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Who is the best quarterback of all time?

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    • Otto Graham
      4
    • Johnny Unitas
      2
    • Bart Starr
      1
    • Joe Montana
      47
    • Brett Favre
      2
    • Peyton Manning
      24
    • Cindy Brady
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    • Drew Brees
      4
    • Steve Young
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    • Arnie Herber
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    • Aaron Rodgers
      5
    • John Elway
      1


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7 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

Montana, especially when you take into consideration how pampered the WR's and QBs are now.  So for me it's Montana then Brady* and Manning*. 

footnote: *=pampered  

Montana was also a system guy.  Walsh had a lot to do with Montana.  But he did make plays outside the pocket when necessary

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Joe Namath had the greatest natural ability I've ever seen.  Combination of injuries and bad teams hurt him.  Also can't compare QBs from that era to today it's such a different game.  Much easier to have great stats in today's game.

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4 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I don't know his pass run ratio but I looked him up and his career record was 114-20-4! OMG!!

he also did game commentary in the 60s, I believe

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10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No QB did more with less than Brady. He’s the clear cut GOAT.

I don’t like it. But answering anyone else is just silly. It’s not close.

Being the Devil's advocate. Is he doing more with less, or is he a system QB? Seriously, even when he has not played due to injury, his replacement has been just about as good as he is.

Case in point. The Brady replacement with the largest one season sample is Matt Cassel in 2008 who led the team to an 11-5 record (officially it is 10-5 but he entered game 1 after Brady's injury with the game at 0-0, so that his Cassel's win).

Cassel's stats: 327/516;  63.4%;  3693 yards;  21 td;  11 int. Pats had 8th scoring O and 5th O in yards.

In 2009 Brady led the Pats to a 10-6 record. One less win than Cassell.

Brady's stats: 371/565;  65.7%; 4398; 28 td; 13 int.  Pats had 6th scoring O and 3rd O in yards.

Cassel had a slightly better record. Brady had better stats, but not by a very wide margin.

Cassel left the Pats and proved to be a rather pedestrian QB leading his teams to a record of 26-40 and completing 57.7% of his passes.

So, there you have it. Tom Brady is a system QB.  

 

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36 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Being the Devil's advocate. Is he doing more with less, or is he a system QB? Seriously, even when he has not played due to injury, his replacement has been just about as good as he is.

Case in point. The Brady replacement with the largest one season sample is Matt Cassel in 2008 who led the team to an 11-5 record (officially it is 10-5 but he entered game 1 after Brady's injury with the game at 0-0, so that his Cassel's win).

Cassel's stats: 327/516;  63.4%;  3693 yards;  21 td;  11 int. Pats had 8th scoring O and 5th O in yards.

In 2009 Brady led the Pats to a 10-6 record. One less win than Cassell.

Brady's stats: 371/565;  65.7%; 4398; 28 td; 13 int.  Pats had 6th scoring O and 3rd O in yards.

Cassel had a slightly better record. Brady had better stats, but not by a very wide margin.

Cassel left the Pats and proved to be a rather pedestrian QB leading his teams to a record of 26-40 and completing 57.7% of his passes.

So, there you have it. Tom Brady is a system QB.  

 

The comparison is 2007  to 2008 not 2008 to 2009 as moss was in decline and Brady was coming off a major injury.  do 2007 to 2008 then get back to me.

NE lost FIVE more games in 2008 than 2007 with a much easier schedule and missed the playoffs.  Cassell would lead KC to a division title 2 yrs later.

Bill Belichick is well under .500 in 7 seasons without Brady, has 5 losing seasons and just over WC app.

Brady is the best of all time, it's not close

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54 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Montana's greatest asset was his ability to perform under pressure.

That is what separates guys like Montana and Brady from guys like Peyton and favre.  

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1 hour ago, Sonny Werblin said:

Being the Devil's advocate. Is he doing more with less, or is he a system QB? Seriously, even when he has not played due to injury, his replacement has been just about as good as he is.

