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1. who cares what other teams did or did not want

2. The browns wanted McCarthy but they also wanted to keep Kitchens.  He said no

3.  McCarthy knows Sam is for real.  Is it shocking he’d rather coach Sam the next great qb instead of some piece of crap?

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45 minutes ago, JetsYanks13 said:


Once again, WINS ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT MATTER. This is why Bowles is not the coach because he did not win or else he would still be here. How did McCarthy win then if he was poor at all the items you mentioned?

1. Your judging McCarthy on 12 games without Rodgers is Pathetic.
2. Your posting another GB fans opinions about McCarthy is lame. There are several fans on here who have opinions on Gase which means nothing.
3. How did McCarthy win a Super Bowl?
4. What makes Gase better than McCarthy?
5. Factual: McCarthy had a higher winning percentage than all but 3 HC from 2018. This is not opinion, but fact. WHY?
6. Would you hire Gase or Payton, Reid, Pederson? McCarthy has a higher winning percentage than all of them.

Don’t avoid my questions, answer them. Also, Andy Reid was 4-12 and 8-8 with philly before going to KC. I’m sure you wouldn’t of hired him either.



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1. Wins are NOT the only things that matter

2. In answer to all else, Aaron Rodgers, weak division and decent drafting. I believe that McCarthy had an overall negative effect to games won.

Also, 12 games is almost an entire season.

Your entire premise is idiotic even if you put it in all caps.

 

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1. Wins are NOT the only things that matter
2. In answer to all else, Aaron Rodgers, weak division and decent drafting. I believe that McCarthy had an overall negative effect to games won.
Also, 12 games is almost an entire season.
Your entire premise is idiotic even if you put it in all caps.
 

1. Wins are the only things that matters from a HC. Let me fill you in on something: Wins= Division Championships and or Playoffs=Potential Super Bowl Appearance and victory. This is the point of the game. To win the Super Bowl. BTW, McCarthy has one of those and Gase has 0.

2. Negative effect on games won makes no sense what so ever. I wish the Jets coach had such a negative impact to win 9 division titles and a super bowl. Also, the AFC east has arguably been the weakest division in the NFL the last bunch of years while the Pats dominate. Does this mean Belichek gets no credit?

3. I’m actually impressed he won that many games without Rodgers. Brett Hundly sucks and couldn’t even start for a top 4 NCAA team.

4. You managed to dodge my questions because you are unable to answer them with factual information.

5. I refuse to stoop down to your pathetic level of name calling. I have too much respect for myself to go there.

6. Your thread topic is incorrect, tons of Jets fans as myself wanted McCarthy as HC of the NYJ. I’m not explaining again why cause your wearing the Gase blinders.

7. Who were Gase’s assistants? What kind of offense does he run? What makes Gase a better HC than McCarthy? Go google the answers and get back to me. You have avoided many of my questions thus far.

8. I’m rooting for Gase to be 10 times the coach McCarthy ever was because he coaches the team I root for, but the facts clearly point out that the Jets probably made the wrong hire.


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Heres one more tidbit If Gase is such a great genius why didnt Elway go after him lets see all the anti Mcarthy pro Gase people answer that one. I mean Elway knows him well why not snatch him up before the Jets could sign him. Not even his former boss wanted him but no ones talking about that 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, JetsYanks13 said:


Once again, WINS ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT MATTER. This is why Bowles is not the coach because he did not win or else he would still be here. How did McCarthy win then if he was poor at all the items you mentioned?

1. Your judging McCarthy on 12 games without Rodgers is Pathetic.
2. Your posting another GB fans opinions about McCarthy is lame. There are several fans on here who have opinions on Gase which means nothing.
3. How did McCarthy win a Super Bowl?
4. What makes Gase better than McCarthy?
5. Factual: McCarthy had a higher winning percentage than all but 3 HC from 2018. This is not opinion, but fact. WHY?
6. Would you hire Gase or Payton, Reid, Pederson? McCarthy has a higher winning percentage than all of them.

Don’t avoid my questions, answer them. Also, Andy Reid was 4-12 and 8-8 with philly before going to KC. I’m sure you wouldn’t of hired him either.



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JOHN FOX WAS 46-18 IN DENVER

GOOD HIRE, BEARS

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6 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Continuously throwing up McCarthys record as the reason he is a good coach while not allowing for the fact that he has had 2 HOF (not Pro Bowl, not All Pro but HOF) QBs playing for him.

Here is the McCarthy reality. McCarthy was successful because of Favre and Rodgers not the other way around. Rodgers mechanical issues would have been fixed by ANY QB coach in the NFL. McCarthy is an antiquated out of touch loser head coach. He will destroy the next team he coaches for, IF and it is a gigantic IF (because NFL teams recognize what he is), IF he ever coaches again.

