FIRE MACCAGNAN!!!!!!!

[Sonny Werblin]

Looking for a CB? There is no place like the 6th round.

Mac has selected 3 CBs in the 6th round. Justin Burris was taken in the 4th round, but that's probably why we cut him loose. If you want to stick with the Jets as a CB, make sure they take you in the 6th round, or just become an UFA for another team and Mac will be sure to sign you for big bucks because he has no idea how to evaluate CBs in the draft.

 

[Ken Schroy]

All we need now is a Fire Bowles thread because ownership cares.

[TheGreenGhost]

4 years into a rebuild and we're still at square one in Year 1 of the rebuild.  How is this possible?

Something like 80% or more of Macs draft picks are no longer in the NFL.

The rest are decent to good at best starters (no pro bowlers, all JAGs). 

He's wasted a ton of money in FA and that has produced zero talent as well. 

The only reason we have $100M in cap space is because half the team needs to be filled next year.

How the organization says Mac's job is "safe" is mind boggling.

I will not watch anymore games this season.  I only watched the Buffalo game after the Miami debacle because I thought it was our best chance for a win.  We all see how that turned out. 

No more money/loyalty from me until both Mac and Bowles are gone and the Jets get a clue.

[JoJoTownsell1]

9 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Mac has had 4 years and his list of accomplishments to turn this into a successful franchise are what exactly? 

1) Didn't screw up first round selections (for teams that are not the Jets this is not an accomplishment)

2) gambled, and won, on trading to the #3 spot to draft a QB

3)

 

4- Traded Pryor for Demario Davis

5- Upgraded from Davis with Williamson

6- Signed Robby Anderson as a FA

7- Traded Sheldon for a 2nd and Kearse (who was good last year)

8- Drafted Herndon/Mcguire/Cannon who all have shown some flashes. 

I am not suggesting Mac should be up for GM of the year. He has failed too often in the mid-late rounds. But his trades have been good. He has built a young team and has a ton of cap space. 

This isn't like Idzik where there was no franchise QB in place and no good young players. We have Adams/Williams/Darnold and a few others to build around. 

If they fired Macc, I wouldn't lose any sleep, but I don't think that is this team's problem. I think we need an offensive minded, young coach to lead this team into the future...and not some re-tread old school, hard nosed coach that thinks running the ball and defense wins games. 

[Sonny Werblin]

And don't even get me started on the fact that Mac has taken a total of two O lineman over the past 4 years. TWO!!! Five out your 22 main starters are O lineman. That is 22.72% of the starting lineup, and this jabroni takes only 2 in 4 years, and he takes them both in the 5th freaking round!!!

Hey, I've seen Trumane Johnson's contract so I know that Mac is not good at math, but Mac has used 2 of his 28 picks on O lineman, that's 7.14%. How do you put anyone in control of building your franchise through the draft and judge him as anything but a complete and total boob when he uses less than 8% of his draft picks on a position that makes up more than 20% of the starting line-up.

C'mon man. A spider monkey throwing $hit at a draft board on the wall is Mac's equal.  

[#27TheDominator]

7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

8- Drafted Herndon/Mcguire/Cannon who all have shown some flashes. 

Forgetting the rest of this nonsense, Trenton Cannon has 166 yards from scrimmage.  He is averaging 3.3 ypc and under 6 ypg.  This is a positive in your eyes? 

[sec101row23]

2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Forgetting the rest of this nonsense, Trenton Cannon has 166 yards from scrimmage.  He is averaging 3.3 ypc and under 6 ypg.  This is a positive in your eyes? 

Plus, it looks like he has bad hands.  Not good for a 180 pound RB.  

[Sonny Werblin]

7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

4- Traded Pryor for Demario Davis And they let Davis walk 

5- Upgraded from Davis with Williamson  please, Williamson is OK. It's not like he landed an all pro. He filled a hole with an available UFA who's team, the Titans, didn't want

6- Signed Robby Anderson as a FA because he has wasted 2d, 3d, and 4th round picks on WR that didn't make the team. Why didn't he know that Anderson was worthy of at least a 7th round pick. Being lucky doesn't make you a good GM. 

7- Traded Sheldon for a 2nd and Kearse (who was good last year) I'll give you this. Highway robbery.