Case in point. The Brady replacement with the largest one season sample is Matt Cassel in 2008 who led the team to an 11-5 record (officially it is 10-5 but he entered game 1 after Brady's injury with the game at 0-0, so that his Cassel's win).

Cassel's stats: 327/516;  63.4%;  3693 yards;  21 td;  11 int. Pats had 8th scoring O and 5th O in yards.

In 2009 Brady led the Pats to a 10-6 record. One less win than Cassell.

Brady's stats: 371/565;  65.7%; 4398; 28 td; 13 int.  Pats had 6th scoring O and 3rd O in yards.

Cassel had a slightly better record. Brady had better stats, but not by a very wide margin.

Cassel left the Pats and proved to be a rather pedestrian QB leading his teams to a record of 26-40 and completing 57.7% of his passes.

So, there you have it. Tom Brady is a system QB.  

 

How did Steve Young do after Joe Montana left?  Clearly, Joe Montana, system QB.

The entire term "system QB" is stupid, frankly.  You either produce and win or you do not.  If you do, you are good.  If you do not, you are not.

"System QB" is just a ineffective attempt to dismiss QB's certain people don't like more than a legitimate evaluation criteria.  Vis a vis, was there some way Brady could have NOT played in the "system" of the team he played for?  No?  Do other QB's not play in systems?  Then I fail to see the relevance.  Did his one-year replacement win the Super Bowl?  No?  Yeah.  This is more a "who gets credit, the QB or the Coach" question, which is so chicken and egg, so Waters and Gilmour, so McCartney and Lennon, it's just not worth engaging in.

Sadly, this question will forever be befouled and worthless on a Jets forum because Jets fans cannot overcome their bias to see things as they are.  There is no question who the best QB of all time is.  Oldsters may still make a play for Montana (he was great!) or Elway (also great) or Marino (stats!), Manning, etc. and complain about rules changes, but there is no real debate on this elsewhere IMO.   

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2 hours ago, JetsFanatic said:

Joe Namath had the greatest natural ability I've ever seen.  Combination of injuries and bad teams hurt him.  Also can't compare QBs from that era to today it's such a different game.  Much easier to have great stats in today's game.

Will say if in some crazy world you trade Namath for Bradshaw in 1971, He might have had 5 or 6 more rings. early 1970s Jets were usually terrible and Namath paid the price for a bad OL. And consider they traded away a HoF running back, Riggins,  for nothing. 

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4 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Will say if in some crazy world you trade Namath for Bradshaw in 1971, He might have had 5 or 6 more rings. early 1970s Jets were usually terrible and Namath paid the price for a bad OL. And consider they traded away a HoF running back, Riggins,  for nothing. 

Give me one QB in his prime to win a big game,  healthy (and sober), I’ll take Namath hands down over any QB. Namath had incredible vision, could move in the pocket, could make any throw, was a great leader and revered by his teammates, called his own plays, had wheels once upon a time, and of course, had a rocket arm and probably the quickest release ever. 

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

How did Steve Young do after Joe Montana left?  Clearly, Joe Montana, system QB.

The entire term "system QB" is stupid, frankly.  You either produce and win or you do not.  If you do, you are good.  If you do not, you are not.

"System QB" is just a ineffective attempt to dismiss QB's certain people don't like more than a legitimate evaluation criteria.  Vis a vis, was there some way Brady could have NOT played in the "system" of the team he played for?  No?  Do other QB's not play in systems?  Then I fail to see the relevance.  Did his one-year replacement win the Super Bowl?  No?  Yeah.  This is more a "who gets credit, the QB or the Coach" question, which is so chicken and egg, so Waters and Gilmour, so McCartney and Lennon, it's just not worth engaging in.

Sadly, this question will forever be befouled and worthless on a Jets forum because Jets fans cannot overcome their bias to see things as they are.  There is no question who the best QB of all time is.  Oldsters may still make a play for Montana (he was great!) or Elway (also great) or Marino (stats!), Manning, etc. and complain about rules changes, but there is no real debate on this elsewhere IMO.   

