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9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

If Darnold is our  franchise QB for the next 15 years then macc will go down as one of the greatest Jets GMs of all time....which isn't exactly saying much. He didn't fall into Darnold, he traded to get into position to get Darnold.

You're kidding right?  He got into position to take Baker.  No one thought Darnold was getting past the Browns or the Giants, including Mac. 

If the Giants took Darnold at 2, we'd have Rosen or Allen right now.  Think about that.  

He completely lucked into Darnold.

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30 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Taking QBs out of the equation, how many TDs have Mac selections scored. It must be quite high. After all, he's selected 4 WRs, 2 TEs and 2 RBs in the past 4 years. That is 8 skill players over 4 drafts. In the 3 and half seasons played since his first draft ( well over 50 games), skill position players drafted by Mac have scored a total of 7 TDs.  

In second and third round picks (Shuster and Conner) the Steelers have 20 TDs over the past one and half seasons.

While Mac doesn't need to equal the success of the steelers in selecting Shuster and Conner, it would be nice if he could at least do enough that the comparison is not laughable. So, in review, In a season and a half the steelers produce 20 TD from there 2d and 3d round picks. In 3 and half seasons the Jets produce 7 TDs from every single skill player Mac has drafted.

One might conclude that $hit like this is the reason the Steelers win and the Jets lose, and why there will not be a job waiting for Mac in the Steeler front office when the Johnsons pay enough attention to the situation to realize that Mac is not getting it done.

  

It's not just the Steelers.  Look at the talent pools that the Saints and Chiefs have developed from their middle rounds...

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15 minutes ago, TheGreenGhost said:

You're kidding right?  He got into position to take Baker.  No one thought Darnold was getting past the Browns or the Giants, including Mac. 

If the Giants took Darnold at 2, we'd have Rosen or Allen right now.  Think about that.  

He completely lucked into Darnold.

Okiedokie....it was miracle from heaven that we managed to go from 6 to 3. Macc had nothing to do with it. Gotcha

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3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Okiedokie....it was miracle from heaven that we managed to go from 6 to 3. Macc had nothing to do with it. Gotcha

Mac gets credit for moving up to 3, but he went up to get Baker and could've ended up with Rosen or Allen.  So yes, it was a miracle he ended up with Darnold. 

And that move up cost 3 2nd round picks.  You don't think the Jets could use 3 2nd round talents on this team?

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4 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

Gotta keep this visible is all so any of the Jets/media lurkers see it. We need this front and center and we need this to pick up steam. The media is already starting to go after Mac(thank you Rex). Even though EVERY thread goes into detail why he should be fired, I wanted a thread title to keep bumping and stay visible.

Even if you are unsure about Mac(the 1%), keeping him hinders the head coach search and that reason ALONE is enough to move on from him.......that and all of the other things that he has done wrong. I don’t want a desperate/clueless GM spending on the wrong players in an effort to save himself either so.....yeah. Can’t draft, can’t scout, no backbone, no foresight, screws up all large free agent signings. 

Firing Mac should be the focus of the fans at this point so we can push this over the top (and him off a cliff). The future may be bright but ONLY if we get past this next obstacle. 

O Captain, My Captain

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1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

in 2016 ,Todd Gurley averaged 3.2ypc.

Last year Powell averaged 4.3ypc while Bell averaged 4ypc  There is more to a RB than YPC.  If you have a weak offensive line and a rookie QB it's tough for any RB. 

When I see Cannon with the ball in the open field/with space I see a player with plus speed and plus quickness.  I don't envision him as an every down RB, but he could be a Tarik Cohen type of RB who can make big plays in the right system.  

Oh well in that case, I'll just sit here patiently and wait for the Gurley-esque breakout with a side of Tarik Cohen. 

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4 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

After week 17 we better be looking for a new HC and GM....if not ill just continue to watch other teams play football when the Jets are playing. 

No one should be retained. Clean house. 

 

it basically shows how lost the owners are if they think Macc's performance warrants keeping him.  it makes you wonder who they would think would be a good replacement

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21 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Okiedokie....it was miracle from heaven that we managed to go from 6 to 3. Macc had nothing to do with it. Gotcha 

The trade up was smart.  Crediting Macc for trading up FOR Darnold is dumb.  He didn't trade up for a specific player.  He traded up to a spot, and hoped it worked out.  We could easily be sitting here with Josh Allen if the Giants hadn't bailed us out. 

Sure, maybe you can say we shouldn't complain about something that worked out.  If Macc had made lots of great moves in his tenure, I'd certainly be happy to back off on this point.  But he does NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt.  So even the best moment of the Macc tenure was one that required a great deal of luck. 

And depending on luck for yet another offseason, where we will again have an important draft and free agency period coming up, is not a good strategy for success.  Not to mention looking for a new Head Coach!  Let Macc be in charge and he WILL screw it up, because that's what he does. 

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19 minutes ago, TheGreenGhost said:

Mac gets credit for moving up to 3, but he went up to get Baker and could've ended up with Rosen or Allen.  So yes, it was a miracle he ended up with Darnold. 

