Bell or draft?

[RobR]

11 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

He seems kind of slow. That’s my main concern He has good vision and can break tackles..reminds me of Doug Martin but I don’t think he fits what we do in the WCO. I think a quicker back like the Iowa State RB, T0m mentioned. He glides around and finds holes. Benny was good in a few of the games I watched but when it’s combine time, I think he’ll drop.

Just watched another tape and I see a 5th to 6th rounder. He takes what the defense gives him but doesn't create on his own. And like you mentioned I can see a horrible combine coming from him. 

I hope we don't draft him but that more than likely means he will be wearing green and white next year. It's my curse.

[New York Mick]

Bell doesn’t want to play for the Jets and is a douche bag. He’s the last thing this team needs. 

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, RobR said:

Not Paradis but I'm not getting the Snell love that is being thrown around. I've watched a grand total of two of his games and I don't see that game changer type of back. Looks more like a plodder to me.

 

44 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

He seems kind of slow. That’s my main concern He has good vision and can break tackles..reminds me of Doug Martin but I don’t think he fits what we do in the WCO. I think a quicker back like the Iowa State RB, T0m mentioned. He glides around and finds holes. Benny was good in a few of the games I watched but when it’s combine time, I think he’ll drop.

He's a natural at the position and can do the kinds of things that made Johnson/Hunt success at the point of contact. 

Meanwhile, you all continue to sleep on Williams. 

[Paradis]

32 minutes ago, RobR said:

He takes what the defense gives him but doesn't create on his own.  

Yes, never creates yardage.... 

[JetFaninMI]

Another team to watch out for in the Bell sweepstakes is the Kansas City Chiefs. They will have 44 to 49 mil in cap space and they do have a need. The appeal of playing with Mahomes and a stable HC could be a huge factor for Bell. Can you imagine adding Bell to that offense? Something to think about.

[RobR]

10 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Yes, never creates yardage.... 

Cmon man. You could post a highlight gif of that type of play for every RB that will be invited to the combine. He also broke a whopping 1 tackle on that play. He's a 5th-6th rounder especially when he runs around 4.6.

Not sure why you mentioned Williams in that post since I've never posted about him before.....maybe directed at PK?

[Patriot Killa]

12 minutes ago, Paradis said:

 

He's a natural at the position and can do the kinds of things that made Johnson/Hunt success at the point of contact. 

Meanwhile, you all continue to sleep on Williams. 

I agree that he plays contact well and he hits the hole with burst but I fear that he doesn’t maintain that speed all the way through the run and he isn’t much of a home run hit.. I have more work to do on Snell though. I just started digging into the RB class a little bit today. I’ve been focused on the WR’s more than anything else.

Dexter Williams will be next for me.

[Paradis]

5 minutes ago, RobR said:

Cmon man. You could post a highlight gif of that type of play for every RB that will be invited to the combine. He also broke a whopping 1 tackle on that play. He's a 5th-6th rounder especially when he runs around 4.6.

Not sure why you mentioned Williams in that post since I've never posted about him before.....maybe directed at PK?

More of a broad JN buckshot remark about Williams, no intended target. He's probably my #1 RB this year. He would be a perfect fit here, i would take him over L. Bell.

Look, i'm not gonna die on the Benny hill. I think he's got mojo and has a high floor. Speed/burst concerns may have merit, but it's not everything. Kids are gone this weekend, so i'm going to go back and take a proper look. 

[RobR]

Just now, Paradis said:

More of a broad JN buckshot remark about Williams, not intended target. He's probably my #1 RB this year. He would be a perfect fit here, i would take him over L. Bell.

Look, i'm not gonna die on the Benny hill. I think he's got mojo and has a high floor. Speed/burst concerns may have merit, but it's not everything. Kids are gone this weekend, so i'm going to take a proper look. 

I'm notoriously hard on prospects but after watching 3 games now I'm just not getting Snell. He's the same player in every tape and I can't even think of an NFL comparison on him. 

