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The quarterback class for the 2019 NFL draft became clearer Wednesday as Oregon's Justin Herbert, who was ranked the No. 1 QB by ESPN NFL draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr., announced that he is returning to school for another year. Herbert will join a loaded 2020 class with the likes of Alabama's Tua Tagovailoa, Georgia's Jake Fromm and others.

The 2019 class, though? There's still much to be decided in the four months until April's draft.

 

After five quarterbacks went in Round 1 this past April, the 2019 class isn't as top-heavy, partially because the NFL's worst teams took QBs in 2018. The Giants and Jaguars are the only teams projected to pick in the top 10 that have glaring needs at the position (unless Raiders coach Jon Gruden decides to dip his toes into the water).

Who are the top QBs in the 2019 class now? Let's meet the 11 candidates who are jockeying for position, with notes on each from Kiper and Todd McShay, insight from talent evaluators in the NFL and everything else you need to know about the 2019 rookies:

Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State

Year: Third-year sophomore | Ht/Wt: 6-foot-3, 220 | Career starts: 13

Total QBR: 86.9 (Fourth in FBS) | Full stats

Who he is and where he ranks

So long, Herbert. Hello, Haskins? In any other year, Haskins might have been a lock to win the Heisman Trophy. Instead, he finished third behind two of the greatest QB seasons of all time. He threw 47 touchdown passes and just eight interceptions while leading the Buckeyes to a Big Ten title. Besides Alabama defensive tackle Quinnen Williams, Haskins is the biggest draft riser in the Class of 2019. He has an effortless throwing motion and he was clutch in Ohio State's season-defining wins over Michigan and Northwestern. Check out this beautiful bomb in the conference title game. Like Herbert, Haskins could return to school for another year (or two).

The biggest question about him? Sample size. Those 13 starts are far fewer than NFL teams would like to see before they invest in a first-round quarterback. There is a recent precedent, however, as Mitchell Trubisky started just 13 games at North Carolina before the Bears took him No. 2 overall in 2017. Haskins, by the way, received a first-round grade from the NFL's college personnel advisory board, according to a report by ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

Kiper's draft ranking: No. 2 QB (behind Herbert) and No. 7 overall prospect. From Kiper's Big Board: "He has a big arm, shows great anticipation on his throws, takes care of the ball and has solid athleticism."

McShay's draft ranking: No. 1 QB and No. 18 overall prospect. From McShay's Top 32: "Based solely on his physical tools, the bar is really high for the Ohio State starter despite a limited college career."

What the NFL thinks of Haskins

"I like Haskins. He reminds me of Teddy Bridgewater as a prospect, when he was a first-round pick [No. 32 overall in 2014]. You might be able to get Haskins later in the first round. I think he is a little more known than some of the others in terms of projecting what he will be." -- NFL evaluator, as told to ESPN's Mike Sando

What's next?

Haskins will make start No. 14 against a tough Washington defense in the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1 (5 p.m. ET on ESPN/ESPN app). That gives him less than two weeks to decide about his NFL future, as underclassmen must announce their intentions by Jan. 14. If Haskins returns, the 2020 class could be loaded. If he decides to enter the draft, we'll see him at the NFL combine, which starts Feb. 26. McShay pegged Haskins to the Giants in the top 10 of his Mock Draft 1.0.

 

Daniel Jones, Duke

Year: Fourth-year junior | Ht/Wt: 6-5, 220 | Career starts: 35

Total QBR: 68.0 (42nd in FBS) | Full stats

Who he is and where he ranks

Keep an eye on quarterback whisperer David Cutcliffe's latest project, who could be the biggest beneficiary of Herbert's staying in school. The Duke coach has raved about Jones, a three-year starter who took a big step forward in 2018. His career numbers don't scream first-rounder -- 47 touchdown passes and 27 interceptions, while completing 59.5 percent of his passes, with a QBR of 60.7 -- but Jones didn't play with high-end talent. He's a dual-threat signal-caller. Jones rushed for 186 yards (and threw for 361) in the Blue Devils' win over rival North Carolina. Need proof of his toughness? Jones broke the collarbone in his left, non-throwing arm in September and missed only two games. If he chooses to forgo his final season of eligibility, Jones is expected to be in the mix to be the top QB off the board.

Kiper's draft ranking: No. 3 QB and No. 25 overall prospect. From Kiper's Big Board: "... The most impressive trait I've seen from Jones this season is his ability to buy time in the pocket and use his feet to get square and make a throw."

