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2 minutes ago, TNJet said:

Macc's most glaring issue is now gone. His name was Todd Bowles. Give the dude a break.

And technically, that wasn't his issue.  Macc didn't hire Bowles.  In fact, Bowles was hired the day before Macc.

And as we all know, with the structure of the FO, Macc had no authority to fire Bowles.

Don't get me wrong.....there's lots and lots to blame Macc for....but Bowles isn't one of them.

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On 2/12/2019 at 4:26 PM, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Not being dramatic. The people who take issue with what I said are bringing the drama. From what I have seen people post about Macc, I can't help but think that people want him to fail. People like this exist. I have seen this type of behavior before with opponents of the last two presidents. 

 

 

@jgb You thought that you "got me" but all you did was fail miserably. I never CLAIMED anything.  Nice try though. Sorry that something I said triggered you. Not really sorry, but you know what I mean. 

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14 hours ago, IndianaJet said:

And technically, that wasn't his issue.  Macc didn't hire Bowles.  In fact, Bowles was hired the day before Macc.

And as we all know, with the structure of the FO, Macc had no authority to fire Bowles.

Don't get me wrong.....there's lots and lots to blame Macc for....but Bowles isn't one of them.

lol so it’s not his fault? He knew the situation when he signed up for the job.

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On 2/14/2019 at 2:24 PM, LIJetsFan said:

This is not necessarily true.  Belechek brings in jags, gets them to perform, releases them and they return to being jags.  Coaching mean more than most Jets fans credit.  

There's one of him at HC. There are about 30 HCs in the league at any given time where @NYJ1 is dead-on in this area. 

In 2015 Bowles went 10-6 with Fitzpatrick, while Payton went 7-9 with Brees. Is there anybody alive who thinks Bowles is the superior HC? Based on HC and QB alone - commonly believed to be the 2 most important ingredients to a team - how is it possible Payton ever had a season with fewer than 3 wins more than Bowles, let alone 3 wins fewer outright? Reid was 11-5 that year also with a better QB and played in an easier division (the 2 divisional losers were 4 of those 11 wins), so this minor win disparity would suggest one coached about as well as the other that year. 

Belichick smelichick. The rare exception doesn't disprove the rule in general. 

If you think Gase is on par with Belichick as a HC, and Darnold at least as good a QB as a veteran Tom Brady, then much of the rest of the roster is far less important. Since neither of those statements is true (or likely to ever be true), the rest of the roster is all-important. 

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15 hours ago, TNJet said:

Macc's most glaring issue is now gone. His name was Todd Bowles. Give the dude a break.

He’s entering his 5th year. He’s out of breaks. For as bad as Bowles was, Macc is just as bad. It’s a dead and buried horse. He’s going to have to hit straight As this offseason to even remotely think about keeping his job. He’s on the hot seat and deservedly so. 

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2 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

@jgb You thought that you "got me" but all you did was fail miserably. I never CLAIMED anything.  Nice try though. Sorry that something I said triggered you. Not really sorry, but you know what I mean. 

I googled “triggered” (new term for me), but I am having trouble applying the concept. Could you put it into context for me? 

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9 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

There's one of him at HC. There are about 30 HCs in the league at any given time where @NYJ1 is dead-on in this area. 

In 2015 Bowles went 10-6 with Fitzpatrick, while Payton went 7-9 with Brees. Is there anybody alive who thinks Bowles is the superior HC? Based on HC and QB alone - commonly believed to be the 2 most important ingredients to a team - how is it possible Payton ever had a season with fewer than 3 wins more than Bowles, let alone 3 wins fewer outright? Reid was 11-5 that year also with a better QB and played in an easier division (the 2 divisional losers were 4 of those 11 wins), so this minor win disparity would suggest one coached about as well as the other that year. 

Belichick smelichick. The rare exception doesn't disprove the rule in general. 

If you think Gase is on par with Belichick as a HC, and Darnold at least as good a QB as a veteran Tom Brady, then much of the rest of the roster is far less important. Since neither of those statements is true (or likely to ever be true), the rest of the roster is all-important. 

Sorry sperm but you've seem to have missed my point.  All I was trying to say is that some coaches get more out of players than other coaches.  

btw re 2015, the Jets had the easiest schedule in history.  Also Bowles "had" the team his first year just like Rex "had" the team this first 2 years.  Having the team buying in counts for one hell of a lot as well.  Once a team stops buying in the head coach might just as well go home.   

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20 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

He’s entering his 5th year. He’s out of breaks. For as bad as Bowles was, Macc is just as bad. It’s a dead and buried horse. He’s going to have to hit straight As this offseason to even remotely think about keeping his job. He’s on the hot seat and deservedly so. 

I don't disagree he's on the hot seat, yet theres some good things Macc has done for this franchise, Bowles on the other hand I'm still searching for that one good thing he ever did for us....was it keep Skrine in the slot with his Div 2 ability? Hmmm...

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1 hour ago, TNJet said:

I don't disagree he's on the hot seat, yet theres some good things Macc has done for this franchise, Bowles on the other hand I'm still searching for that one good thing he ever did for us....was it keep Skrine in the slot with his Div 2 ability? Hmmm...

Bowles was bad. But he didn’t give Skrine 8 million a year to suck and therefore must continue to be played. 

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7 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Bowles was bad. But he didn’t give Skrine 8 million a year to suck and therefore must continue to be played

The salary of a player should Not dictate the amount of playing time he gets... if there is another player considerably better & he is Not played because of this then whoever is responsible for that Should Fired Immediately... be it the Coach or the GM or Both.

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12 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

Sorry sperm but you've seem to have missed my point.  All I was trying to say is that some coaches get more out of players than other coaches.  

btw re 2015, the Jets had the easiest schedule in history.  Also Bowles "had" the team his first year just like Rex "had" the team this first 2 years.  Having the team buying in counts for one hell of a lot as well.  Once a team stops buying in the head coach might just as well go home.   

I don't disagree, and of course coaching matters. But using Belichick isn't the way tomorrow it; there's one of him. Among the rest, it's mostly the roster. Oh a new hire or very emotional coach can fire up a team to get everyone to play at their theoretically peak, but it doesn't last. In the short term lots of bad coaches can have some success, but long term 98% of coaches just need the horses (and more horses than just a QB). Jmo.

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1 hour ago, jetsons said:

The salary of a player should Not dictate the amount of playing time he gets... if there is another player considerably better & he is Not played because of this then whoever is responsible for that Should Fired Immediately... be it the Coach or the GM or Both.

That’s the problem. That’s not really how NFL rosters are constructed. Skrine was not only overpaid but there was also very little behind him because Macc is also bad at drafting. 

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1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

That’s the problem. That’s not really how NFL rosters are constructed. Skrine was not only overpaid but there was also very little behind him because Macc is also bad at drafting. 

I can agree with that... & That's why macc Should Have been Fired along w/Bowles.

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