8- Drafted Herndon/Mcguire/Cannon who all have shown some flashes.  FLASHES!! Have we dropped the bar so low for evaluating Jet GM's that guys who flash count as a success?

I am not suggesting Mac should be up for GM of the year. He has failed too often in the mid-late rounds. But his trades have been good. He has built a young team and has a ton of cap space. 

This isn't like Idzik where there was no franchise QB in place and no good young players. We have Adams/Williams/Darnold and a few others to build around. 

If they fired Macc, I wouldn't lose any sleep, but I don't think that is this team's problem. I think we need an offensive minded, young coach to lead this team into the future...and not some re-tread old school, hard nosed coach that thinks running the ball and defense wins games. 

 

[playtowinthegame]

2 hours ago, The Crusher said:

1. Dump Macc today

2. Hire GM tomorrow

3. Let him replace Bowles with his guy end of season

4. profit

I'd love to hear Manish Mehta's "rationale" for keeping Mike Maccagnan until the end of the season. We don't need Mac to find practice squad scrubs for the remainder of the 2018 season. We certainly don't need his research for the 2019 Draft. 

[Sonny Werblin]

Mac has had 11 picks in rounds 2 through 4. How many are on the Jets? FOUR! 4 out of 11! let that sink in.

And two of those guys are from this years draft.

In Mac's first three drafts, he had 9 picks in rounds 2 through 4. And only 2 of those players are on the team. That is 22%. 

Mac must wake up in the morning and think, "Whose desk do I gotta $hit on to get fired around here?"

[Creepy Lurker]

7 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Mac has had 11 picks in rounds 2 through 4. How many are on the Jets? FOUR! 4 out of 11! let that sink in.

And two of those guys are from this years draft.

In Mac's first three drafts, he had 9 picks in rounds 2 through 4. And only 2 of those players are on the team. That is 22%. 

Mac must wake up in the morning and think, "Whose desk do I gotta $hit on to get fired around here?"

This is great haha. But terrible at the same time. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

18 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Forgetting the rest of this nonsense, Trenton Cannon has 166 yards from scrimmage.  He is averaging 3.3 ypc and under 6 ypg.  This is a positive in your eyes? 

in 2016 ,Todd Gurley averaged 3.2ypc.

Last year Powell averaged 4.3ypc while Bell averaged 4ypc  There is more to a RB than YPC.  If you have a weak offensive line and a rookie QB it's tough for any RB.

When I see Cannon with the ball in the open field/with space I see a player with plus speed and plus quickness.  I don't envision him as an every down RB, but he could be a Tarik Cohen type of RB who can make big plays in the right system. 

[The Crusher]

21 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I'd love to hear Manish Mehta's "rationale" for keeping Mike Maccagnan until the end of the season. We don't need Mac to find practice squad scrubs for the remainder of the 2018 season. We certainly don't need his research for the 2019 Draft. 

We need nothing until we get a new coach. That process starts as soon as we replace the GM. If not we will either not get a new coach or we will get the last one standing when the music stops. 

[FTL Jet Fan]

What worries me is Chris will give him a pass for landing SD which like every other 1st round draft pick fell into his lap.

[playtowinthegame]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

We need nothing until we get a new coach. That process starts as soon as we replace the GM. If not we will either not get a new coach or we will get the last one standing when the music stops. 

 

Yup, and then the lights come on, and we are standing there looking at Jeff Fisher with his porn stache. 

[Creepy Lurker]

1 minute ago, The Crusher said:

We need nothing until we get a new coach. That process starts as soon as we replace the GM. If not we will either not get a new coach or we will get the last one standing when the music stops. 

Coaching is so critical. It impacts so much. We’ve witnessed one of the worst/most dysfunctional coaching staffs of the last 20 years right here with the Jets. The Bowles regime is a complete failure from a game planning,player development AND motivational standpoint. It’s almost as bad as Mac’s drafting.

Both have to go or we have to except that ownership truly doesn’t care, are making money anyways and that we shouldn’t get upset anymore. It will be proved as a hopeless situation for this franchise if they do not get rid of both and I personally will accept and except a Cleveland Browns type of environment for the foreseeable future. This is our only hope at actually fixing this mess and saving Sam.

