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7 hours ago, kelticwizard said:

And yet, oddly, Eli in 2008 became the first QB to throw two go-ahead TDs in the 4th quarter of a Super Bowl.  And the Giants defense gave up 274 yards to the Patriots, but Eli's offense made 338 yards.  Oh yeah, I can really see Bortles doing this.

 

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he had an easy INT dropped that would have ended the game then had a ball stick to a helmet on a hail mary type throw but that was all the skill of Eli, right? 

You can give me whatever yards you want, The Patriots averaged 38 PPG that season(around 36 or so after taking out D/STs scores) and the Giants D held them to 14 points. It wasn't just the SBs it was throughout each postseason game in both runs against top QBs like Romo, Ryan, Favre and league MVPs Brady and Rodgers not to mention Alex Smith who, a week before the giant game, led his O to 36 pts on the same field. 

Bortles won a playoff game on the road where his D allowed 42 points., That is more than double any amount the giants D gave up where Eli won.  w/o GREAT defense Eli didn't stand a chance to win in postseason.  Eli played w/ much more talented teams than Bortles ever played with.  Put him or a million other different mediocre QBs on those Giants teams and the results are same.  Give them good QBs and the results are different as the team wins more in the reg season and the games aren't as close in the playoffs.

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On ‎12‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 1:19 PM, kelticwizard said:

Giants don't usually bring in mediocre stopgaps.  When things go bad, they draft a new QB.

 

Exceptions might be Foles, who has had up-and-down regular seasons but now has shone brightly in two relief stints including a Super Bowl victory, and Carr, who is still young and has shown ability.  I don't see Tannehill going to the Giants.

Btw Simms and Eli they brought in Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner(who everyone thought was done at that point in his career). 

Things went badly for the current Giants QB about 6-7 years ago, they should have moved on at least 3-4 years ago but did not and it cost Coughlin and McAdoo their jobs along w/ Reese and it will cost Gettleman and Schurmur their jobs too if they stick w/ Eli.

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7 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Bortles won a playoff game on the road where his D allowed 42 points., That is more than double any amount the giants D gave up where Eli won. 

Well that certainly overbalances two Super Bowl victory runs on the road all the way, culminating with two out of two victories over the QB some tout as the greatest of all time, the last victory  against a then-undefeated team being hailed as the greatest assemblage of football players and coaches in history.  Why, Eli's being the first Super Bowl quarterback throwing two go ahead touchdowns in the final quarter to obtain the victory is as nothing as the performance of the great Bortles.

 

This board is indeed blessed to have posters who can see right through the muck into the essentials such as yourself.

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19 hours ago, kelticwizard said:

Well that certainly overbalances two Super Bowl victory runs on the road all the way, culminating with two out of two victories over the QB some tout as the greatest of all time, the last victory  against a then-undefeated team being hailed as the greatest assemblage of football players and coaches in history.  Why, Eli's being the first Super Bowl quarterback throwing two go ahead touchdowns in the final quarter to obtain the victory is as nothing as the performance of the great Bortles.

 

This board is indeed blessed to have posters who can see right through the muck into the essentials such as yourself.

In 2 conf championship games and 2 SBs Eli led his offenses to 20, 17, 17 & 19 points in regulation and won all 4. in both con championship games the GW FG in OT was set up by a TO that set the Giants up in FG range to win the games but please keep telling me how Eli was crucial to those runs b/c a ball stuck to a helmet and Wes Welker dropped a game clinching reception. 

Eli made a perfect throw to Manningham in the last SB to get that TD drive going but if the giants don't play incredible D they don't have a chance to win- same thing w/ SB XLII.  Those Ds not only shut down some of the great Os and greatest QBs of all time but they also created a million TOs and still Eli could only lead his Os to more than 24 points just ONE time.

7 TOs forced in 4 games in '07 run

7 TOs forced in 4 games in '11 run

almost 2 TOs per game, the only game they didn't create a TO was the Atlanta game where the D SHUT OUT Matt Ryan and Atlanta

In the 4 one and done playoff losses for the great Eli his D/STs create a grand total of TWO TOs.  If things weren't perfect around Eli he had no shot.

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3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

In 2 conf championship games and 2 SBs Eli led his offenses to 20, 17, 17 & 19 points in regulation and won all 4. in both con championship games the GW FG in OT was set up by a TO that set the Giants up in FG range to win the games but please keep telling me how Eli was crucial to those runs b/c a ball stuck to a helmet and Wes Welker dropped a game clinching reception. 

Eli made a perfect throw to Manningham in the last SB to get that TD drive going but if the giants don't play incredible D they don't have a chance to win- same thing w/ SB XLII.  Those Ds not only shut down some of the great Os and greatest QBs of all time but they also created a million TOs and still Eli could only lead his Os to more than 24 points just ONE time.

