Patriot Killa Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, CotcheryifyouCan said: yea, but from all reports heimendinger is well respected and one of the reasons we got sam. as for mckenzie, why no? im not campaigning for him, but curious why you are quick to dismiss? he has a pretty valid track record The fact people are trying to seem like it’s hard to upgrade from Mike Maccagnan lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Reggie McKenzie must be great. He was the 2016 NFL Executive of the Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Reggie McKenzie must be great. He was the 2016 NFL Executive of the Year! If only we already had one of those.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Reggie McKenzie must be great. He was the 2016 NFL Executive of the Year! Who won it again the year PRIOR in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, CotcheryifyouCan said: yea, but from all reports heimendinger is well respected and one of the reasons we got sam. as for mckenzie, why no? im not campaigning for him, but curious why you are quick to dismiss? he has a pretty valid track record just a natural aversion to Oakland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: He’s definitely retiring. money speaks, give him enough money and he'll come work for us. If he doesn't want to be a GM, give him a Tom Coughlin type roll and let him pick the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, southparkcpa said: Highlights from WIKI. McKenzie was valedictorian of his 1981 graduating class McKenzie was employed by the Green Bay Packers from 1994 to 2012. He began as a scout, and gradually rose through the ranks to become the Packers' director of player personnel and eventually the team's director of football operations, while reporting to general managers Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson.[8] McKenzie promptly fired head coach Hue Jackson That Alone would make him someone to Seriously consider... I for one would Hire him in a Heartbeat... Fire mccags or make him Answerable to McKenzie who would have final say on All Personnel decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuffhand Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 If you think Mac can't draft check this guy's record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southparkcpa Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, jetsons said: That Alone would make him someone to Seriously consider... I for one would Hire him in a Heartbeat... Fire mccags or make him Answerable to McKenzie who would have final say on All Personnel decisions. 18 minutes ago, tuffhand said: If you think Mac can't draft check this guy's record. Tuffhand has a good point... check the WIKI page yourself BUT McKenzie missed on quite a bit BUT what I do like about him is he appears decisive and not afraid to cut loose veterans not performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelScott Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Unfortunately I dont see Mac going anywhere but imo it is pretty chest that Reggie has done a significantly better job in Oak than Mac has with the Jets. That team was 12-4 a couple years ago and could have made a push in the playoffs if Carr hadn't gotten hurt... Before they resurrected Gruden to rip the team apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I want Mac gone and for us to interview McKenzie. Hire him and let him get us an offensive minded HC. Our system of HC and GM being equal DOES NOT WORK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I would consider Mackenzie for GM and if he doesn’t get a new GM gig maybe he can join our FO in some capacity. He just got the short end of the stick with Mark Davis fellating Gruden to lead them to Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 hours ago, drsamuel84 said: I'd rather throw a blank check at Ozzie Newsome. I don't believe he's retiring I think the Ravens are forcing him out b/c they know they can't hold on to DeCosta much longer. McKenzie wouldn't be a bad second choice though. Bring in an experienced GM and HC duo, no more time to learn on the job. I agree and someone like Ozzie with his experience you could make the Football Czar we’ve all dreamed of and have him hire a GM to run the day to day operations and take over as VP of Football Ops once Ozzie decides to retire for good With Mackenzie’s experience you could also hire him as the football czar and promote Heimerdinger or get another GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Reggie McKenzie’s drafting history is a little muddier than expected. He hits on a lot of 1-2nd’s and 6th/7th but not much in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Reggie McKenzie’s drafting history is a little muddier than expected. He hits on a lot of 1-2nd’s and 6th/7th but not much in between. I’m not advocating for him and him alone. I want ANYONE over Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I didn’t think they’d do it. Now i would definitely clean house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, carlito1171 said: I agree and someone like Ozzie with his experience you could make the Football Czar we’ve all dreamed of and have him hire a GM to run the day to day operations and take over as VP of Football Ops once Ozzie decides to retire for good With Mackenzie’s experience you could also hire him as the football czar and promote Heimerdinger or get another GM Too good to be true but man.. exactly what we need and wouldn’t that be a promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 For $100 million Gruden gets to fire everyone, shop for groceries, buy groceries and cook the food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: For $100 million Gruden gets to fire everyone, shop for groceries, buy groceries and cook the food He also apparently gets to take a sh*t on the food and serve it up to those starving fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 41 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: He also apparently gets to take a sh*t on the food and serve it up to those starving fans. LOL - true but they will have new fans soon - Las Vegas Raiders guess they have topless shows in Las Vegas so does that mean the cheerleaders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I’m not sure McKenzie is qualified to replace Macc. To whit: did any of McKenzie’s second round picks take an NFL snap yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I’m not sure McKenzie is qualified to replace Macc. To whit: did any of McKenzie’s second round picks take an NFL snap yesterday? Derek Carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: No he isn’t. Why would a GM fire a coach and then