So in other words, I have ZERO faith that the Jets will do the right thing and we should just prepare ourselves to really adjust expectations of this franchise going forward and not get worked up. 

[LWC611]

I can get on this train!!!

[Sonny Werblin]

Taking QBs out of the equation, how many TDs have Mac selections scored. It must be quite high. After all, he's selected 4 WRs, 2 TEs and 2 RBs in the past 4 years. That is 8 skill players over 4 drafts. In the 3 and half seasons played since his first draft ( well over 50 games), skill position players drafted by Mac have scored a total of 7 TDs.  

In second and third round picks (Shuster and Conner) the Steelers have 20 TDs over the past one and half seasons.

While Mac doesn't need to equal the success of the steelers in selecting Shuster and Conner, it would be nice if he could at least do enough that the comparison is not laughable. So, in review, In a season and a half the steelers produce 20 TD from there 2d and 3d round picks. In 3 and half seasons the Jets produce 7 TDs from every single skill player Mac has drafted.

One might conclude that $hit like this is the reason the Steelers win and the Jets lose, and why there will not be a job waiting for Mac in the Steeler front office when the Johnsons pay enough attention to the situation to realize that Mac is not getting it done.

  

[playtowinthegame]

3 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said:

What worries me is Chris will give him a pass for landing SD which like every other 1st round draft pick fell into his lap.

Then this is Mac in 2019 free agency right before he bombs the draft. Then we'll go 8-8 and be stuck in purgatory for another 5 years.

[Sonny Werblin]

14 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

in 2016 ,Todd Gurley averaged 3.2ypc.

Last year Powell averaged 4.3ypc while Bell averaged 4ypc  There is more to a RB than YPC.  If you have a weak offensive line and a rookie QB it's tough for any RB.

When I see Cannon with the ball in the open field/with space I see a player with plus speed and plus quickness.  I don't envision him as an every down RB, but he could be a Tarik Cohen type of RB who can make big plays in the right system. 

Whose responsibility was it to provide the team with a non-weak O line, or as they say in the world of the real NFL teams, a strong O line?

[The Crusher]

5 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

 

Yup, and then the lights come on, and we are standing there looking at Jeff Fisher with his porn stache. 

Exactly and YIKES!!!

[Creepy Lurker]

2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Then this is Mac in 2019 free agency right before he bombs the draft. Then we'll go 8-8 and be stuck in purgatory for another 5 years.

We wouldn’t hit 8-8. Free agency is complete trash this year. Even if he spends, it’s not going to move the needle much. 

[playtowinthegame]

4 minutes ago, LWC611 said:

I can get on this train!!!

And this train ain't stopping till we're finished! It's the polite thing to do. 

[playtowinthegame]

1 hour ago, Pac said:

Plenty Macc supporters..  we are just not as loud as the haters.

Tell us how the Turkey is this Thanksgiving at the Maccagnan's House. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

12 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Whose responsibility was it to provide the team with a non-weak O line, or as they say in the world of the real NFL teams, a strong O line?

Like I've said, I won't lose sleep if Macc gets fired. I don't think he has done enough but I also don't think he has been as bad as some have said. If Darnold is our  franchise QB for the next 15 years then macc will go down as one of the greatest Jets GMs of all time....which isn't exactly saying much. He didn't fall into Darnold, he traded to get into position to get Darnold. He overpaid early in the process to be in that position. He was mocked on this board by many for making that trade. Looking back I think we are all very happy he did it. 

Now he has to work on the Oline. find an edge rusher and maybe 1 dynamic piece on offense. Yeah yeah, he's had 4 years to do that. Again, I don't think he is a great GM. I have not seen enough Nick Chubb's, Kareem Hunts, Kerryon Johnsons, Kamaras etc... But he has cap space and I would let him pick his own Head Coach before I would bring in the next guy the entire board will hate after 2 years. 

 

[TheGreenGhost]

9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

If Darnold is our  franchise QB for the next 15 years then macc will go down as one of the greatest Jets GMs of all time....which isn't exactly saying much. He didn't fall into Darnold, he traded to get into position to get Darnold.

You're kidding right?  He got into position to take Baker.  No one thought Darnold was getting past the Browns or the Giants, including Mac. 

If the Giants took Darnold at 2, we'd have Rosen or Allen right now.  Think about that.  