And that move up cost 3 2nd round picks.  You don't think the Jets could use 3 2nd round talents on this team? 

For any GM but Maccagnan, yes, those 2nd rounders would be very important. 

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47 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Like I've said, I won't lose sleep if Macc gets fired. I don't think he has done enough but I also don't think he has been as bad as some have said. If Darnold is our  franchise QB for the next 15 years then macc will go down as one of the greatest Jets GMs of all time....which isn't exactly saying much. He didn't fall into Darnold, he traded to get into position to get Darnold. He overpaid early in the process to be in that position. He was mocked on this board by many for making that trade. Looking back I think we are all very happy he did it. 

Now he has to work on the Oline. find an edge rusher and maybe 1 dynamic piece on offense. Yeah yeah, he's had 4 years to do that. Again, I don't think he is a great GM. I have not seen enough Nick Chubb's, Kareem Hunts, Kerryon Johnsons, Kamaras etc... But he has cap space and I would let him pick his own Head Coach before I would bring in the next guy the entire board will hate after 2 years. 

 

So, in 4 drafts his only significant accomplishment is landing the franchise QB and just how many drafts will you give him to fix the O line, get an Edge Rusher, and find a dynamic player for the O?.....  At Mac's hit rate, by the time he accomplishes those goals, Sam Darnold will be collecting pension checks.

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2 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

The only reason to keep Mac is a new GM might not be as loyal to Sam since he or she did not draft him

drafting hack in the second round is good enough reason for getting fired - terrible 

If that's the concern, then make sure to fill the GM hiring pool with candidates who scouted and liked Darnold.  I don't think a GM would want to come here if he didn't believe in Sam.  That would make no sense.  We're tied to Darnold whether the GM likes it or not, so that would have to be an arranged marriage.

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2 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

Mac was hired specifically because he was championed as a talent evaluator.  He has failed at that.  'nuff said...

well, he is clearly not a college football talent evaluator.  What about the pros?  That Trumaine Johnson was sure a real catch!  Terrell Pryor was just cut by the Bills.  Beachum is a stiff.  Tomlinson is a stiff.  And I am starting to wonder about Toilet Paper Man.  So yes, by all means, one more year.

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6 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

The only reason to keep Mac is a new GM might not be as loyal to Sam since he or she did not draft him

drafting hack in the second round is enough reason for getting fired - terrible

Well any GM with half a brain would keep Sam and BUILD A FREAKING OFFENSEAROUND HIM so the GM knows if Sam is “the guy” and if not, draft a replacement that will come into a situation where the offense isn’t complete trash and going to ruin him. The new GM has the built in excuse that Sam wasn’t his pick which gives him a longer leash. 

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1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

Plus, it looks like he has bad hands.  Not good for a 180 pound RB.  

When I was looking him up after we drafted him I was shocked to read

Neg:  Not a natural pass catcher. Often clutches receptions against his frame and does too much body catching.

FWIW, I think that is Tony Pauline's site.

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6 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

Well any GM with half a brain would keep Sam and BUILD A FREAKING OFFENSEAROUND HIM so the GM knows if Sam is “the guy” and if not, draft a replacement that will come into a situation where the offense isn’t complete trash and going to ruin him. The new GM has the built in excuse that Sam wasn’t his pick which gives him a longer leash. 

I said it was the only reason - may or may not be a good reason :)  solid replies

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13 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

So, in 4 drafts his only significant accomplishment is landing the franchise QB and just how many drafts will you give him to fix the O line, get an Edge Rusher, and find a dynamic player for the O?.....  At Mac's hit rate, by the time he accomplishes those goals, Sam Darnold will be collecting pension checks.

I get it .We just had an awful game. Everyone on the team sucks. Cut Adams/Williams/Lee/Williamson/Maye/Anderson/Enunwa/Darnold/Mcguire/Cannon/Herndon etc...

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19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

The trade up was smart.  Crediting Macc for trading up FOR Darnold is dumb.  He didn't trade up for a specific player.  He traded up to a spot, and hoped it worked out.  We could easily be sitting here with Josh Allen if the Giants hadn't bailed us out. 

Sure, maybe you can say we shouldn't complain about something that worked out.  If Macc had made lots of great moves in his tenure, I'd certainly be happy to back off on this point.  But he does NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt.  So even the best moment of the Macc tenure was one that required a great deal of luck. 

And depending on luck for yet another offseason, where we will again have an important draft and free agency period coming up, is not a good strategy for success.  Not to mention looking for a new Head Coach!  Let Macc be in charge and he WILL screw it up, because that's what he does. 

You guys are funny. If he doesn't trade up, he doesn't get Darnold. Did he need the Browns to take Baker and the Giants to take Barkley? Sure. But there was plenty of speculation that the Giants wanted Barkley from day 1. So that wasn't shocking to anyone following the pre-draft process. 

As for Mayfield, what makes you think he won't be great? 

Maybe Macc loved Baker and Darnold and knew Barkley would go 2 so was positioning himself to get 1 of them....oh wait, we just lost 41-10 to the Bills so it's time to cry about every Jets coach/Gm/player.... proceed with the madness...