McShay's draft ranking: No. 7 QB and No. 71 overall prospect. From McShay's preview of the Independence Bowl: "[Jones has] been accurate and shown a lot of toughness, especially in that Clemson game."

What the NFL thinks of Jones

"There are similarities to Carson Wentz -- great kid, great family, big body, makes all the throws, pretty smart, but does have an injury history. What he's got going for him is the guy coaching him [Cutcliffe]. That is going to play so much in his favor. He could end up being the top quarterback drafted." -- NFL evaluator, as told to ESPN's Mike Sando

What's next?

 

Jones is undecided about playing one more season for the Blue Devils, but he already has a degree and he could be a late invite to January's Senior Bowl, in which many of these quarterbacks will compete against one another. Catch Jones and Duke against Temple in the Walk-On's Independence Bowl on Thursday (1:30 p.m. ET on ESPN/ESPN app).

Will Grier, West Virginia

Year: Senior | Ht/Wt: 6-2, 221 | Career starts: 27

Total QBR: 81.6 (10th in FBS) | Full stats

Who he is and where he ranks

Grier might not be the most famous member of his immediate family -- seriously, his siblings have millions of Instagram followers -- but he could be a first-round pick in April. After redshirting at Florida in 2014, he led the Gators to a 6-0 start in 2015 ... and then was suspended for testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance (an over-the-counter supplement, he said). Grier decided to transfer, ending up at West Virginia, where he put up bonkers numbers (76 total TDs) in Dana Holgorsen's spread attack the past two seasons. Grier doesn't have outstanding measurables, but scouts love his accuracy and moxie. Kiper and McShay rate him as a Day 2 pick with the potential to move up during the pre-draft process.

Kiper's draft ranking: No. 5 QB.

McShay's draft ranking: No. 3 QB and No. 39 overall prospect. From McShay's preseason scouting report: "[Grier] has average zip on intermediate throws but can drive the ball vertically, although it requires full-body effort."

What the NFL thinks of Grier

"I think it's going to be a thin crop of quarterbacks in the end, and so a guy like Grier could go earlier than he should. I think most of the league is going to look at him as a low-end starter or high-end backup." -- NFL evaluator, as told to ESPN's Mike Sando

What's next?

Grier is skipping West Virginia's bowl game to prepare for the draft, and he has accepted an invite to participate in the Senior Bowl. He'll jockey for position in practices in Mobile, Alabama, with a few other quarterbacks and compete against more of the nation's best upperclassmen prospects.

Drew Lock, Missouri

Year: Senior | Ht/Wt: 6-3, 228 | Career starts: 45

Total QBR: 82.4 (Ninth in FBS) | Full stats

Who he is and where he ranks

Lock burst onto the draft radar after a 44-touchdown season in 2017, and he was the first quarterback off the board in McShay's way-too-early mock draft in early May. McShay even called him a "poor man's Patrick Mahomes" before the season. His stock has fallen a little, but he has been more efficient (improved QBR and completion percentage with fewer picks) in 2018. Critics, however, will point to a horrid three-game stretch against Georgia, South Carolina and Alabama in which Lock had seven turnovers (five INTs) and just one touchdown pass while completing only 48.2 percent of his throws. Turn on the tape of Missouri's upset of Florida, though, to see Lock show off what scouts see in him. You might also remember him from his unique trash talk in the 2017 Texas Bowl.

Kiper's draft ranking: No. 4 QB.

McShay's draft ranking: No. 4 QB and No. 49 overall prospect. From McShay's preseason scouting report: "If developed properly, he has the natural tools to start in the NFL."

What the NFL thinks of Lock

"He's one of the more talented quarterbacks in this class and should go in the first couple rounds. He is capable of looking like an NFL starter but has just been inconsistent in terms of his accuracy and his decision-making. Somebody will like him because he has all the physical tools. Playing in more of a pro-style offense this year will help him. He might need some development, but he has more upside than most of these other guys." -- NFL evaluator, as told to ESPN's Mike Sando

What's next?

 

Lock will finish his college career against Oklahoma State in the AutoZone Liberty Bowl on New Year's Eve (3:45 p.m. ET on ESPN/ESPN app). You'll see him next at the Senior Bowl, in which he should turn heads in practice with his strong arm.