I'll check out Williams. 

[Tony MaC]

The strategy of "just get a RB in the middle rounds" is incredibly flawed. Despite the perception that says otherwise good Running Backs aren't a dime a dozen, for every middle to late round success there are probably three or four times as many mediocre players that don't amount to much... just like any other position. It's not wise to act as if it's a reliable answer.

Also going into the draft with a major need to fill usually isn't smart either. You wind up missing out on a good player at another spot that way.

The Jets should do their best to add playmakers to the team through free agency, including making a solid offer to Bell. I wont be upset with another RB in the draft or anything but don't lean on that.

[bealeb319]

I don't like bell for what his asking price is going to be I think there are other ways we can spend the money it would require to get him which would be more beneficial to our rebuild. One thought is that we aren't going to be a complete team next year because we won't be able to a dress everything, offensive line and pass rush must be adressed this off-season because of the depth in both free agency in the draft at pass rush and because our need on the offensive line. Having an highly talented running back to me is a luxury and one which can wait especially after he has been away from the sport for an entire year.

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[Maxman]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You bring bell in, you bring his agent in, you bring in a guy who tells each of the 53 on your roster that the NFL that the NFL is corporatist slaveholder bullsh*t that every player should resist with every fiber of their being until they have a new, socialist CBA and all of a sudden guys are sitting out with “abdominal strains” and you’re 4-12 until the end of time.

Jamal Adams team captain would never let this happen.

[14 in Green]

I’ve been pushing for Bell since I joined here just before this season. I feel even stronger about it now, because our offense has been so bad this year. The WR group, which a lot of us thought would be an ok group of #2 type guys, and what we thought would be a good enough RB by committee, were both horrible. I’m starting to think as bad as it was, it might benefit us long term, because I think Macc has to realize the QB needs weapons, and it will take several bold moves to address this.

 

I hope I’m right, because we won’t be competitive until he does. He has to make a big move for Bell, this has to get done. Then get creative and find a #1 WR. Something along the lines of what we talked about in that Mike Evans thread today. The lack of an edge pass rush also must be addressed. I really think the OL can be fixed easier then most think. Our priority though should be to address the pressing need we have for playmakers.

[playtowinthegame]

As soon as the free agency frenzy begins  pounce on DeMarcus Lawrence or Jadeveon Clowney, whichever one doesn't get tagged. That diva LeVeon Bell isn't coming here. He'll only use the Jets to get what he wants from another team he wants to play for. No need to waste our time chasing after Bell. If the Jets want to add a running back in free agency who won't break the bank before the draft to replace Powell they could sign Latavius  Murray. When the draft comes trade down in first round and bring a haul of draft picks back that will include a second round pick in the 2019 draft. Grab a running back in the 3rd round.

[14 in Green]

35 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

I don't like bell for what his asking price is going to be I think there are other ways we can spend the money it would require to get him which would be more beneficial to our rebuild. One thought is that we aren't going to be a complete team next year because we won't be able to a dress everything, offensive line and pass rush must be adressed this off-season because of the depth in both free agency in the draft at pass rush and because our need on the offensive line. Having an highly talented running back to me is a luxury and one which can wait especially after he has been away from the sport for an entire year.

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I understand what you’re saying, yet I resgpectfully disagree. Here’s why. If we’ve learned anything about Sam Darnold this year, it’s that he has talent, but is going to take some time to mature into the player we want him to be. While he’s doing that, he needs to be surrounded by superior skill position players at RB and WR. This will take a lot of pressure off him, and hopefully accelerate the process. A guy like Bell would be especially valuable since he is as dangerous catching the ball as he is running it. Those quick passes to Bell will also take pressure off an OL which also needs help, but not as much as Sam needs to have weapons. It would be a sin if he has to go into next season with this level of skill players around him again.

[jetstream23]

6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Buy Le’Veon Bell for big bucks or draft a running back this year?