7 TOs forced in 4 games in '07 run

7 TOs forced in 4 games in '11 run

almost 2 TOs per game, the only game they didn't create a TO was the Atlanta game where the D SHUT OUT Matt Ryan and Atlanta

In the 4 one and done playoff losses for the great Eli his D/STs create a grand total of TWO TOs.  If things weren't perfect around Eli he had no shot.

any football fan who isnt a dolt knows this...  but tryna convince a friggin Eli Manning fan? you'll die trying. for your won sake, just don't bother.

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15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 


Not as a starter.

 

He might get a starting job.  If the giants draft a qb at 6 I could see them bringing in tannehill as a bridge for a year or two.

He is not a franchise qb but he could be a bridge or hold the fort type guy.

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16 hours ago, nyjunc said:

In 2 conf championship games and 2 SBs Eli led his offenses to 20, 17, 17 & 19 points in regulation and won all 4.

 

Yes,  they won.  Under Eli.  And your point IS?  :roll:

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 in both con championship games the GW FG in OT was set up by a TO that set the Giants up in FG range to win the games but please keep telling me how Eli was crucial to those runs b/c a ball stuck to a helmet

Really, how many times does this have to be drilled into your heads?  It is a catch if the ball is held between a hand and any part of the uniform.  That includes the jersey, the belt, the pants, the helmet.  Got it now, or will that require a couple of more decades for you to absorb?

 

Oh, and I do recall some small maneuvering to escape tackles before Eli got free for that pass, let me see:

Aaah, the wonders of YouTube.  Sure, every game QBs shake themselves free from several linemen holding them to get the ball downfield, right?  It's a miracle Eli wasn't sacked.  And yet no mention of that from you-why would that be, with the game so indelibly etched into your mind and all? 

 

Face it, it was a spectacular play by Eli and a spectacular play by Tyree-a case study of a QB raising the level of the players on his team to match him.

 

Oh yes, I can easily see Bortles doing something like this.....

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6 hours ago, kelticwizard said:

Yes,  they won.  Under Eli.  And your point IS?  :roll:

Really, how many times does this have to be drilled into your heads?  It is a catch if the ball is held between a hand and any part of the uniform.  That includes the jersey, the belt, the pants, the helmet.  Got it now, or will that require a couple of more decades for you to absorb?

 

Oh, and I do recall some small maneuvering to escape tackles before Eli got free for that pass, let me see:

Aaah, the wonders of YouTube.  Sure, every game QBs shake themselves free from several linemen holding them to get the ball downfield, right?  It's a miracle Eli wasn't sacked.  And yet no mention of that from you-why would that be, with the game so indelibly etched into your mind and all? 

 

Face it, it was a spectacular play by Eli and a spectacular play by Tyree-a case study of a QB raising the level of the players on his team to match him.

 

Oh yes, I can easily see Bortles doing something like this.....

He threw essentially a hail mary and the ball stuck to a helmet.  Stop it. The scramble to stay alive was nice(though he could have bee ruled down) and yeah I'm sure the much more mobile, much stronger Bortles couldn't keep a play alive w/ his legs.

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On 1/7/2019 at 7:19 AM, nyjunc said:

He threw essentially a hail mary and the ball stuck to a helmet.  Stop it.

NO.  Whatcha gonna do about it?

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I'm sure the much more mobile, much stronger Bortles couldn't keep a play alive w/ his legs.

I'm even more sure Bortles couldn't be anywhere near the Super Bowl to begin with.  Unlike Eli, twice

 

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2 hours ago, kelticwizard said:

NO.  Whatcha gonna do about it?

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I'm even more sure Bortles couldn't be anywhere near the Super Bowl to begin with.  Unlike Eli, twice

 

He was in an AFC championship game last year, that's close to a SB, right?  He led his O to more points against NE than Eli did in either game against them.  This was after winning a road div Rd game when his D allowed 42 pts.

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On 1/6/2019 at 12:47 PM, Joe W. Namath said:

He might get a starting job.  If the giants draft a qb at 6 I could see them bringing in tannehill as a bridge for a year or two.

He is not a franchise qb but he could be a bridge or hold the fort type guy.

 

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On 1/7/2019 at 9:30 AM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I really hope the Fish bring in Foles and give him a monster long term deal. 

That’s exactly what will happen

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5 hours ago, nyjunc said:

He [Bortles] was in an AFC championship game last year, that's close to a SB, right? 

In what way?  Unless you win, you still can't get into the Super Bowl without a ticket.

 

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He [Bortles] led his O to more points against NE than Eli did in either game against them.

You have a wonderful Twilight Zoney consciousness where separate seasons, separate years, who won and who lost all fall into a deep obscure mist and all that matters is one team scored more points against the Patriots in some past game which was not enough for them to win, but was more than the points Eli's team scored to win the Super Bowl against the Patriots when Eli's team did win.

 

You seem to feel strongly this proves something.  The rest of us can only marvel at the wonder of it all.