Ryan Finley, NC State

Year: Senior | Ht/Wt: 6-4, 208 | Career starts: 40

Total QBR: 81.4 (11th in FBS) | Full stats

Who he is and where he ranks

Is it possible for a sixth-year senior to be under the radar? That could be Finley, who spent three years in a crowded quarterback room at Boise State before graduating and transferring to NC State, where he has started 37 games and led the Wolfpack to back-to-back nine-win seasons. Finley began the season at No. 16 overall on McShay's ranking of the best 2019 prospects, and like Lock, he dropped as Herbert and Haskins moved up. Finley, however, had an improved senior season, throwing 24 touchdown passes and just nine interceptions. He has stellar touch on his throws -- check out this touchdown against East Carolina -- but is inconsistent down the field and is only an average athlete. Finley has a chance to rise in the class.

Kiper's draft ranking: No. 6 QB.

McShay's draft ranking: No. 5 QB and No. 61 overall prospect. From McShay's preseason rankings: "He gets through progressions quickly and shows good poise and feel inside the pocket."

What the NFL thinks of Finley

"He is accurate, he is smart, but just from a physical standpoint, I think people will see him as a backup, just because of his size, his talent, arm and those things." -- NFL evaluator, as told to ESPN's Mike Sando

What's next?

 

Finley is headed to the Senior Bowl in Mobile in late January, but you can catch him and NC State in the TaxSlayer Gator Bowl against Texas A&M on New Year's Eve (7:30 p.m. ET on ESPN/ ESPN app).

Jarrett Stidham, Auburn

Year: Fourth-year junior | Ht/Wt: 6-3, 215 | Career starts: 29

Total QBR: 57.3 (74th in FBS) | Full stats

Who he is and where he ranks

Stidham, the 2017 SEC newcomer of the year who entered the season with 20-1 odds to win the Heisman Trophy, took a step back in 2018 (as did 7-5 Auburn). The Baylor transfer began the season as one of the draft's top prospects -- "I think that's a fair assessment," coach Gus Malzahn said in August -- but now finds himself in the middle of the pack in the class. Stidham completed 63.4 percent of his passes and threw 31 touchdowns and 11 interceptions in two seasons at Auburn in Malzahn's run-heavy spread offense, but he isn't much of a running threat and looked out of sorts at times with the Tigers. Could he make a leap over the next few months and light up the combine?

Kiper's draft ranking: No. 10 QB.

McShay's draft ranking: No. 6 QB and No. 67 overall prospect. From McShay's preseason scouting report: "[Stidham] can fit the ball into some tight spots and shows the ability to drive the ball vertically."

What the NFL thinks of Stidham

"He has a good arm, but his decision-making, anticipation and some of those things you need as a quarterback probably are not where you would like them to be. To me, his ceiling is as a backup. He has been really inconsistent this year." -- NFL evaluator, as told to ESPN's Mike Sando

What's next?

 

Stidham has already announced that he is entering the draft, and he'll play his final collegiate game against Purdue in the Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl on Friday (1:30 p.m. ET on ESPN/ESPN app). Stidham will next be seen at the combine in early March.

Kyler Murray, Oklahoma

Year: Junior | Ht/Wt: 5-10, 195 | Career starts: 16

Total QBR: 96.0 (First in FBS) | Full stats

Who he is and where he ranks

Surely you know about the 2018 Heisman Trophy winner, right? Murray put up one of the best seasons in college football history in leading Oklahoma to the College Football Playoff, but he might not even play professional football. He was picked in the first round in the MLB draft and got a $4.6 million signing bonus with the Oakland Athletics. The reason Murray is on this list? There's at least a small chance that he tries to play both sports or gives up baseball for football. If he commits to football -- and gives up that guaranteed money from the A's -- McShay believes he will be a first-round pick, while Kiper thinks he'd go on Day 2 in April. Murray is a dynamic dual-threat quarterback, but his true height is an issue for football. Not so much on the baseball diamond.

What the NFL thinks of Murray

"Of all these guys, Kyler Murray is probably the rarest in terms of his talent as a runner, his speed, his athletic ability, and then he can pass, but he is as small as we have ever seen. He is smaller than Russell Wilson, but like Russell, he is smart. You see the baseball player in him -- he gets down, does not take big hits. As the NFL game goes more toward the college game and as the rules limit how defenses can hit, there may be a place for him because he is talented. He is the wild card who could go early, but we just don't know." -- NFL evaluator, as told to ESPN's Mike Sando

What's next?