Reason I ask is becsuse I’m skimming through the RB’s entering the draft and I don’t like Bryce Love as a 3 down back..Damien Harris isn’t worth a high pick..I like Benny Snell JR... Justice Hill is undersized.. I just don’t see a lot of top tier talent for RB’s in this draft. Dave Singletary is like 5’7 and reminds me of MJD but he’s more of a 5th-6th round pick and can’t be expected to be a #1 RB right away.

Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin is going to be an animal but he comes out in 2020. 

So what would you rather do? 

Buy Bell, bring back Crowell and McGuire.  That's a decent (very good) 3 RB depth chart.  Sign a WR2 and one or two offensive lineman.  Hit the Draft hard for a top WR prospect (future WR1) and hopefully draft a Center for the next 10 years.  A guy can dream! 

[14 in Green]

27 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

As soon as the free agency frenzy begins  pounce on DeMarcus Lawrence or Jadeveon Clowney, whichever one doesn't get tagged. That diva LeVeon Bell isn't coming here. He'll only use the Jets to get what he wants from another team he wants to play for. No need to waste our time chasing after Bell. If the Jets want to add a running back in free agency who won't break the bank before the draft to replace Powell they could sign Latavius  Murray. When the draft comes trade down in first round and bring a haul of draft picks back that will include a second round pick in the 2019 draft. Grab a running back in the 3rd round.

No. No. No. I’d make Bell an offer the first day of FA he couldn’t turn down. I’d blow him away. You’re looking to put jags around Sam. We don’t need anymore jags on this offense. We have the young QB, now we have to get him some elite playmakers. I don’t want a plan that gets us to 8-8, let’s start thinking 12-4 and kicking some Patriot ass once and for all.

[playtowinthegame]

8 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

No. No. No. I’d make Bell an offer the first day of FA he couldn’t turn down. I’d blow him away. You’re looking to put jags around Sam. We don’t need anymore jags on this offense. We have the young QB, now we have to get him some elite playmakers. I don’t want a plan that gets us to 8-8, let’s start thinking 12-4 and kicking some Patriot ass once and for all.

Come on 14 in Green, do you honestly think he's coming here? I don't want to offer him a fully guaranteed contract just to get him here. Bell will just use a team like the Jets to up the offer from a team he really wants to play for, which is one he can contend for a championship right away on. Jets have to rebuild there offensive line next off-season and have Sam Darnold playing in his sophomore season coming off a year he probably led the NFL in interceptions. It's not exactly an ideal situation for the Le'Veon Bell brand. You know his advisors will tell him to avoid the Jets. You're just setting yourself up for future disappointment like those who wanted Kirk Cousins last off-season. Wasting our time chasing Bell could lead to us missing out on some other free agent targets. This off-season we need to land an edge rusher. We need to beef up the offensive line and somehow find a way to get a true number one receiver. When D's can't stack the box, a running back by committee will work and be a lot cheaper for a team like ours that has a lot of holes. That cap space we have is like a mirage. We have a lot of players coming off rookie deals and holes to fill due to poor drafts by Maccagnan. I'm hopeful our next GM can trade down in the first round and get back some draft picks we gave up last year to move up. Fill as many holes in free agency and/or by trade before the draft, and then work the phones to trade down and acquire more draft picks. We need multiple picks in rounds 1 through 3. So far we have two third round picks, and one first round pick. If we can manufacture a couple second round picks from trading down, and perhaps a future first round pick, I'd be happy. I understand you really want Le'Veon Bell and there is no way I'm changing your mind on that, so I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I just would be shocked to see Le'Veon Bell choose the Jets. I don't want him but even if I did I find it highly unlikely he's coming here.

[Fantasy Island]

7 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

This is the issue that I have. Can Maccagnan identify and draft a future #1 RB?

He can't draft, that is for sure.