 

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Tannehill is this generation’s Vinny Teataverde he will revitalise a franchise and then probably break its fans’ hearts with a terribly-timed injury 

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On 1/5/2019 at 7:07 AM, nyjunc said:

Btw Simms and Eli they brought in Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner(who everyone thought was done at that point in his career). 

Things went badly for the current Giants QB about 6-7 years ago, they should have moved on at least 3-4 years ago but did not and it cost Coughlin and McAdoo their jobs along w/ Reese and it will cost Gettleman and Schurmur their jobs too if they stick w/ Eli.

Why would the giants want Tannehill?  Eli is still a way better player and there will be better free agent qbs available as backups 

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37 minutes ago, jgb said:

Tannehill is this generation’s Vinny Teataverde he will revitalise a franchise and then probably break its fans’ hearts with a terribly-timed injury 

Jameis Winston actually is more comparable to Vinny.  Tannehill is a glorified Trent Edwards

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12 hours ago, kelticwizard said:

In what way?  Unless you win, you still can't get into the Super Bowl without a ticket.

 

You have a wonderful Twilight Zoney consciousness where separate seasons, separate years, who won and who lost all fall into a deep obscure mist and all that matters is one team scored more points against the Patriots in some past game which was not enough for them to win, but was more than the points Eli's team scored to win the Super Bowl against the Patriots when Eli's team did win.

 

You seem to feel strongly this proves something.  The rest of us can only marvel at the wonder of it all.

 

So playing in a conference championship game is not close to reaching the super bowl?

 

The Giants won because Eli's D played incredible football.  He won 2 title games and 2 SBs without ever leading his O to more than 20 pts in regulation.  I doubt that has happened many times in history and 2x Eli was able to win conf titles and SBs without leading O to more than 20 in regulation.

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10 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Why would the giants want Tannehill?  Eli is still a way better player and there will be better free agent qbs available as backups 

I didn't say they would but I would disagree Eli is better, Eli isn't better than any other starters currently.  Both Eli and tannehill are bottom rung starters

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18 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I didn't say they would but I would disagree Eli is better, Eli isn't better than any other starters currently.  Both Eli and tannehill are bottom rung starters

Sez you.

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18 hours ago, nyjunc said:

So playing in a conference championship game is not close to reaching the super bowl?

Let's put it this way-it's not nearly the same importance as actually winning the Super Bowl.  If winning a regular season game is a one and winning the Super Bowl is a ten, losing a conference championship game is a three.

 

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 He won 2 title games and 2 SBs without ever leading his O to more than 20 pts in regulation.  I doubt that has happened many times in history and 2x Eli was able to win conf titles and SBs without leading O to more than 20 in regulation.

Any more obscure statistics and weird qualifications you care to come up with?  Eli went to two Super Bowls and won two Super Bowls, the second of which was against a team with a perfect record that the media had already dubbed The Greatest Of All Time.  They were the Greatest Of All Time until Eli led the Giants to two go-ahead touchdowns in the fourth quarter, something never done before.  If Bortles somehow finds something and elevates his game in the future, more power to him.  But as of right now, I don't see Bortles winning any Super Bowls.  I'm not sure I see Bortles in the NFL a couple of years from now even.

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On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 3:23 AM, kelticwizard said:

Sez you.

I would bet a lot more than me, the only team that appears to believe in Eli appears to be the Giants and it has resulted in missing the playoffs 8 of 10 seasons and the firing of multiple HCs and a GM w/ more to come if they hold onto him.

On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 3:39 AM, kelticwizard said:

Let's put it this way-it's not nearly the same importance as actually winning the Super Bowl.  If winning a regular season game is a one and winning the Super Bowl is a ten, losing a conference championship game is a three.

 

Any more obscure statistics and weird qualifications you care to come up with?  Eli went to two Super Bowls and won two Super Bowls, the second of which was against a team with a perfect record that the media had already dubbed The Greatest Of All Time.  They were the Greatest Of All Time until Eli led the Giants to two go-ahead touchdowns in the fourth quarter, something never done before.  If Bortles somehow finds something and elevates his game in the future, more power to him.  But as of right now, I don't see Bortles winning any Super Bowls.  I'm not sure I see Bortles in the NFL a couple of years from now even.

Your quote was something like he never got close to a SB, you didn't say he never made one.  He was close to one just last year and, unlike Eli in his 2 SB years, his D let him down.

 

The first was against the undefeated Pats that averaged 38 PPG and were held to 14.

If Eli's STs/Ds didn't do what they did Eli would have been gone from the Giants a long time ago.  the perception you "led" a team to SBs is great for job security.  Eli has been mediocre at best the majority of his career, he was fortunate to play during those 2 runs where his D played lights out against great offenses.

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On 1/7/2019 at 9:30 AM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I really hope the Fish bring in Foles and give him a monster long term deal. 

It's funny because that's exactly what some of the fans want down here. I can see the front office going for it also. 

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