Now we wait. Murray and the Sooners play top-ranked Alabama for a chance at a national title in the Capital One Orange Bowl on Dec. 29 (8 p.m. ET on ESPN/ESPN app). If they lose, Murray will be asked about his baseball versus football decision once again. But he's going to need to decide soon because the A's report for spring training in February. Murray could enter his name in the NFL draft while joining the A's, see if a team picks him in April and decide then. But would a team select a diminutive quarterback who doesn't go to the combine or work out for scouts ahead of the draft? This is truly an unprecedented situation.

Best of the rest

These quarterbacks are all thought to be likely Day 3 picks, but they could move up before the draft:

265.png?w=110&h=110&transparent=trueGardner Minshew, Washington State

A graduate transfer from East Carolina, Minshew excelled under Mike Leach in 2018, throwing 36 touchdown passes and nine interceptions and finishing fifth in the Heisman race. Minshew has impeccable style, and the fifth-year senior is the No. 9 QB on both Kiper's and McShay's draft boards. Scouts will get a closer look at him at the Senior Bowl in January.

Next up: Washington State plays Iowa State in the Valero Alamo Bowl (Friday at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN/ESPN app).

213.png?w=110&h=110&transparent=trueTrace McSorley, Penn State

McSorley doesn't have great size (6-foot, 200 pounds) or a great arm, but he was one of college football's most productive quarterbacks the past three seasons. McShay wrote in early December that McSorley was his favorite late-round prospect to watch. He'll be among the contingent of QBs at the Senior Bowl, where he'll get his shot to impress against some of the draft's best senior prospects.

Next up: Penn State plays Kentucky in the VRBO Citrus Bowl (Tuesday at 1 p.m. ET on ABC/ESPN app).

77.png?w=110&h=110&transparent=trueClayton Thorson, Northwestern

Since redshirting in 2014, Thorson has started 52 games for the Wildcats. He has the physical tools (6-4, 225 pounds) to be an NFL quarterback, he never put together a consistent season, and he threw 30 touchdown passes and 26 interceptions the past two seasons. Thorson will also be at the Senior Bowl.

Next up: Northwestern plays Utah in the San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl (Monday at 7 p.m. ET on FS1).

Jake Bentley, South Carolina

The true junior has started 31 games for the Gamecocks, but he's still raw as a passer and he could return to school in 2019. Asked about Bentley in November, McShay, who ranks him No. 8 among QBs for this class if he enters the draft, said: "I would love to see him come back for one more year." Bentley has until Jan. 14 to announce his intention.

Next up: South Carolina plays Virginia in the Belk Bowl (Saturday at noon ET on ABC/ESPN app).

 

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On 12/27/2018 at 12:39 PM, sec101row23 said:

Now that Herbert is staying in school, the Daniel Jones hype machine will be in full effect.  Media loves QB draft debates.  

No doubt.  He's going to get sucked up the board simply by the vacuum of top QBs.  All of these guys will be drafted several spots earlier than they should.

Imagine one of the lower Tier 1 guys from last year's class (Allen, Rosen, Lamar) was in this year's Draft.  They'd all go much higher than they did.  I could see someone like Allen or Rosen being the #1 or #2 pick this year as somebody would have traded up to get them.

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What are your thoughts on the likelihood of teams trading up for one of these QBs?

We're obviously at the point where there's no Herbert but Kyler Murray seems to be in the draft mix and there are varying opinions on him.  This QB class is below average compared to previous years, especially last year, but there are some intriguing names and at least 4 guys likely to have 1st Round grades.

The guys with 1st round potential seem to be Haskins, Daniel Jones, Murray and Lock (in no particular order).  I think the Draft positioning of teams behind the Jets is very, VERY interesting.  It sets up well since the top 3 teams all have QBs (Arizona, SF, Jets) but at least 5 in the Top 10 have some degree of WANT or NEED for a new signal caller.  

Regarding the potential of teams to move up to get one of these guys, I see it from two different perspectives...

1. 2016, 2017, 2018 were good (very good) QB draft classes, resulting in 11 new NFL starters in just the past 3 years alone (that's 33% of the League getting new, young QBs).  That's a lot of new supply to the League.  2019 is obviously not as strong, but it gets better again in 2020 so teams may feel less urgency to make a power move higher to draft a QB this year in a weak class.  I could see teams sitting back and letting a QB drop to them unless one or two of these prospects blow up at the Combine and start to look like a potentially obvious franchise QB.