[14 in Green]

9 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Come on 14 in Green, do you honestly think he's coming here? I don't want to offer him a fully guaranteed contract just to get him here. Bell will just use a team like the Jets to up the offer from a team he really wants to play for, which is one he can contend for a championship right away on. Jets have to rebuild there offensive line next off-season and have Sam Darnold playing in his sophomore season coming off a year he probably led the NFL in interceptions. It's not exactly an ideal situation for the Le'Veon Bell brand. You know his advisors will tell him to avoid the Jets. You're just setting yourself up for future disappointment like those who wanted Kirk Cousins last off-season. Wasting our time chasing Bell could lead to us missing out on some other free agent targets. This off-season we need to land an edge rusher. We need to beef up the offensive line and somehow find a way to get a true number one receiver. When D's can't stack the box, a running back by committee will work and be a lot cheaper for a team like ours that has a lot of holes. That cap space we have is like a mirage. We have a lot of players coming off rookie deals and holes to fill due to poor drafts by Maccagnan. I'm hopeful our next GM can trade down in the first round and get back some draft picks we gave up last year to move up. Fill as many holes in free agency and/or by trade before the draft, and then work the phones to trade down and acquire more draft picks. We need multiple picks in rounds 1 through 3. So far we have two third round picks, and one first round pick. If we can manufacture a couple second round picks from trading down, and perhaps a future first round pick, I'd be happy. I understand you really want Le'Veon Bell and there is no way I'm changing your mind on that, so I guess we'll just agree to disagree. I just would be shocked to see Le'Veon Bell choose the Jets. I don't want him but even if I did I find it highly unlikely he's coming here.

At least we got some good news... The ‘Cuse extended Dino! ??????

[playtowinthegame]

27 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

At least we got some good news... The ‘Cuse extended Dino! ??????

Super happy about that!

[JohnnyLV]

Anyone stupid enough to give Bell the money he wants truly deserves the worm ridden hole they just dug for themselves. Think Cousins situation but far dumber

[RichardTodd27]

This is easy. Sign Kareem Hunt for reasonable money.

Video wasn't that bad and things are already starting to blow over. He's 23 and made a mistake (and nothing that compares to what others have done or that will do in the future).

 They'll deal with some bad press early on, but it'll all be forgotten soon enough.

[ECURB]

Clowney

Bell

Hunt

Draft WR

Also nobody is signing with the team if they aren't shown a plan of getting other A tier players... This team isn't 1 player away.

[neckdemon]

rather just spend a reasonable amount on mark ingram. bell is gonna be overpriced....and paying big a rb is usually a mistake

[Jetster]

Have you guys seen the list of free agent players? Did you read the cap just got BIGGER by millions? What that means is the list of players you see now will be even smaller because guys like Barr, Ford, Fowler, Humphries, will probably all be resigned.

What does that mean for the Jets? It means if we don't at least TRY to sign Bell, we'll see another offense take the field in 2019 that can't move the ball, our QB in 3rd & long constantly & Woody Johnson pocketing an unused 20 million in cap space that we couldn't even use! 

Woo Hoo!

[GreenFish]

Try and buy Bell. If he goes elsewhere, try and buy Tevin Coleman. If he says no, draft. 

[Creepy Lurker]

Just now, Jetster said:

Have you guys seen the list of free agent players? Did you read the cap just got BIGGER by millions? What that means is the list of players you see now will be even smaller because guys like Barr, Ford, Fowler, Humphries, will probably all be resigned.

What does that mean for the Jets? It means if we don't at least TRY to sign Bell, we'll see another offense take the field in 2019 that can't move the ball, our QB in 3rd & long constantly & Woody Johnson pocketing an unused 20 million in cap space that we couldn't even use! 

Woo Hoo!

At this point you acquire WHOEVER is available at WHATEVER position since the talent pool will be very small. We have to get better at all costs and will not have to worry about the cap at all for the next 4 years while on Sam’s rookie deal. Just grab talent at all costs and even grab older guys at some positions at this point for depth. It’s not like we have young depth that is good at all from all the failed drafting so just load up.

