FlagmanL11 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 They are just looking for another career loser they can manhandle at practice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 As we recall, after Woody fired Idzik and Rex, the best choices were Bowles and Quinn. The Jets ended up with Bowles and Quinn went to the Super Bowl. Bowles may not be the next Parcells, but he needed a better organization. He needed better talent and needed a grown up to make him hire a better staff. His natural inclination was to fire threats and protect his friends. That was his ultimate undoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 4 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I love the idea of Kliff Kingbury as OC... But let's be real for a minute. He was the head coach at Texas Tech for six years. In that time he had a winning record twice and never had a winning record in the Big XII... And he had Patrick Mahomes for two of those years! I mean, college is different from the pros and if paired with a good experienced DC maybe it could work. But it's kind of scary that he has so little success as a HC. Most of these college guys at least dominate at the college level -- this guy just got fired from his beloved alma mater because he wasn't getting the job done. I wouldn't completely nix it because he's obviously highly respected as an offensive guru but it's as massive, massive gamble. That's like saying Auburn/Texas A&M /LSU never won the SEC with Alabama in it . The big 12 had OKL, TCU and Baylor winning every year , records of teams in power conferences need to be looked at with a little more scrutiny. Simply saying he never won is lazy at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, johnnysd said: I am vehemently opposed to McCarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 This one is totally perplexing. And evidence that you don't allow the inmates to run the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: That's like saying Auburn/Texas A&M /LSU never won the SEC with Alabama in it . The big 12 had OKL, TCU and Baylor winning every year , records of teams in power conferences need to be looked at with a little more scrutiny. Simply saying he never won is lazy at best. No, it's not like saying that at all. If I had said "Texas Tech never won the Big XII Championship" that would be like saying it, kind of. But what I said was "he never had a winning record in the Big XII" meaning in his most successful seasons he went 4-5 against real teams. In four of his six seasons he only won a third of the games in his conference. I'm not burying him for being 0-6 against Oklahoma. I'm saying being 1-5 against Kansas State is terrible. In fact the reality that he went 35-40 overall in six years needs to be looked at under the lens that Texas Tech plays two cupcake games per year. And heck, if you count Kansas, the conference record is inflated too. His resume as a head coach is bad, frankly. If you believe in him it's because 1) you're completely sold on him as an offensive genius and 2) you believe his failures as a HC are exclusively tied to college (i.e. recruiting.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: No, it's not like saying that at all. If I had said "Texas Tech never won the Big XII Championship" that would be like saying it, kind of. But what I said was "he never had a winning record in the Big XII" meaning in his most successful seasons he went 4-5 against real teams. In four of his six seasons he only won a third of the games in his conference. I'm not burying him for being 0-6 against Oklahoma. I'm saying being 1-5 against Kansas State is terrible. In fact the reality that he went 35-40 overall in six years needs to be looked at under the lens that Texas Tech plays two cupcake games per year. And heck, if you count Kansas, the conference record is inflated too. His resume as a head coach is bad, frankly. If you believe in him it's because 1) you're completely sold on him as an offensive genius and 2) you believe his failures as a HC are exclusively tied to college (i.e. recruiting.) Your basing that off of what Kansas State is now, when Kingsbury's Tech teams played them KSU was a much better team. Kingsbury not winning against Okl is not the indictment that Harbaugh not winning against OSU is. When your an inferior school in a Power 5 conference, looking at records is a mistake. Also Texas is a hard state to recruit in with Texas, A&M and Okla and even Baylor poaching a lot of the talent. I believe in him because he is a progressive mind when it comes to offense , something the Jets have been averse to for like 2 decades now as they've always hired DC's with a penchant for the leather helmet football era . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: Your basing that off of what Kansas State is now, when Kingsbury's Tech teams played them KSU was a much better team. Kingsbury not winning against Okl is not the indictment that Harbaugh not winning against OSU is. When your an inferior school in a Power 5 conference, looking at records is a mistake. Also Texas is a hard state to recruit in with Texas, A&M and Okla and even Baylor poaching a lot of the talent. I believe in him because he is a progressive mind when it comes to offense , something the Jets have been averse to for like 2 decades now as they've always hired DC's with a penchant for the leather helmet football era . I mean, believe what you want to believe. In my opinion, the only schools in the Big XII to whom Texas Tech is at a significant disadvantage are Oklahoma and Texas, who are blue bloods. Heck, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State -- most of these schools are historically beneath Texas Tech. Look at what Mike Leach did at Texas Tech if you want to see what a good coach can accomplish there. For a good coach at Texas Tech, 4-5 in the Big XII is a down year. You're hoping for 7-2 type seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I mean, believe what you want to believe. In my opinion, the only schools in the Big XII to whom Texas Tech is at a significant disadvantage are Oklahoma and Texas, who are blue bloods. Heck, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State -- most of these schools are historically beneath Texas Tech. Look at what Mike Leach did at Texas Tech if you want to see what a good coach can accomplish there. For a good coach at Texas Tech, 4-5 in the Big XII is a down year. You're hoping for 7-2 type seasons. Door swings both ways. Mahomes was statistically a loser at Texas tech and is now number 1 QB in the universe. Different measurements of success in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I’m gonna bang the Kingsbury drum into hiring existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: I’m gonna bang the Kingsbury drum into hiring existence. Pretty impressive in that video. I have been really impressed with video I have seen of Ruhle and Waldron too, they seem to have the right personality for the younger players, though Waldron unfortunately does not seem to be on the radar like early reports suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Lego My Lageman said: Nope Nope Nope, another fun coach. Looks like a total D bag as well and not in the authoritative way we might need. I’m with you. I need an authoritarian in here. Nyc is too tempting. We need a dude that’s going to instill discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Jetmech said: Yeah he did. I'm not a Jamal fan but he is a good listen. Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk You're not a Jamal fan? I... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: Pretty impressive in that video. I have been really impressed with video I have seen of Ruhle and Waldron too, they seem to have the right personality for the younger players, though Waldron unfortunately does not seem to be on the radar like early reports suggested. He seems like he understands offense and he is detailed oriented. It would never work for him here lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 You're not a Jamal fan? I...No, but I don't dislike him. I guess indifferent would be correct.Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Savage69 said: I go back years with Tinstar who is a Black man in his 60's.. I wonder if Max knows that?? Well, It would seem that puts his comments in a completely different context. If only he’d prefaced them with something like, “after all the stuff said about Bowles....” it should never have been put out there the way it was though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 hours ago, Scoop24 said: He really rocked that interview. Basically told Mac roll the dice don’t play it safe I agree with Jamal that Macc would be making a huge mistake by playing it safe and picking the best available whatever. It’s how you get stuck with absolute trash on the payroll while people who draft after your pick end up with good players. I mean coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I agree with Jamal that Macc would be making a huge mistake by playing it safe and picking the best available whatever it’s how you get stuck with absolute trash on the payroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 4:51 AM, jack48 said: this is why you do not listen to players. they all thought Bowles was great nobody thought Bowles was great ....Did you expect the players to come out and say our HC Sucks while he was still coaching here ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 20 hours ago, Pac said: Something tells me this guy would be a disaster. Other than the team we root for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: nobody thought Bowles was great ....Did you expect the players to come out and say our HC Sucks while he was still coaching here ?? there is always the option of saying nothing or not calling him "a great coach." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 13 hours ago, Paradis said: Door swings both ways. Mahomes was statistically a loser at Texas tech and is now number 1 QB in the universe. Different measurements of success in college. Well Mahomes and his offense were all world statistically. They lost because they had no defense. As head coach Kingsbury is responsible for both the offense and the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetball52 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If I am a player and liked a candidate for coach I would personally tell the owner.By putting it out there you are hurting the persons chances of being hired.You think the owner is saying to himself all these players like him I should hire him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS jets Fan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/2/2019 at 5:30 AM, ScarletKnight89 said: I would have no problem if the Jets hired Kingsbury and he brought the air raid offense to New York. That would be something totally different. CHIP KELLEY RING A BELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: Well Mahomes and his offense were all world statistically. They lost because they had no defense. As head coach Kingsbury is responsible for both the offense and the defense. No, i don't agree. Nobody in the big12 can play defense. It wasn't simple as Pat scored 48 and the opposition scored 49... I'm propping up KK on a mantle yet, but just saying - it's not as black and white as you illustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Kliff Kingsbury has thrown 2 NFL passes, both for the Jets. He has a career 50% completion rate and has thrown for 17 career yards. He's the man for our Jets!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 11:33 AM, MS jets Fan said: CHIP KELLEY RING A BELL. lowercase font ring a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 8:14 AM, jack48 said: there is always the option of saying nothing or not calling him "a great coach." There is always the option of not reading or listening to what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MS jets Fan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: lowercase font ring a bell. I'M NOT YELLIN I'M SPELLIN. LIGHTEN UP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: There is always the option of not reading or listening to what he says. It is a bad look for the team when one of their players chirps about possible coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 54 minutes ago, jack48 said: It is a bad look for the team when one of their players chirps about possible coaches This really comes down to how the team/management handle their players in regards to social media. The world has changed and social media is ingrained in many of today's younger athletes. If the team doesn't want or allow this they need to set the rules and enforce them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said: This really comes down to how the team/management handle their players in regards to social media. The world has changed and social media is ingrained in many of today's younger athletes. If the team doesn't want or allow this they need to set the rules and enforce them. I agree with you. But it is still a bad look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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