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4 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

You guys are funny. If he doesn't trade up, he doesn't get Darnold. Did he need the Browns to take Baker and the Giants to take Barkley? Sure. But there was plenty of speculation that the Giants wanted Barkley from day 1. So that wasn't shocking to anyone following the pre-draft process. 

As for Mayfield, what makes you think he won't be great? 

Maybe Macc loved Baker and Darnold and knew Barkley would go 2 so was positioning himself to get 1 of them....oh wait, we just lost 41-10 to the Bills so it's time to cry about every Jets coach/Gm/player.... proceed with the madness... 

 

I gave him credit for the trade up.  Best move he's ever made.  But yes, its very possible it could have been Baker followed by Darnold 1-2, leaving Macc with his d*ck in his hand. 

If losing to a practice squad-caliber Bills team 41-10 doesn't rile you up, I don't know what else will.  This was an unacceptable loss following a similarly awful loss to the Dolphins the week before.  Our roster sucks and we're losing divisional games to Brock Osweiler and street free agent Matt Barkley.  After 4 years of this regime we should be expecting way better, unless you're cool with rooting for failure.  It is more than reasonable and rational to demand firings at the top. 

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This organization owes Macc nothing!

Ive has to stomach rebuild after rebuild over the last 35 years. This is different. We actually have a foundation in place (Darnold, cap space, the doofus owner over in England) that would make this one of the more attractive GM positions in football. Can we do this right for once? Hire a new GM, let him pick an offensive minded coach and away we go. 

We’re gonna instead give Macc “one more year”. It’s so ludicrous. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I get it .We just had an awful game. Everyone on the team sucks. Cut Adams/Williams/Lee/Williamson/Maye/Anderson/Enunwa/Darnold/Mcguire/Cannon/Herndon etc...

Awful game? Two 5-11 seasons soon to be followed by a 3 win season. I'm just thinking that you've lowered your standards to Jet-level expectations. It's sad. We ALL should expect, actually demand, more from the team's GM. 

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5 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

After week 17 we better be looking for a new HC and GM....if not ill just continue to watch other teams play football when the Jets are playing. 

No one should be retained. Clean house. 

 

Maybe a Head of Football Operations to be in charge of hiring a GM & then both of them deciding on a HC.

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7 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Awful game? Two 5-11 seasons soon to be followed by a 3 win season. I'm just thinking that you've lowered your standards to Jet-level expectations. It's sad. We ALL should expect, actually demand, more from the team's GM. 

Macc could have overpaid for Solder, traded away 2 1st round picks for Mack and signed a couple of other overpriced Free agents and been much better this year. Likely not a playoff team with a rookie QB, but better enough to make the season ticket holders happier. Instead, he made the right choices for our long term viability by saving the cap space and the draft picks (which now looks like a top 5 pick) and positioned us to be a good,  young cheap team for a couple of more years. 

I get the frustration. I wanted Bowles fired Sunday evening. I just don't see Macc as the main reason this team is playing below expectations, I blame Bowles. I think this team has more than enough talent on defense to shut down Matt Barkley. Bowles failed in that regard, not Macc. 

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2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Macc could have overpaid for Solder, traded away 2 1st round picks for Mack and signed a couple of other overpriced Free agents and been much better this year. Likely not a playoff team with a rookie QB, but better enough to make the season ticket holders happier. Instead, he made the right choices for our long term viability by saving the cap space and the draft picks (which now looks like a top 5 pick) and positioned us to be a good,  young cheap team for a couple of more years. 

I get the frustration. I wanted Bowles fired Sunday evening. I just don't see Macc as the main reason this team is playing below expectations, I blame Bowles. I think this team has more than enough talent on defense to shut down Matt Barkley. Bowles failed in that regard, not Macc. 

Saving cap space for what exactly? So, its smart to put a rookie QB behind a crap O line because why? Who exactly is he going to find to man the O line next year. News Flash, it is rare for good O lineman to leave their team in free agency. And you expect what? That Mac is going to sign 2 or more UFA O lineman who are good players? OR that he is going to -- for the first time -- draft an O lineman before the 5th round?

Look on the field next week when the Jets play the Pats and remember, Mac built that and it took him 4 years to do it.

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1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Okiedokie....it was miracle from heaven that we managed to go from 6 to 3. Macc had nothing to do with it. Gotcha

geez... he traded up so that he was assured of getting one of Mayfield, Rosen or Darnold (or even Allen).  At #6 there was a chance of all 4 being gone.  So the trade up was to have at least 2 of them remaining so that at least the jets had a choice.  He had no clue that both the Browns and the Giants would pass on Darnold.  That Darnold fell to #3 was indeed luck.  It surely wasn't based on anything Mac did.  Getting Darnold was made possible, but not definite by the trade up.  Actually getting him at #3 was luck soley based on the actions of other teams.   Mac rolled the dice and actually didn't crap out for once.  But it was, to a large degree, luck based and you know it.

Mac sucks.  He needs to go away.  The Jets rosters have been atrocious under his reign.  Among the worst in the NFL.  After 4 years, that's enough.  Time to change.

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