He completely lucked into Darnold.

[peekskill68]

30 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Taking QBs out of the equation, how many TDs have Mac selections scored. It must be quite high. After all, he's selected 4 WRs, 2 TEs and 2 RBs in the past 4 years. That is 8 skill players over 4 drafts. In the 3 and half seasons played since his first draft ( well over 50 games), skill position players drafted by Mac have scored a total of 7 TDs.  

In second and third round picks (Shuster and Conner) the Steelers have 20 TDs over the past one and half seasons.

While Mac doesn't need to equal the success of the steelers in selecting Shuster and Conner, it would be nice if he could at least do enough that the comparison is not laughable. So, in review, In a season and a half the steelers produce 20 TD from there 2d and 3d round picks. In 3 and half seasons the Jets produce 7 TDs from every single skill player Mac has drafted.

One might conclude that $hit like this is the reason the Steelers win and the Jets lose, and why there will not be a job waiting for Mac in the Steeler front office when the Johnsons pay enough attention to the situation to realize that Mac is not getting it done.

  

It's not just the Steelers.  Look at the talent pools that the Saints and Chiefs have developed from their middle rounds...

[JoJoTownsell1]

15 minutes ago, TheGreenGhost said:

You're kidding right?  He got into position to take Baker.  No one thought Darnold was getting past the Browns or the Giants, including Mac. 

If the Giants took Darnold at 2, we'd have Rosen or Allen right now.  Think about that.  

He completely lucked into Darnold.

Okiedokie....it was miracle from heaven that we managed to go from 6 to 3. Macc had nothing to do with it. Gotcha

[TheGreenGhost]

3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Okiedokie....it was miracle from heaven that we managed to go from 6 to 3. Macc had nothing to do with it. Gotcha

Mac gets credit for moving up to 3, but he went up to get Baker and could've ended up with Rosen or Allen.  So yes, it was a miracle he ended up with Darnold. 

And that move up cost 3 2nd round picks.  You don't think the Jets could use 3 2nd round talents on this team?

[Jetsfan80]

4 hours ago, bealeb319 said:

Very origional thread topic thanks for the great post and fresh insight.

Don't you dare talk to our Captain that way, bleeby blob. 

[JustInFudge]

4 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

Gotta keep this visible is all so any of the Jets/media lurkers see it. We need this front and center and we need this to pick up steam. The media is already starting to go after Mac(thank you Rex). Even though EVERY thread goes into detail why he should be fired, I wanted a thread title to keep bumping and stay visible.

Even if you are unsure about Mac(the 1%), keeping him hinders the head coach search and that reason ALONE is enough to move on from him.......that and all of the other things that he has done wrong. I don’t want a desperate/clueless GM spending on the wrong players in an effort to save himself either so.....yeah. Can’t draft, can’t scout, no backbone, no foresight, screws up all large free agent signings. 

Firing Mac should be the focus of the fans at this point so we can push this over the top (and him off a cliff). The future may be bright but ONLY if we get past this next obstacle. 

O Captain, My Captain

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Pac said:

Plenty Macc supporters..  we are just not as loud as the haters.

Per the poll posted, 74 % want him fired at the end of the season. 

"Plenty".  Riiiight. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

in 2016 ,Todd Gurley averaged 3.2ypc.

Last year Powell averaged 4.3ypc while Bell averaged 4ypc  There is more to a RB than YPC.  If you have a weak offensive line and a rookie QB it's tough for any RB. 

When I see Cannon with the ball in the open field/with space I see a player with plus speed and plus quickness.  I don't envision him as an every down RB, but he could be a Tarik Cohen type of RB who can make big plays in the right system.  

Oh well in that case, I'll just sit here patiently and wait for the Gurley-esque breakout with a side of Tarik Cohen. 

[Jetsfan80]

42 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Now he has to work on the Oline. find an edge rusher and maybe 1 dynamic piece on offense.

That's it?  Phew, easy peasy for the best talent evaluator in the NFL.

[jack48]

4 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

After week 17 we better be looking for a new HC and GM....if not ill just continue to watch other teams play football when the Jets are playing. 

No one should be retained. Clean house. 

 

it basically shows how lost the owners are if they think Macc's performance warrants keeping him.  it makes you wonder who they would think would be a good replacement