jetstream23 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Again all you hear about critiques of our defense is “lack of technique” “out of position” and “miscommunication”. That screams bad coaching not bad talent There's some talent on that D. Not saying it's great or Top 10, but it's not 26th ranked talent IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Just now, jetstream23 said: There's some talent on that D. Not saying it's great or Top 10, but it's not 26th ranked talent IMO. Agreed. Maccagnan can get blame for the lack of talent on offense but not on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Jetsbb said: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1 When Rex was our coach we damn well new what our ranking was as he reminded everyone every chance he got. With our draft history of drafting exclusively defensive players in the first round for 10 years and only defensive head coaches for 20 years this is very embarrassing. An indictment of our so-called "defensive genius" :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Agreed. Maccagnan can get blame for the lack of talent on offense but not on defense. If the Jets had better personnel at WR1, Center and LT then this team, with a maturing QB, would have at least an average offense, if not better IMO. Crowell behind a better line with the threat of a passing game can be very good (not great). For some reason, I feel like the Jets are still just a few players away on offense. Upgrading those 3 spots would halt the complaining, upgrading a couple more than that would have us cheering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Some of our high end talent will look much worse under a real D coordinator. A real Dc is not going to line up his SS on the line going forward 8 times out of 10 in a passing league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 The only reason anyone thinks we have talent on defense is because they recognize the players names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Rexs worst D was, like, 8th... with no legit pass rush... and we had crap at QB the whole way False. Jets D in 2013: 16thJets D in 2014: 22ndBills D in 2015: 28thBills D in 2016: 28th And the year before Rex took over in Buffalo, the D was # 2. The Jets D the year after Rex was # 6 under Bowles in 2015. This disgusting nostalgia for Rex Ryan needs to end immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Jetsbb said: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2018&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1 When Rex was our coach we damn well new what our ranking was as he reminded everyone every chance he got. With our draft history of drafting exclusively defensive players in the first round for 10 years and only defensive head coaches for 20 years this is very embarrassing. Shockingly wrong, see above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Hey look at the huge silver lining though. If the Jets just had an average to bad HC these last 4 years, then you can forget about having not only a Franchise QB in Sam Darnold but he is looking more and more every day to be a potential #1 QB in the entire league as Tony Romo has projected. I've already seen him hit throws most of the QB's in the league can't. Without Bowles being so horrific (and don't leave out Maccagnan) and keeping his buddy as DC while throwing virtually all other assistants under the bus, and watching their D implode virtually 100% of the time when if they were able to just put up a stand just 1 time at the end of games the outcome was victory. Last 2 weeks great example..Darnold had Houston and Aaron Rodgers beat all by himself....then you'd be stuck watching the Jets trying to get the next Hackenberg to play at the pro level as they would draft yearly in no man's land, or even worse bringing in the next washed up Boomer Esiason type (would have loved Boomer to have been the Jet QB, but 10 years before they got him) in hopes of securing a .500 record and everyone in the Jet Mom & Pop Shop being able to keep their jobs...forget about winning. The Jet organization for decades has been about inept people covering for their friends....I don't think Sam Darnold will allow that anymore because first and foremost he's all about winning...if it continues he'll leave. That's why I think the Jets will finally pay for top quality at coach and the Front Office. They have their Crown Jewel in Darnold, it just makes good business sense. Yup if you look at the big picture all Jet fans should owe Bowles a huge amount of gratitude. Yes, finally being REALLY BAD helped us land Sam Darnold. Thank you Todd & Macc, youve done your jobs, now get the hell out of here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 The talent has been put in place the coaching hasn't. This is a very talented team that WOULD HAVE WON THE AFC EAST if Bowles was fired last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Some of our high end talent will look much worse under a real D coordinator. A real Dc is not going to line up his SS on the line going forward 8 times out of 10 in a passing league. Good point, never thought of it that way. Worse, Mayes is exactly that type of player also. Could mean trouble on the back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Merry Christmas to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 The talent has been put in place the coaching hasn't. This is a very talented team that WOULD HAVE WON THE AFC EAST if Bowles was fired last year. From 5-11 to AFC East champs. Impressive. Tell us more about this fictional coach-magician. Can we hire him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: I don't understand all the revisionist history about the Rex Ryan regime. Truth is/was that the last two years, Rex defense {granted it was a sight better than the sh*t Bowles throws out there} was nothing to write home about. Homogenous, mostly soft and uninspiring. I can remember many second half meltdowns similar to the ones we suffer through now. We have experienced enough slow deaths through soft "prevent" type schemes to last a lifetime. I have no appetite to see this "Clown Show" make a repeat performance in this town. BTW Rob is WORSE. AND, Rex had actual talent to coach. Bowles lost his two 'pro bowl' DEs and the front seven is, on the whole, average. My issues with Bowles are about the offense. He's coached decently enough on the defensive side of the ball. And he has no real defensive coordinator. My issues are with how completely inept the offense has looked. And the sloppy, penalty filled stupidity that is week-in and week-out. Let's not elevate Ryan just to denigrate Bowles. Both are different sides of the same coin: defensive coordinators who really don't know dick about coaching offense or having an effective one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Losmeister said: will someone rush out and buy this schmuck some "i know wtf i am talking about" ,please... should be on sale, now Please refrain from calling people names please. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 56 minutes ago, Reynolds1029 said: The talent has been put in place the coaching hasn't. This is a very talented team that WOULD HAVE WON THE AFC EAST if Bowles was fired last year. No kidding? That’s amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsbb Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Jet Nut said: And we all know that the failed defense is part of the reason why hes getting fired. But for some reason we need a daily thread sounding shocked. And even more puzzling, why the hell is it embarrassing It is embarrassing because of the amount of extreme resources this team has put into defense. Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex, Bowles I mean come on! The look on Darnold's face when told he was the first offensive guy drafted by the Jets in the first round since Sanchez was priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Philc1 said: Zero pass rush, CBs Suck and Bowles cannot make an adjustment ever That's not true, I heard a rumor he tightened his belt during one of the halftimes this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Beerfish said: Some of our high end talent will look much worse under a real D coordinator. A real Dc is not going to line up his SS on the line going forward 8 times out of 10 in a passing league. Adams has an elite coverage grade. I'm sure you noticed after maye went Down that he has been in deep coverage much more often Please elaborate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Jetsbb said: It is embarrassing because of the amount of extreme resources this team has put into defense. Parcells, Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex, Bowles I mean come on! The look on Darnold's face when told he was the first offensive guy drafted by the Jets in the first round since Sanchez was priceless. Nonsense. Nothing extreme and youre really going back to the 90s and ignoring the good defensive teams we've had in those years? You should be more embarrassed for saying this. Especially when you imagined the nonsense about the look on Darnolds face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Larz said: Adams has an elite coverage grade. I'm sure you noticed after maye went Down that he has been in deep coverage much more often Please elaborate He cant elaborate anything. He just spews out one negative cliche after another. This is the guy who a few months ago said that Adams should have been a day 2 pick, 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I'm so sick of educating the ignorant, do I have to put this in my sig? Snap counts for Adams FS. 240 SS.84 LB.324 EDGE 124 SCB 122 CB 31 So free safety and slot corner and outside corner is 393 snaps and he has an elite coverage grade. Let's stop with the box safety nonsense mkay? Linebacker, edge rusher and strong safety is 532. Obviously on some of those plays he winds up covering someone and when he is in the slot or outside it winds up a run play sometimes so it's hard to say the exact ratio but watch the video He is elite in coverage and blitzing. Elite You guys need to get a clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Watching Johnson's. Skrine's. Claiborne's. and Robert's "technique" evolve over this season, my vote as to who gets banished to coaching hell is this guy. Poor positioning, illegal use of hands, improper tackling (hitting near the head and shoulders). I could go on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Our d has talent our d coaches suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyjet Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Bowles just plain sucks. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Larz said: Adams has an elite coverage grade. I'm sure you noticed after maye went Down that he has been in deep coverage much more often Please elaborate Oh you mean like on the 1st td where he ran forward then watched as the guy ran right past him? Elite? Laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jet Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: From 5-11 to AFC East champs. Impressive. Tell us more about this fictional coach-magician. Can we hire him? Matt Nagy did something similar with the Bears this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Matt Nagy did something similar with the Bears this season. Adding a future HOF pass rusher has a lot to do with that. Per FO they were the # 14 defense last season, and are # 1 this year. But yes, Nagy has done a very good job helping Trubisky in his 2nd season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Reynolds1029 said: The talent has been put in place the coaching hasn't. This is a very talented team that WOULD HAVE WON THE AFC EAST if Bowles was fired last year. This is a bottom 5 talent roster. Mac, IMO, is demonstrably worse than Bowles. Some of the moves/picks Mac has made are inexplicable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: This is a bottom 5 talent roster. Mac, IMO, is demonstrably worse than Bowles. Some of the moves/picks Mac has made are inexplicable... Bowles is a bottom 5 CFL football coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 ✔Rich Cimini The Jets have been outscored, 60-14, in the final 5 minutes of the fourth quarter, largest point differential in the league. Surprise: This week's opponent, Patriots, aren't much better -- 53-16. #Jets 17 2:09 PM - Dec 26, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: ✔Rich Cimini The Jets have been outscored, 60-14, in the final 5 minutes of the fourth quarter, largest point differential in the league. Surprise: This week's opponent, Patriots, aren't much better -- 53-16. #Jets 17 2:09 PM - Dec 26, 2018 Yeah except that patriots are usually eased off at that point, killing the clock. Jets are losing their lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynolds1029 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 12 hours ago, FidelioJet said: This is a bottom 5 talent roster. Mac, IMO, is demonstrably worse than Bowles. Some of the moves/picks Mac has made are inexplicable... He had one bad pick in Hackenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 He had one bad pick in Hackenberg. lol. Just one? How about the Hansen and Stewart picks? Devin Smith? Mauldin? Taking back to back safeties rounds 1 & 2? Jarvis Harrison? Juston Burris? Nathan Shepherd doesn’t look like a winner either if early returns are any indication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 13 hours ago, FidelioJet said: This is a bottom 5 talent roster. Mac, IMO, is demonstrably worse than Bowles. Some of the moves/picks Mac has made are inexplicable... You guys act like Bowles has been asking for OL and WR with premium picks and Mac said, no, you will get safeties, interior Dlmen and Inside LBers and like it, too bad Bowles. Get real guys, Bowles has set the tone of this roster, MAC is no help, but the design which is piss poor is on Bowles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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