the draft.

 

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4 years into a rebuild and we're still at square one in Year 1 of the rebuild.  How is this possible?

Something like 80% or more of Macs draft picks are no longer in the NFL.

The rest are decent to good at best starters (no pro bowlers, all JAGs). 

He's wasted a ton of money in FA and that has produced zero talent as well. 

The only reason we have $100M in cap space is because half the team needs to be filled next year.

How the organization says Mac's job is "safe" is mind boggling.

I will not watch anymore games this season.  I only watched the Buffalo game after the Miami debacle because I thought it was our best chance for a win.  We all see how that turned out. 

No more money/loyalty from me until both Mac and Bowles are gone and the Jets get a clue.

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9 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Mac has had 4 years and his list of accomplishments to turn this into a successful franchise are what exactly? 

1) Didn't screw up first round selections (for teams that are not the Jets this is not an accomplishment)

2) gambled, and won, on trading to the #3 spot to draft a QB

3)

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4- Traded Pryor for Demario Davis

5- Upgraded from Davis with Williamson

6- Signed Robby Anderson as a FA

7- Traded Sheldon for a 2nd and Kearse (who was good last year)

8- Drafted Herndon/Mcguire/Cannon who all have shown some flashes. 

I am not suggesting Mac should be up for GM of the year. He has failed too often in the mid-late rounds. But his trades have been good. He has built a young team and has a ton of cap space. 

This isn't like Idzik where there was no franchise QB in place and no good young players. We have Adams/Williams/Darnold and a few others to build around. 

If they fired Macc, I wouldn't lose any sleep, but I don't think that is this team's problem. I think we need an offensive minded, young coach to lead this team into the future...and not some re-tread old school, hard nosed coach that thinks running the ball and defense wins games. 

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2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Forgetting the rest of this nonsense, Trenton Cannon has 166 yards from scrimmage.  He is averaging 3.3 ypc and under 6 ypg.  This is a positive in your eyes? 

Plus, it looks like he has bad hands.  Not good for a 180 pound RB.  

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7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

4- Traded Pryor for Demario Davis And they let Davis walk 

5- Upgraded from Davis with Williamson  please, Williamson is OK. It's not like he landed an all pro. He filled a hole with an available UFA who's team, the Titans, didn't want

6- Signed Robby Anderson as a FA because he has wasted 2d, 3d, and 4th round picks on WR that didn't make the team. Why didn't he know that Anderson was worthy of at least a 7th round pick. Being lucky doesn't make you a good GM. 

7- Traded Sheldon for a 2nd and Kearse (who was good last year) I'll give you this. Highway robbery.

8- Drafted Herndon/Mcguire/Cannon who all have shown some flashes.  FLASHES!! Have we dropped the bar so low for evaluating Jet GM's that guys who flash count as a success?

I am not suggesting Mac should be up for GM of the year. He has failed too often in the mid-late rounds. But his trades have been good. He has built a young team and has a ton of cap space. 

This isn't like Idzik where there was no franchise QB in place and no good young players. We have Adams/Williams/Darnold and a few others to build around. 

If they fired Macc, I wouldn't lose any sleep, but I don't think that is this team's problem. I think we need an offensive minded, young coach to lead this team into the future...and not some re-tread old school, hard nosed coach that thinks running the ball and defense wins games. 

 

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2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

1. Dump Macc today

2. Hire GM tomorrow

3. Let him replace Bowles with his guy end of season

4. profit

I'd love to hear Manish Mehta's "rationale" for keeping Mike Maccagnan until the end of the season. We don't need Mac to find practice squad scrubs for the remainder of the 2018 season. We certainly don't need his research for the 2019 Draft. 

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Mac has had 11 picks in rounds 2 through 4. How many are on the Jets? FOUR! 4 out of 11! let that sink in.

And two of those guys are from this years draft.

In Mac's first three drafts, he had 9 picks in rounds 2 through 4. And only 2 of those players are on the team. That is 22%. 

Mac must wake up in the morning and think, "Whose desk do I gotta $hit on to get fired around here?"

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7 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Mac has had 11 picks in rounds 2 through 4. How many are on the Jets? FOUR! 4 out of 11! let that sink in.

And two of those guys are from this years draft.

In Mac's first three drafts, he had 9 picks in rounds 2 through 4. And only 2 of those players are on the team. That is 22%. 

Mac must wake up in the morning and think, "Whose desk do I gotta $hit on to get fired around here?"

This is great haha. But terrible at the same time. 

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18 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Forgetting the rest of this nonsense, Trenton Cannon has 166 yards from scrimmage.  He is averaging 3.3 ypc and under 6 ypg.  This is a positive in your eyes? 

in 2016 ,Todd Gurley averaged 3.2ypc.

Last year Powell averaged 4.3ypc while Bell averaged 4ypc  There is more to a RB than YPC.  If you have a weak offensive line and a rookie QB it's tough for any RB.

