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Report: Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan have been at odds for years

Posted by Darin Gantt on December 6, 2018, 4:10 PM EST
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As it turns out, the Jets aren’t just losing football games, they’re coming apart at the seams.

According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the team’s 3-9 record is matched only by the organizational rift between General Manager Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles.

The report suggests that Bowles is almost certainly gone after this season, and that Maccagnan may get a chance to hire a coach more in line with his philosophy. They were hired at the same time to replace Rex Ryan and John Idzik, and while it might seem that they’d be singing off the same sheet of music, they’re painted as being mismatched from the start.

The Jets set up a system in which both reported directly to ownership. That led to some natural turf wars, as they often disagreed.

Mehta outlines a numbers of points where the teams two top decision-makers diverged on personnel choices. The coaches apparently wanted Maccagnan to trade up to take running back Alvin Kamara in the 2017 draft, but Maccagnan thought it was too high a price to pay to move up (the Saints gave their 2018 second-rounder in the trade). He did give them the wide receiver they were clamoring for (ArDarius Stewart) 12 picks later, but Stewart is already gone.

Maccagnan is given credit(?) for the decision to burn a 2016 second-rounder on quarterback Christian Hackenberg, who never played a snap for the Jets, and that might have been because he was no good and it might have been part of a petty point-proving by the coaches who didn’t want him.

Regardless the personnel particulars — and it’s important to remember that sources will eagerly promote their own agendas at the expense of the other — having the two at odds serves no one’s best interest.

Whether they start with another clean slate or hire a coach Maccagnan trusts, the important part is having a clear organizational philosophy, and building a structure in which they work toward common goals.

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Reading that I get the impression the Jets are letting go of the less dysfunctional employee. 

Sit with that for a moment. Mac is worse at his job than Bowles is at his..

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uh okay.  getting ardarius instead of kamara really put them in a hole.  the thing about these types of articles is that they're going to be one sided so they bait the other said into saying something equally stupid.  this is maneesh's way to start a cat fight.  this is not to say mac has made all good moves.  he has made some real head scratchers but it also overstates how good bowles and his coaches were at picking players.  bowles apparently got players at the exact positions he wanted to beef up.

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That article makes it all sound pretty bad across the board.  The Mehta article it cites makes it sounds even worse, even despite Mehta's attempt to make excuses for Maccagnan, which is clearly the company line he's been told to sell.  I also couldn't help but laugh when I saw that everyone's new favorite hero-after-fired, Morton, was the one campaigning for Stewart.  This entire team is a disaster from top to bottom... they all need to go.

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Great, dysfunctional Franchise and two key positions at loggerheads.

So Jetsy, and we wonder why the teams in the state it is.

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Report: Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan have been at odds for years

Posted by Darin Gantt on December 6, 2018, 4:10 PM EST
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As it turns out, the Jets aren’t just losing football games, they’re coming apart at the seams.

According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the team’s 3-9 record is matched only by the organizational rift between General Manager Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles.

The report suggests that Bowles is almost certainly gone after this season, and that Maccagnan may get a chance to hire a coach more in line with his philosophy. They were hired at the same time to replace Rex Ryan and John Idzik, and while it might seem that they’d be singing off the same sheet of music, they’re painted as being mismatched from the start.

The Jets set up a system in which both reported directly to ownership. That led to some natural turf wars, as they often disagreed.

Mehta outlines a numbers of points where the teams two top decision-makers diverged on personnel choices. The coaches apparently wanted Maccagnan to trade up to take running back Alvin Kamara in the 2017 draft, but Maccagnan thought it was too high a price to pay to move up (the Saints gave their 2018 second-rounder in the trade). He did give them the wide receiver they were clamoring for (ArDarius Stewart) 12 picks later, but Stewart is already gone.

Maccagnan is given credit(?) for the decision to burn a 2016 second-rounder on quarterback Christian Hackenberg, who never played a snap for the Jets, and that might have been because he was no good and it might have been part of a petty point-proving by the coaches who didn’t want him.