hire him back some where else? Because the moves were made by Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 hours ago, drsamuel84 said: money speaks, give him enough money and he'll come work for us. If he doesn't want to be a GM, give him a Tom Coughlin type roll and let him pick the GM. I dont want a GM who doesnt want to be a GM, doesnt want to work and is only doing it for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Because the moves were made by Davis? Wasn’t aware. Thought Reggie did the firing and then once Gruden became available, Davis stepped in and completely gave it all to Jon Gruden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Wasn’t aware. Thought Reggie did the firing and then once Gruden became available, Davis stepped in and completely gave it all to Jon Gruden. I'm pretty sure it was Davis. He made comments that his father should never have dumped him and he wanted to fix that. Also I would assume a 10 year, $100 mil contract offer had to come directly from the owner. Could be a little of each though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Green Bay's drafting has suffered without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Jet Nut said: I dont want a GM who doesnt want to be a GM, doesnt want to work and is only doing it for the money. It's a fair concern but that's why I think maybe more of that "football czar" role would be intriguing. Gets him out of the day to day of being a GM and is positioned as a promotion. I'm not saying he would def. take it, I obviously know nothing about the guy but I think it would be worth exploring. The Johnsons are not knowledgeable football guys and should not be running the football ops dept. It also puts them in a position to have to fire Macc, let Newsome or McKenzie decide. Not to mention, it probably gives us a lot more credibility in finding a new coach if they know the "football czar" has signed off on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, drsamuel84 said: It's a fair concern but that's why I think maybe more of that "football czar" role would be intriguing. Gets him out of the day to day of being a GM and is positioned as a promotion. I'm not saying he would def. take it, I obviously know nothing about the guy but I think it would be worth exploring. The Johnsons are not knowledgeable football guys and should not be running the football ops dept. It also puts them in a position to have to fire Macc, let Newsome or McKenzie decide. Not to mention, it probably gives us a lot more credibility in finding a new coach if they know the "football czar" has signed off on it. Therein lies the conundrum. Woody and proxy Chris aren't savvy enough to realize the need for a director of football opps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, drsamuel84 said: It's a fair concern but that's why I think maybe more of that "football czar" role would be intriguing. Gets him out of the day to day of being a GM and is positioned as a promotion. I'm not saying he would def. take it, I obviously know nothing about the guy but I think it would be worth exploring. The Johnsons are not knowledgeable football guys and should not be running the football ops dept. It also puts them in a position to have to fire Macc, let Newsome or McKenzie decide. Not to mention, it probably gives us a lot more credibility in finding a new coach if they know the "football czar" has signed off on it. TheJohnsons are not knowledgeable football guys and should not be running thefootball ops dept. This why I take a wait and see approach with this team, i do not trust the Johnsons to make any competent football decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, drsamuel84 said: It's a fair concern but that's why I think maybe more of that "football czar" role would be intriguing. Gets him out of the day to day of being a GM and is positioned as a promotion. I'm not saying he would def. take it, I obviously know nothing about the guy but I think it would be worth exploring. The Johnsons are not knowledgeable football guys and should not be running the football ops dept. It also puts them in a position to have to fire Macc, let Newsome or McKenzie decide. Not to mention, it probably gives us a lot more credibility in finding a new coach if they know the "football czar" has signed off on it. The Johnsons know as much about football as any other owner and they all dont need a czar. Seems to me its just another layer above the GM and below the owner. Dont see much to it. Parcells was handed the job in Miami and what came out of it? Hasnt done a thing in Jax. Not sure what it does for you, think its much more important to just hire the right GM. I get the thinking, get a football guy in here to help run things but seems redundant to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said: TheJohnsons are not knowledgeable football guys and should not be running thefootball ops dept. This why I take a wait and see approach with this team, i do not trust the Johnsons to make any competent football decision. How many football decisions has Chris made that you think makes him incompetent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 12/11/2018 at 9:18 AM, Jet Nut said: How many football decisions has Chris made that you think makes him incompetent? Chris is acting owner so that makes him responsible for the team overall. I like Chris better than Woody, but neither are football guys and they are surrounded by for the most part paper pushers. If I was Chris I would hire a consultant not like Korn and Ferry but someone who has experience and is knowledgeable of today's modern NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, FTL Jet Fan said: Chris is the intern owner so that makes him responsible for the team overall. I like Chris better than Woody, but neither are football guys and they are surrounded by for the most part paper pushers. If I was Chris I would hire a consultant not like Korn and Ferry but someone who has experience and is knowledgeable of today's modern NFL. How many owners are football guys? How many winning teams are owned by football guys? J Jones thinks he is. Who are the paper pushers who are surrounding Chris and I assume you think make football decisions. This is as cliche as it gets. Again, how many football people do you need under ownership? GM, check. Add a VP position, ok. How about 2 of them, should be better. I dont see the importance other that it sounds like 2 heads are better than one. Lets actually let Chris make a football decision that affects the team before stating that hes incapable because he isnt a football guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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