No one has ever told me anything that this guy is good at other than W-L

This makes me laugh. The absolute way you reply. You are wrong on several different levels I give you facts and you reply with crap.   Here is the reality Hase has a loosing record and has not developed a winning web or record. I notoces someone mention Fox and Bears and how bad  it was.  Who did he bring with him that’s right Adam Gase. 

The reality is this is a questionable hire at best he wins at worst he flames out. 

As as far as the McCarthy bashing it is laugh in itself. The posts here where they say he was not wanted is a joke as well.

i hope the hire works but chances are it is going to go poorly because he has not developed a young successfully save me the Tamnehill argument if he was injured and that is why his records is under 500 or was he developed. A developed player plays and injuries are part of the game

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16 minutes ago, rammagen said:

And  Gase was with him. Can’t play it both ways buddy

Did I mention Gase? He also was only there for the first year in Chicago, where they won two less games than the next two years combined.

And I'm not your buddy, guy.

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23 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Ryan Tannehill (Who missed the last three regular season games as well as the wild card game)  vs. Aaron Rodgers.

Context doesn't lie. 

 

The context is McCaethy helped developed AR that is fact and should be put into context. Could Rodgers have been great with another coach we don’t know for sure do we. But we do know McCarty and AR were linked for years as working with each other 

 

4 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Yep the ONLY argument is his record which ignores the talent he had to deal with. Like I said I ask people to say something that is good about him other than his record and the only response is his record  Holy fudge. McCarthy is bad at almost every level of head coaching but is bailed out by Rodgers. He is stubborn, ultra conservative, not open to change, terrible in game manager, hires terrible assistants. But yeah lets ignore all that.

Oh and if record is the only thing that matters lets look at how McCarthy does without Rodgers.

Here is a great, pretty prescient post by a GB fan. 3-8-1. He sucks without Rodgers. But you ignore that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/7emejc/mccarthy_without_rodgers_vs_other_great_coaches/

 

 

 

Then you did read the post where it was he said he helped devlope AR and worked with Fabre. But your right the coach with the win record sucks. 

This why The Jets will be stuck in a cycle of wash rinse repeat with coaches till they get lucky.

 

i hope Gase does well but for people to ignore basic facts or find reasons to trash the other coach is laughable.i provides all the facts and get back crap for an argument for Gase . When you can’t provide facts that can’t be questioned then you have to wonder about the hire

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JOHN FOX WAS 46-18 IN DENVER
GOOD HIRE, BEARS

8-8 his first season without Manning. Then had 3 winning seasons when he inherited him. Did not win a Super Bowl, but got there. He was an above average coach at the time. My friends a Bears fan and was excited about the hire. Didn’t work out for him which happens. Also, he brought Gase with him who accomplished nothing in Chicago. And if Peyton needed Gase so badly, then why was he let go from the Broncos. Peyton Manning gets what he wants and if he wanted Gase, then he would have stayed there.


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Also, John Fox lifetime HC record was 133-123. Not bad, but McCarthy blows him away at 125-77 with a super bowl win. If your going to give fox credit for his record with the Broncos, then you have to give McCarthy credit for his record. You can’t pick and choose.


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50 minutes ago, rammagen said:

The context is McCaethy helped developed AR that is fact and should be put into context. Could Rodgers have been great with another coach we don’t know for sure do we. But we do know McCarty and AR were linked for years as working with each other 

Unfortunately, that is entirely irrelevant to my comment. 

You wrote a post comparing the performance of McCarthy/Rodgers in 2016 to Gase/Tannehill in 2016 and I responded accordingly. 

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7 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Unfortunately, that is entirely irrelevant to my comment. 

You wrote a post comparing the performance of McCarthy/Rodgers in 2016 to Gase/Tannehill in 2016 and I responded accordingly. 

please re-read my post that is not what I wrote in this thread, it is below  I said you ether take the entire record into consideration or you don't you cant have it both ways I never mentioned 2016 in the below........You cant say tannehill improved then say he missed 24 games because you have to be on the field. Like I said it is below and I never mentioned 2016 so you have me confused with someone else or misread what I wrote

 

I am sorry this has people divided but this is stupid because when comparing McCarthy to Gase there should be no conversation one is proven winning coach the other has a loosing record.

Like it or not I have had this conversation a few time citing records the whole record and qb that were developed. Gase has yet to take a young qb to a probowl level, of the 2 young qbs the options are Tebow(who is out of the league) and Tannehill and with the injuries so many poeple are quick to cite is a question mark, he worked with Manning who had a great yr but was already a hall of famer and won a superbowl without Gace and Cutler who improved his turnover from 17  to 11.