2. At the same time, the past few years have resulted in so much early success (compared to 1st round busts/underperformers at the top of the Draft in years past like EJ Manuel, Bortles, Jake Locker, Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, etc.) that teams may believe young signal callers have a better chance of immediate success than 5 or 10 years ago.  The formula has clearly become Get a good, young, cheap QB on a rookie deal and ride him for 5 years as you spend money everywhere else on the roster. I don't know how long this trend will last but in today's NFL where QBs are protected and WRs seem to be running freely across the middle teams finding a good, young passer no longer need to do as much development to acclimate these guys to the league.  The NFL game is more similar to the college environment from which these guys come from.

My point is simply that while a lot of teams have satisfied their QB needs over the past few drafts the teams that haven't (such as the "changing of the guard" teams like Giants, Steelers, Chargers, etc. + Jacksonville, Raiders, etc.) may believe that drafting a QB isn't as risky as it once was.

A few thoughts on specific teams...

  • Raiders (#4) - Carr is still under contract (but only guaranteed for 2017 and 2018, they can get out of it after 2018) and that roster is not ready to compete.  After shedding Mack and Cooper they're in rebuilding mode.  I think they may ride Carr a little longer and use this draft to replace Mack since there are several pass rushers worthy of the #4 pick.  But getting a rookie to sit behind Carr in 2019 and start in 2020 is very realistic.  Gruden is apparently enamored with Kyler Murray.  The Raiders do have 3 picks in Round 1.  I could see them more likely trading up from #24 than from #4.
  • Buccs (#5) - New coach (Arians) and a QB (Winston) heading into his final contract year.  If Arians really likes one of these QBs he may try to move up but I could see them just sitting there and seeing if someone drops to #5.
  • Giants (#6) - With new contracts for OBJ, a 2nd year Barkley, a good, young TE in Engram the question becomes how long can they wait to get Eli's heir apparent?  The offensive skill positions are primed and ready on the Giants.  Do you let another year go by as OBJ gets older and possibly more injury prone and as Barkley and Engram creep towards becoming more expensive on second contracts?  Or, do the Giants like Lauletta enough to stand pat and not draft a QB (although Lauletta bombed in his one appearance and is currently #3 on the depth chart).  The Giants have no 3rd round pick this year but 2 picks in both rounds 4 and 5.
  • Jacksonville (#7) - The defense is still good there, Fournette seems to be back in the good graces of the organization, etc.  They think they're a playoff team if they have the right QB.  I could see them trying acquire a veteran (Foles, Bridgewater, Flacco) instead of going with a draft pick but who knows.  Jacksonville has two picks in Round 3.
  • Denver (#10) - I think Denver could be the team trying to make a power move.  Case Keenum was signed in FA and, like Winston, only has one year left on his deal.  The Broncos had a very good 2018 draft and have several good, young pieces.  It's Quarterback time!  The real question is whether Elway wants to go back to the well of Free Agency again or if he wants a rookie to put behind Keenum this upcoming season.  I'm not sure I can see the Broncos going big in FA (Bridgewater, Foles, etc.) while having another free agent QB on the roster.  Putting a guy like Haskins or Daniel Jones behind Keenum for a season could be optimal.  But Denver could be another team that believes it can sit at #10 and have one of the Top 4 QBs (Haskins, Jones, Lock, Murray) drop to them.  The Broncos have the following picks this year - 1 (#10 overall), 2, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7.

Last random thought - I think the success of Mayfield and him being taken #1 will be a benefit to Kyler Murray given his height but also because of his incredible college production and his Heisman pedigree.  Yes, Murray is shorter than Mayfield but we now have more recent examples than just Drew Brees and Doug Flutie of guys who can succeed at shorter heights when you look at Mayfield (6'0") and Russell Wilson (5'11").

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I guess what i want to know is--

Why do the teams have to "make a move" for a QB. This group does not qualify as "rare talent" and there's not a lot of need at the top 1. There's almost no reason to think they won't fall to you. You'd have to really really love one of them to get ahead of OAK who may or may not be in the market. 

Just my view on things. No "big trades" for a QB will happen. 

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19 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Last random thought - I think the success of Mayfield and him being taken #1 will be a benefit to Kyler Murray given his height but also because of his incredible college production and his Heisman pedigree.  Yes, Murray is shorter than Mayfield but we now have more recent examples than just Drew Brees and Doug Flutie of guys who can succeed at shorter heights when you look at Mayfield (6'0") and Russell Wilson (5'11").