C'mon, it's Gilmour... 

 

As for this thread, how is it even a discussion? I hate the Pats, but saying anyone other than Brady is just being dishonest. 

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12 minutes ago, BigO said:

Give me one QB in his prime to win a big game,  healthy (and sober), I’ll take Namath hands down over any QB. Namath had incredible vision, could move in the pocket, could make any throw, was a great leader and revered by his teammates, called his own plays, had wheels once upon a time, and of course, had a rocket arm and probably the quickest release ever. 

OMG No! Namath blew many big games by throwing risky passes that became turnovers and pick 6s in games where the Jets were the better team and had the lead in the second half. The only big game he ever played where he put his ego in the back seat was the SB win. 

And he was neither a great leader nor revered by his teammates. Many of his teammates hated his guts because they had a great D and a great running game and Namath was pissing away wins on Sundays by needlessly attempting risky throws after wandering into the stadium 30 minutes before kickoff having not slept the night before.

Those Jet teams were set up to win multiple championships. Namath prevented it from happening.

Namath was more like Bret Favre and Jeff George (a talented thrower of the ball) than the other QBs on that list. 

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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

The comparison is 2007  to 2008 not 2008 to 2009 as moss was in decline and Brady was coming off a major injury.  do 2007 to 2008 then get back to me.

NE lost FIVE more games in 2008 than 2007 with a much easier schedule and missed the playoffs.  Cassell would lead KC to a division title 2 yrs later.

Bill Belichick is well under .500 in 7 seasons without Brady, has 5 losing seasons and just over WC app.

Brady is the best of all time, it's not close

Cassell had a great OL, Moss, Welker and Mangini playing the preven on almost every passing down.  There was no “system”

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Some of these guys are too old for me, but my thoughts:

John Elway should be on here. Tom Brady is the winningest of all time. Aaron Rodgers is the most talented of all time. Joe Montana is the most clutch of all time. Drew Brees is the most accurate of all time. Brett Favre is the most fun player to watch of all time. Steve Young and I share a hometown, and his mom is extremely sweet, and until ARod came along, had the highest career rating of all time. Dan Marino is the best passer of all time.

Loved watching all of these guys play (except the only guy on here who was formally reprimanded for cheating), but the best QB of all time belongs to one guy: Peyton.

He’s the only QB who has multiple rings, all of the records, all of the off-field work ethic, and the only QB who can definitively be described as system-proof.

- He broke the biggest single season passing records. Twice. And accomplished this under two different coaching staffs on two different franchises

- He took 4 different coaches to a super bowl including the likes of Jim freaking Caldwell and John freaking Fox. 

- He is the only player to ever win a super bowl as a starting QB for 2 franchises.

- He didn’t have the benefit of playing under a transcendent coach like Bill Walsh or Bill Belichick.

- He is the only QB to take the full weight of his contract and still go to/win multiple SBs. This is a huge deal that no one talks about. Brady circumvents the cap which allows his team to acquire/keep talent across the team. Aside from him, no one has even reached a second Super Bowl after they got their huge contract. Not Brees, not Big Ben, not Aaron Rodgers. Their teams become strapped. Peyton continually took the most money of any QB in the league, and still reached 4 Super Bowls. That’s nutty.

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Many greats in their own way and time the played, Unitas and Montana come to mind depends on definition. Brady has played in the weakest division his entire career, 1 and 4 against the NFCE should be 0-4 if it weren't for Mcpuke.

 

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15 hours ago, Untouchable said:

Montana 

There’s no one I would trust more to march my team 80+ yards down field, down by 4, with 2 minutes left.

Not Brady. Not Elway. Nobody.

Joe Cool

Imagine if he played under today's rules. His longevity would have been greatly enhanced. I never saw a more calm, deadly qb. 

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