 

Where as McCarthy worked with one young qb and turned him into a probowler/ possible hall of famer and super bowl winner, could he have have won more yes but as Gase fans like to make excuses there are in place for McCarthy as well.

We should not be taken 3 yr portions of records  just the entire record to try to justify why is a questionable hire allot of people are questioning that. When you have to explain and justify why you passed someone over there is always room for question marks.

 

The rumor was out that McCarthy turned down the cards after they offered him full control we may never know but to disregard it is stupid. Because we dont know you have to assume at least a portion of that story is correct.

People are willing to give the Jets the benefit of the doubt but I think they are running out of chances to get this right and when they had a chance to get a proven winning whether people like it or not McCarthy has a better record.  A coach who could bring instant credibility to the team they hire a head coach with a loosing record. That is why people are questioning the move.

I am tired of people taken a 3 yr portion of McCarthy then Gases three yrs say they are the same and the reason is Gase had an injured qb. The NFL still played those games and they counted. The sole winning record he had  was with the weakest schedule in the league.

Take both coaches whole record or throw it out for both coaches. Take everything in perspective take off the fan glasses and look at this analytically and balance it out ads see who is the bigger question mark.  For a team that does need more questions but needs solid answers that is why I think it is the wrong move. Couple that with the fact the new coach is supposedly and ahole this has the makings of a complete disaster.

read the below it is pretty fair really brings up some facts about why the qbs brought up their ratings how he handled the players and the writer thinks he will be a good coach but questions the facts

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-kelly-column-20190110-story.html#done

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14 minutes ago, rammagen said:

please re-read my post that is not what I wrote in this thread, it is below  I said you ether take the entire record into consideration or you don't you cant have it both ways I never mentioned 2016 in the below........

That's fine, but in the specific post that I replied to, you were exclusively referencing 2016.  

 

Carry on

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54 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

That's fine, but in the specific post that I replied to, you were exclusively referencing 2016.  

 

Carry on

no I wasn't in the first reply I gave you may have been stuck on 2016 but I was referring to everything the entirety of the coaching records please see the below because I have no idea where you get me and 2016 linked together. There is no dates or yrs I am referring too

see below.......

On 1/12/2019 at 7:20 PM, slimjasi said:

Ryan Tannehill (Who missed the last three regular season games as well as the wild card game)  vs. Aaron Rodgers.

Context doesn't lie. 

 

The context is McCaethy helped developed AR that is fact and should be put into context. Could Rodgers have been great with another coach we don’t know for sure do we. But we do know McCarty and AR were linked for years as working with each other 

(No yrs or dates mentioned)

 

6 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Yep the ONLY argument is his record which ignores the talent he had to deal with. Like I said I ask people to say something that is good about him other than his record and the only response is his record  Holy fudge. McCarthy is bad at almost every level of head coaching but is bailed out by Rodgers. He is stubborn, ultra conservative, not open to change, terrible in game manager, hires terrible assistants. But yeah lets ignore all that.

Oh and if record is the only thing that matters lets look at how McCarthy does without Rodgers.

Here is a great, pretty prescient post by a GB fan. 3-8-1. He sucks without Rodgers. But you ignore that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/7emejc/mccarthy_without_rodgers_vs_other_great_coaches/

 

 

 

Then you did read the post where it was he said he helped devlope AR and worked with Fabre. But your right the coach with the win record sucks. 

This why The Jets will be stuck in a cycle of wash rinse repeat with coaches till they get lucky.

 

i hope Gase does well but for people to ignore basic facts or find reasons to trash the other coach is laughable.i provide all the facts and get back crap for an argument for Gase . When you can’t provide facts that can’t be questioned then you have to wonder about the hire

 

(No yrs or dates mentioned here either so what are you referring to me and 2016 for this is why having any type of serious conversation about this is so hard you are referring to something I did not mention in either of my posts)

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7 minutes ago, rammagen said:

no I wasn't in the first reply I gave you may have been stuck on 2016 but I was referring to everything the entirety of the coaching records please see the below because I have no idea where you get me and 2016 linked together. There is no dates or yrs I am referring too

see below.......

Bruh, in the post I replied to, you posted a link to the team/player statistics of he 2016 Miami Dolphins. LMAO

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57 minutes ago, BleedGreen92 said:

Beningo is a complete sh*tbird so I like that we did the exact opposite of what he wanted 

Ha! A damn good reason at that. And his side kick/bitch Roberts.

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Also, John Fox lifetime HC record was 133-123. Not bad, but McCarthy blows him away at 125-77 with a super bowl win. If your going to give fox credit for his record with the Broncos, then you have to give McCarthy credit for his record. You can’t pick and choose.


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See, I’m not giving Fox credit. That’s my entire point, which sailed over your head.

HOF QBs are nice to have. They can make a coach’s record deceiving.

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