It’s not the smart or ideal way to build a team but we are in the worst case scenario already and have to be desperate. It won’t even hurt the cap so it’s our only shot at getting better. This is a very poor way to build a team but it’s all that we have left at this point.

This is a way worse disaster than anything Idzik did because of the long term ramifications. Mac created a hole that we won’t be able to get out of. 

[Jetster]

6 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

At this point you acquire WHOEVER is available at WHATEVER position since the talent pool will be very small. We have to get better at all costs and will not have to worry about the cap at all for the next 4 years while on Sam’s rookie deal. Just grab talent at all costs and even grab older guys at some positions at this point for depth. It’s not like we have young depth that is good at all from all the failed drafting so just load up.

It’s not the smart or ideal way to build a team but we are in the worst case scenario already and have to be desperate. It won’t even hurt the cap so it’s our only shot at getting better. This is a very poor way to build a team but it’s all that we have left at this point.

This is a way worse disaster than anything Idzik did because of the long term ramifications. Mac created a hole that we won’t be able to get out of. 

The way to look at how poorly this team is constructed is to see how few guys should be resigned. Honestly, not one player deserves a contract. Enunwa? Why overpay for a guy that can't stay on the field? Williams? His agent will be starting at Aaron Donalds contract & working his way back from there. It's pretty amazing how we got here. 4 years after Idzik & we have 2 studs in Darnold & Adams. Honestly, I think Williams might be one of the most overated NY Jets in some time. The announcers Bloviate about him because well, who else are they gonna talk about during the telecast? This he's double teamed on every play is so overblown it's ridiculous and that video last week exposed him when Allen ran past an area he could have been in with a bit of hustle. I was at the Titans game & he was standing straight up & down and couldn't bring down the RB right next to him on the goal line. It was like he had no awareness & didnt know where he was? The guy is very disappointing after being told the best player in the draft dropped to us! Meanwhile Scherff is a bonafide stud guard for Washington, playing a position mind you that we need to upgrade again at LG. 

Crazy when you look back at these drafts, I remember being all excited when the Skins took Scherff & was like holy sh*t, Williams dropped in our lap! A lot of guys were right on this board lamenting the fact we already had, Mo & Richardson on the team at the time. 

[Creepy Lurker]

5 minutes ago, Jetster said:

The way to look at how poorly this team is constructed is to see how few guys should be resigned. Honestly, not one player deserves a contract. Enunwa? Why overpay for a guy that can't stay on the field? Williams? His agent will be starting at Aaron Donalds contract & working his way back from there. It's pretty amazing how we got here. 4 years after Idzik & we have 2 studs in Darnold & Adams. Honestly, I think Williams might be one of the most overated NY Jets in some time. The announcers Bloviate about him because well, who else are they gonna talk about during the telecast? This he's double teamed on every play is so overblown it's ridiculous and that video last week exposed him when Allen ran past an area he could have been in with a bit of hustle. I was at the Titans game & he was standing straight up & down and couldn't bring down the RB right next to him on the goal line. It was like he had no awareness & didnt know where he was? The guy is very disappointing after being told the best player in the draft dropped to us! Meanwhile Scherff is a bonafide stud guard for Washington, playing a position mind you that we need to upgrade again at LG. 

Crazy when you look back at these drafts, I remember being all excited when the Skins took Scherff & was like holy sh*t, Williams dropped in our lap! A lot of guys were right on this board lamenting the fact we already had, Mo & Richardson on the team at the time. 

Yeah I said this a while ago. Announcers are lazy and why would they waste their limited time learning about the trash players on the Jets? Leo Williams is a well known name for his draft hype but he has been straight trash. He’s weak and lacks fire. Never added strength like he should have and settled for sucking. Now he’ll get paid so Mac can save face and because there’s literally no one else that we can pay.