Mahommes is on the shorter side, came from a similiar type offense and just blew up the NFL. I think the rule  changes in the league and some new faces in coaching ranks will change what a QB is supposed to look like going forward. Bad news for the Hackenbergs of the world, good news for Mayfield, Mahommes and Murrays

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13 minutes ago, CTM said:

Mahommes is on the shorter side, came from a similiar type offense and just blew up the NFL. I think the rule  changes in the league and some new faces in coaching ranks will change what a QB is supposed to look like going forward. Bad news for the Hackenbergs of the world, good news for Mayfield, Mahommes and Murrays

Lol, Mahomes is 6'3

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1 hour ago, King P said:

Lol, Mahomes is 6'3

He's "listed" at 6'3" but his official Combine measured number (versus what the Chiefs list) is 6'2".  But what you're suggesting is correct, Mahomes is not short for a QB.  I'd consider 6'1" or below a truly short QB.

 

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19 hours ago, Paradis said:

I guess what i want to know is--

Why do the teams have to "make a move" for a QB. This group does not qualify as "rare talent" and there's not a lot of need at the top 1. There's almost no reason to think they won't fall to you. You'd have to really really love one of them to get ahead of OAK who may or may not be in the market. 

Just my view on things. No "big trades" for a QB will happen. 

I'd think that only if a team is either A) desperate or B ) one of these guys really blows up well at the Combine, would a team trade up.

To me, the most interesting team is the Raiders with their 3 picks in Round 1.  If I'm the Raiders I might try to get a pass rusher at #4 (or take Haskins if he happens to be there), and then use their later round picks for whichever they didn't get at 4 (either QB or pass rusher) and then address WR with the other pick.  Wouldn't be surprised either if they make a move for Antonio Brown with one of those 1st round picks.

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2 hours ago, CTM said:

Mahommes is on the shorter side, came from a similiar type offense and just blew up the NFL. I think the rule  changes in the league and some new faces in coaching ranks will change what a QB is supposed to look like going forward. Bad news for the Hackenbergs of the world, good news for Mayfield, Mahommes and Murrays

Mahomes is like 6'3 230 lol and is an elite athlete who could have gone pro in 2 sports.  He has an all world talent you cant teach attached to his right shoulder.  He fit the mold more than a Mayfield and much more than a Murray.  

I dont see the ideals of a QB changing anytime soon.  After Mayfield, the next 5 picks were all cut from the typical QB cloth.  Jackson being the exception but he's going to be terrible in the NFL.

 

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

Mahomes is like 6'3 230 lol and is an elite athlete who could have gone pro in 2 sports.  He has an all world talent you cant teach attached to his right shoulder.  He fit the mold more than a Mayfield and much more than a Murray.  

I dont see the ideals of a QB changing anytime soon.  After Mayfield, the next 5 picks were all cut from the typical QB cloth.  Jackson being the exception but he's going to be terrible in the NFL.

 

Mahommes measured 6'2 at combine, is mobile and came from an offense once considered gimmicky. Hes not a prototypical QB by traditional standards 

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1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

I'd think that only if a team is either A) desperate or B ) one of these guys really blows up well at the Combine, would a team trade up.

To me, the most interesting team is the Raiders with their 3 picks in Round 1.  If I'm the Raiders I might try to get a pass rusher at #4 (or take Haskins if he happens to be there), and then use their later round picks for whichever they didn't get at 4 (either QB or pass rusher) and then address WR with the other pick.  Wouldn't be surprised either if they make a move for Antonio Brown with one of those 1st round picks.

If had to pretend to be Gruden/OAK... the only QB i would consider is Murray. I don't think Haskins is guaranteed to be that much of an upgrade over Carr TBH... I'd sooner see Carr through 1 more year, and then push the chips in on Tua or whomever. Gruden's in no rush.

If you take Murray, you're probably not drafting a QB in 2020... I think they have options. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see them trade out of the 1st or back with some of their picks, accumulate capital for 2020. 

This QB class stinks. Like really stinks IMO

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11 minutes ago, Paradis said:

If had to pretend to be Gruden/OAK... the only QB i would consider is Murray. I don't think Haskins is guaranteed to be that much of an upgrade over Carr TBH... I'd sooner see Carr through 1 more year, and then push the chips in on Tua or whomever. Gruden's in no rush.