When I see Cannon with the ball in the open field/with space I see a player with plus speed and plus quickness.  I don't envision him as an every down RB, but he could be a Tarik Cohen type of RB who can make big plays in the right system. 

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21 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I'd love to hear Manish Mehta's "rationale" for keeping Mike Maccagnan until the end of the season. We don't need Mac to find practice squad scrubs for the remainder of the 2018 season. We certainly don't need his research for the 2019 Draft. 

We need nothing until we get a new coach. That process starts as soon as we replace the GM. If not we will either not get a new coach or we will get the last one standing when the music stops. 

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1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

We need nothing until we get a new coach. That process starts as soon as we replace the GM. If not we will either not get a new coach or we will get the last one standing when the music stops. 

 

Yup, and then the lights come on, and we are standing there looking at Jeff Fisher with his porn stache. 

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1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

We need nothing until we get a new coach. That process starts as soon as we replace the GM. If not we will either not get a new coach or we will get the last one standing when the music stops. 

Coaching is so critical. It impacts so much. We’ve witnessed one of the worst/most dysfunctional coaching staffs of the last 20 years right here with the Jets. The Bowles regime is a complete failure from a game planning,player development AND motivational standpoint. It’s almost as bad as Mac’s drafting.

Both have to go or we have to except that ownership truly doesn’t care, are making money anyways and that we shouldn’t get upset anymore. It will be proved as a hopeless situation for this franchise if they do not get rid of both and I personally will accept and except a Cleveland Browns type of environment for the foreseeable future. This is our only hope at actually fixing this mess and saving Sam.

So in other words, I have ZERO faith that the Jets will do the right thing and we should just prepare ourselves to really adjust expectations of this franchise going forward and not get worked up. 

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Taking QBs out of the equation, how many TDs have Mac selections scored. It must be quite high. After all, he's selected 4 WRs, 2 TEs and 2 RBs in the past 4 years. That is 8 skill players over 4 drafts. In the 3 and half seasons played since his first draft ( well over 50 games), skill position players drafted by Mac have scored a total of 7 TDs.  

In second and third round picks (Shuster and Conner) the Steelers have 20 TDs over the past one and half seasons.

While Mac doesn't need to equal the success of the steelers in selecting Shuster and Conner, it would be nice if he could at least do enough that the comparison is not laughable. So, in review, In a season and a half the steelers produce 20 TD from there 2d and 3d round picks. In 3 and half seasons the Jets produce 7 TDs from every single skill player Mac has drafted.

One might conclude that $hit like this is the reason the Steelers win and the Jets lose, and why there will not be a job waiting for Mac in the Steeler front office when the Johnsons pay enough attention to the situation to realize that Mac is not getting it done.

  

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3 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

What worries me is Chris will give him a pass for landing SD which like every other 1st round draft pick fell into his lap.

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Then this is Mac in 2019 free agency right before he bombs the draft. Then we'll go 8-8 and be stuck in purgatory for another 5 years.

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14 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

in 2016 ,Todd Gurley averaged 3.2ypc.

Last year Powell averaged 4.3ypc while Bell averaged 4ypc  There is more to a RB than YPC.  If you have a weak offensive line and a rookie QB it's tough for any RB.

When I see Cannon with the ball in the open field/with space I see a player with plus speed and plus quickness.  I don't envision him as an every down RB, but he could be a Tarik Cohen type of RB who can make big plays in the right system. 

Whose responsibility was it to provide the team with a non-weak O line, or as they say in the world of the real NFL teams, a strong O line?

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2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

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Then this is Mac in 2019 free agency right before he bombs the draft. Then we'll go 8-8 and be stuck in purgatory for another 5 years.

We wouldn’t hit 8-8. Free agency is complete trash this year. Even if he spends, it’s not going to move the needle much. 

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12 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Whose responsibility was it to provide the team with a non-weak O line, or as they say in the world of the real NFL teams, a strong O line?

Like I've said, I won't lose sleep if Macc gets fired. I don't think he has done enough but I also don't think he has been as bad as some have said. If Darnold is our  franchise QB for the next 15 years then macc will go down as one of the greatest Jets GMs of all time....which isn't exactly saying much. He didn't fall into Darnold, he traded to get into position to get Darnold. He overpaid early in the process to be in that position. He was mocked on this board by many for making that trade. Looking back I think we are all very happy he did it. 

Now he has to work on the Oline. find an edge rusher and maybe 1 dynamic piece on offense. Yeah yeah, he's had 4 years to do that. Again, I don't think he is a great GM. I have not seen enough Nick Chubb's, Kareem Hunts, Kerryon Johnsons, Kamaras etc... But he has cap space and I would let him pick his own Head Coach before I would bring in the next guy the entire board will hate after 2 years. 

 

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