It’s a horrible situation and drafting is the ONLY thing that can save us. That CANNOT happen with Mac as GM which is why the “Fire Mac” posts/sentiment continue on this board. We all care about this team and I feel very strongly that this POS ruined the team more than anyone, needs to be held accountable and we need to move forward and turn this around.

We can’t ruin a QB prospect like Sam due to coaching and a poor roster. It’s hard enough to be a good QB in this league and he has  shown some of that “it” factor that you can teach. Give him players and a decent coach and I think he’ll be top 15 in this league which is all you need. 

[Jetster]

2 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

Yeah I said this a while ago. Announcers are lazy and why would they waste their limited time learning about the trash players on the Jets? Leo Williams is a well known name for his draft hype but he has been straight trash. He’s weak and lacks fire. Never added strength like he should have and settled for sucking. Now he’ll get paid so Mac can save face and because there’s literally no one else that we can pay.

It’s a horrible situation and drafting is the ONLY thing that can save us. That CANNOT happen with Mac as GM which is why the “Fire Mac” posts/sentiment continue on this board. We all care about this team and I feel very strongly that this POS ruined the team more than anyone, needs to be held accountable and we need to move forward and turn this around.

We can’t ruin a QB prospect like Sam due to coaching and a poor roster. It’s hard enough to be a good QB in this league and he has  shown some of that “it” factor that you can teach. Give him players and a decent coach and I think he’ll be top 15 in this league which is all you need. 

Overpaying Jags has been an issue with this team for a LONG TIME. It's continueous because our drafting has been bad for 8 years now! That is a horrible streak that needs to end with the drafting of Darnold. The defensive mentality of our drafts hasn't changed & the list is sickening, from Gholston to Coples, Milliner, Pryor, Lee, Williams, Maye (can't stay on the field), it's high time we try to fix this offense. Drafting poorly has been this teams achilles since Pat Kirwin, to Terry Bradway. Every time we finally make a change the excitement level goes up like it did with Idzik (he's a Seattle guy) to Macc (he's bringing his own scouts from Texas), but nothing ever changes. We SUCK because our DRAFTS SUCK! That's the bottom line! Add to that a poor coaching choice like Bowles & here we are 8 years without playoffs. 

With Darnold in the fold, something's got to give. It is absolutely imperative that our drafting get better! I'm all for showing Macc the door & bringing in McKensie. We never learn. 

[Matt39]

Draft. Signing Bell would be Revis part 2.

[VinnyT16]

Dont want anything to do with Bell. He is the type of guy who would mail it on a bad team

[Sonny Werblin]

Bell is exactly the type of player the Jets should NOT want in their locker room. On top of that while he is very good, he is not as good as many think.  His being a top 3 RB was a product of playing behind a great O line. As it often is (see Zeke and Gurley). It doesn't take from the fact that he is an excellent back, but no one who doesn't have a really good O line should pay him for Pitt level performance because they are not going to get it. 

I'd prefer the Jets concentrate on O line, WR and Edge Rusher at this time. RB is a final piece type of player because they can be inserted as a rookie and perform at a high level, especially when you've already taken care of the O line and have a WR who demands help over the top.

While I know it may not be popular right now, if Hunt does enough stuff to show remorse and growth, I'd rather have him. Less miles and more dynamic. 

[playtowinthegame]

5 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Bell is exactly the type of player the Jets should NOT want in their locker room. On top of that while he is very good, he is not as good as many think.  His being a top 3 RB was a product of playing behind a great O line. As it often is (see Zeke and Gurley). It doesn't take from the fact that he is an excellent back, but no one who doesn't have a really good O line should pay him for Pitt level performance because they are not going to get it. 

I'd prefer the Jets concentrate on O line, WR and Edge Rusher at this time. RB is a final piece type of player because they can be inserted as a rookie and perform at a high level, especially when you've already taken care of the O line and have a WR who demands help over the top.

While I know it may not be popular right now, if Hunt does enough stuff to show remorse and growth, I'd rather have him. Less miles and more dynamic. 

I agree with your entire post.