If you take Murray, you're probably not drafting a QB in 2020... I think they have options. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see them trade out of the 1st or back with some of their picks, accumulate capital for 2020. 

This QB class stinks. Like really stinks IMO

I don't disagree.  We just have to hope that there's some hype, even if it's manufactured, for one or two of these guys post Senior Bowl and Combine.

While it's unfortunate for the Jets trade down possibilities I'll gladly take this situation since we have our QB already.  Could you imagine if this was the year we needed to get the QB, we had the #3 pick and there was no worthy prospect?  THAT would be so Jetsy! lol

I'll gladly "suffer" and stay at #3 to get the best available player.......yes, even if it's defense.

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Another thought....what if all these teams try to use the same plan?  If they all say that we'll wait until 2020 for a better QB class it could really goof some things up for them.  EVERY NFL QB will be yet another year older.  The Packers, Lions and Chargers will start jumping into the market to find their heir apparent QBs, etc.  If the Raiders, Jaguars, Giants, etc. try to put this off much longer they could gamble and lose.

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Does Macc draft a QB day 3? Darnold only QB on the roster (though I expect Webb back), he's drafted three the last four years, and has also pretty much stated he likes the Ron Wolf draft one every year philosophy. Don't know if it's changed since the Darnold pick but I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to take one, see if Gase can develop him, and try to flip him for something if he hits.

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48 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Another thought....what if all these teams try to use the same plan?  If they all say that we'll wait until 2020 for a better QB class it could really goof some things up for them.  EVERY NFL QB will be yet another year older.  The Packers, Lions and Chargers will start jumping into the market to find their heir apparent QBs, etc.  If the Raiders, Jaguars, Giants, etc. try to put this off much longer they could gamble and lose.

Related to your other post - Allbright ASSURED me Lock is going top 10. I can’t help but chuckle. Ridiculous. Someone must have told him tho  

Anyway, yes. There’s only 1 Tua. 1 Herbert and who knows else. And some teams may get some mileage out of Flacco, or Bridgewater or Tannehill... I have no doubt that some of those teams you listed will take a flier on a QB, but I personally think a lot more of that will happen post-Rnd 1 than is presently popularized

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1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

Another thought....what if all these teams try to use the same plan?  If they all say that we'll wait until 2020 for a better QB class it could really goof some things up for them.  EVERY NFL QB will be yet another year older.  The Packers, Lions and Chargers will start jumping into the market to find their heir apparent QBs, etc.  If the Raiders, Jaguars, Giants, etc. try to put this off much longer they could gamble and lose.

If the players aren’t there, the players aren’t there.  Teams aren’t trading up to take fliers on guys, especially at 3.  Late first, early second may have some QB action, but the top 3 isn’t where the action will be this year 

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1 hour ago, CTM said:

Mahommes measured 6'2 at combine, is mobile and came from an offense once considered gimmicky. Hes not a prototypical QB by traditional standards 

So 6'2 225 is not prototype but 6'4 230 is? lol  Those 2 inches...man I tell ya!  

Mahomes is 100% a prototypical QB, he just didnt play in a prototypical system.  His biggest knock was system, conference and a lot plays off script but 90% of his predraft write up were: NFL body, all world arm, can pick you apart in the pocket and buy time outside.  Natural accuracy, former pitcher, can throw from multiple angles, has touch, etc.  You know, the make up of a prototypical QB. 

STRENGTHS

 Possesses NFL body type for work inside and out of the pocket. Has an undeniable swagger and confidence to his game. Accuracy has improved in each season since his freshman year. Naturally accurate in his every day throws. Comfortable challenging defenders in space. Has arm strength and fearlessness to attack the cover-2 voids down the sideline. Can make deep, field side throws. Cranks up velocity to fit passes into tight windows. Former pitcher who propels hips through his release with aggressive torque and never gets cheated on his follow-through. Can deliver strikes from a variety of arm angles. Expedites release on RPOs (run-pass option) or when pressure is mounting in pocket. Puts effort into play-action fakes. Relaxed and effective when throwing on the move. Can be a legitimate dual-threat in a boot-action offense. Improved his eye manipulation over the years and will eyeball linebackers to hold them while patterns unfold around them. Has pocket mobility to escape pressure and the poise to extend plays and find alternate targets. Hands are very strong. Can pump and reset without issues. Competes as a runner and is willing to go the extra mile for the first down.

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