Regardless the personnel particulars — and it’s important to remember that sources will eagerly promote their own agendas at the expense of the other — having the two at odds serves no one’s best interest.

Whether they start with another clean slate or hire a coach Maccagnan trusts, the important part is having a clear organizational philosophy, and building a structure in which they work toward common goals.

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11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Reading that I get the impression the Jets are letting go of the less dysfunctional employee. 

Sit with that for a moment. Mac is worse at his job than Bowles is at his..

Both equally suck. 

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7 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

"for years?"  They've only been here 4 seasons.  Exactly when did they turn on each other???

Also, Woody Johnson is a root cause of this problem by messing up the accountability structure.  The GM needs to hire the head coach, not the owner.

Apparently from the beginning. Woody is so stupid for insisting on this structure. Then he leaves the country HAHAHAHA!!!!!

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19 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

"for years?"  They've only been here 4 seasons.  Exactly when did they turn on each other???

Also, Woody Johnson is a root cause of this problem by messing up the accountability structure.  The GM needs to hire the head coach, not the owner.

On the plane after the Buffalo loss  season 1.

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30 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is how the CYA train starts rolling. Good for Todd. Bury these fools

You have more confidence  in Maccagnan learning on the job or the Johnsons hiring someone competent?

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2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

You have more confidence  in Maccagnan learning on the job or the Johnsons hiring someone competent?

The Johnson brothers are dumb owners they have zero football knowledge. 

They need to hire someone with football knowledge to run this organization. 

Mike Maccagnan's roster is weaker in year 4 than it was in year 1, possibly worst roster in the NFL. 

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4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

You have more confidence  in Maccagnan learning on the job or the Johnsons hiring someone competent?

As they say, it's better to be lucky than good... which is all we can hope for with any of these idiots.

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7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

You have more confidence  in Maccagnan learning on the job or the Johnsons hiring someone competent?

Better chance of someone taking a boatload of money in salary for the chance at taking a loser franchise job with low expectations, on a team with nearly $100m in cap room, and a young FQB signed for cheap for the next 3 seasons (assuming all candidates believe Darnold is the goods). 

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9 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I think this issue is the volume of folks around here who are incapable of comprehending the idea that more than one employee of the NY Jets can suck at their job at the same time.  There is literally no evidence whatsoever to suggest either one of them is anything but amongst the very worst at their respective jobs in the entire league.  Neither one deserves to keep their job in the slightest.  Bowles is already clearly on his way out, that much is obvious.  It's just become baffling that it seems very likely we'll be locked more into years more of incompetence from Maccagnan, who has done absolutely nothing to deserve the right to have a hand in a few more years of his mess, to go along with a new coach that he'd be of absolutely no help to.

Agreed. They have given Mac 3 years of staffing the Jets with tons of money. I don’t believe for a NY minute that the team roster is playoff worthy. So he gets a couple more years with a new coach and then they still suck and we’re in the market for another GM. Wash, rinse, repeat! Dump him and start with a clean slate. 

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Maccagnan may get a chance to hire a coach more in line with his philosophy.

Which begs the question ... just what IS Macc's philosophy? :confused:

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Todd Bowles coached this team like a clueless moron.

He made many bonehead decisions that cost this  team quite a few games. 

This past Sunday while the team was failing miserably he stood on the sidelines and laughed. 

How can our owners see him acting in this manner and still employ his services. 

How can our owners allow failure that lasted for 4 years.

Todd Bowles has the personality of a rock when coaching this team little or no emotion good or bad. 

Todd Bowles will never ever be a HC In the NFL again. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Better chance of someone taking a boatload of money in salary for the chance at taking a loser franchise job with low expectations, on a team with nearly $100m in cap room, and a young FQB signed for cheap for the next 3 seasons (assuming all candidates believe Darnold is the goods). 

The low exceptions and standards by the owner and now fanbase from being beaten down, is why I have some hope that we won’t be considered a complete black hole to coaching candidates. 

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