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It sounds like the Jets have come under the impression that they gave Bowles too much free reign, and totally allowed him to pick and maintain his own staff without checks and balances. And, they do not want to repeat that presumed mistake, particularly with Darnold as a commodity.

You can also surmise that they feel talent was not developed under the staff, or that Macc sold that to ownership.

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13 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

That’s exactly what he’s telling you. I’m not even going to get into this with em’. He’s clearly arguing with emotion behind his words and that’s just going to make things ugly. It always does. 

Ugly like Mike McCarthy's stupid face.

Boom. Roasted.

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1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Amazing.

Once again, Macc is the problem and Macc winds up with his second (or third tbqh) choice and tries to make it look like it was the plan all along.

McCarthy balked because Macc is a bad GM, a bad GM who wanted to control who McCarthy, a 13 year NFL Head Coach and Super Bowl winner, wanted on his staff.  What an amazingly poorly handled minor league move by Macc, trying to micromanage the staff like that for a guy with 100x times the resume Macc has.  And a sure indication that Macc would give McCarthy problems with the roster and talent too.

Macc then blows the deal with Rhule, same issue.  At least in this case a bit more justified, although if you're hard after a college coach with no real pro resume, because you know, youth and college offenses or something, why balk at college assistant coaches too?

So, we wind up with Gase, the contestant behind door #3.  Is what it is, and we'll all have to root for him (and getting Gregg Williams is a nice consolation prize if it happens), but once again (like with Cousins) it looks like Macc is a complete failure at closing the deal and getting the best, first choices for our Jets.  Maybe it'll work out, but damn, does Macc mange via failure or what?

wrong.

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I wanted McCarthy, but didn’t Macadoo make some pretty harsh comments about Darnold? Am I wrong about that?

If mccarthy wanted to bring him in, we should have reservations about that.

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1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

I wanted McCarthy, but didn’t Macadoo make some pretty harsh comments about Darnold? Am I wrong about that?

If mccarthy wanted to bring him in, we should have reservations about that.

Sam I want you to meet your new QB coach:

 

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4 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Amazing.

Once again, Macc is the problem and Macc winds up with his second (or third tbqh) choice and tries to make it look like it was the plan all along.

McCarthy balked because Macc is a bad GM, a bad GM who wanted to control who McCarthy, a 13 year NFL Head Coach and Super Bowl winner, wanted on his staff.  What an amazingly poorly handled minor league move by Macc, trying to micromanage the staff like that for a guy with 100x times the resume Macc has.  And a sure indication that Macc would give McCarthy problems with the roster and talent too.

Macc then blows the deal with Rhule, same issue.  At least in this case a bit more justified, although if you're hard after a college coach with no real pro resume, because you know, youth and college offenses or something, why balk at college assistant coaches too?

So, we wind up with Gase, the contestant behind door #3.  Is what it is, and we'll all have to root for him (and getting Gregg Williams is a nice consolation prize if it happens), but once again (like with Cousins) it looks like Macc is a complete failure at closing the deal and getting the best, first choices for our Jets.  Maybe it'll work out, but damn, does Macc mange via failure or what?

Why is everyone assuming Mac has this much influence over a hire that won’t report to him? I mean, maybe he does, but it seems odd that MAC would have so much influence over someone who will report to his boss. And if Mac did have this much say, seems odd he would pick Gase who undoubtedly will throw him under the bus in 2 seconds flat the minute things don’t go well

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6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Amazing.

Once again, Macc is the problem and Macc winds up with his second (or third tbqh) choice and tries to make it look like it was the plan all along.

McCarthy balked because Macc is a bad GM, a bad GM who wanted to control who McCarthy, a 13 year NFL Head Coach and Super Bowl winner, wanted on his staff.  What an amazingly poorly handled minor league move by Macc, trying to micromanage the staff like that for a guy with 100x times the resume Macc has.  And a sure indication that Macc would give McCarthy problems with the roster and talent too.

Macc then blows the deal with Rhule, same issue.  At least in this case a bit more justified, although if you're hard after a college coach with no real pro resume, because you know, youth and college offenses or something, why balk at college assistant coaches too?

So, we wind up with Gase, the contestant behind door #3.  Is what it is, and we'll all have to root for him (and getting Gregg Williams is a nice consolation prize if it happens), but once again (like with Cousins) it looks like Macc is a complete failure at closing the deal and getting the best, first choices for our Jets.  Maybe it'll work out, but damn, does Macc mange via failure or what?

Woody Johnson is the problem. 

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31 minutes ago, Vader said:

after going through the Jets and NY media’s Kremlinish Propaganda Machine he actually needs a PR firm 

Yeah, now how do you excuse off the same things being said out of the national media?

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah, now how do you excuse off the same things being said out of the national media?

Everything that’s come out of the national media has been funneled through CAA.

No one with a straight face can sell Adam Gase being a good coach or a good hire. He just flamed out in Miami. Good lord. 

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2 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

It sounds like the Jets have come under the impression that they gave Bowles too much free reign, and totally allowed him to pick and maintain his own staff without checks and balances. And, they do not want to repeat that presumed mistake, particularly with Darnold as a commodity.

You can also surmise that they feel talent was not developed under the staff, or that Macc sold that to ownership.

I agree that they were determined not to have another Kacey/Bates debacle but Macc must be some salesman if he convinced ownership that Bowles & Co screwed up his A+ draft picks.

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5 minutes ago, Pac said:

riddle me this logic man. 

why was mccarthy begging for the job like a stuck pig a day before the Jets dashed his dream?

He was working PR, nothing more.  Trying to convince the team (Macc) to give in and hire him under his terms by playing the media.  Maybe playing the owner vs. the GM too.

Again, if you think Gase was the teams #1 choice, that bridge I offered can be yours for a low low price, Homer.

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3 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Good for the Jets for demanding the next coach bring in quality coordinators, like *checks notes* Dowell Loggains

Dowell Loggains is the doofiest looking guy on the planet, looks like even @RutgersJetFan could probably take him, and that’s sad. But the reality is Gase is the OC, not that that is any better Necessarily 

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38 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Sounds an awful lot like damage control out of McCarthys camp too.  

Wasnt McCarthy, was the staff.  McCarthy had issues with the Jets FO structure and composition.  But he wanted the job, was the only job he would consider.  After no one else wanted him of course.  

If I was McCarthy and was only thinking of coaching again the piece is exactly what I would want out there

Isn’t it a little more believable now that he’s the second coach that interviewed to say this? Rhule complained of the same thing. 

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Just now, NoBowles said:

I wanted McCarthy, but didn’t Macadoo make some pretty harsh comments about Darnold? Am I wrong about that?

If mccarthy wanted to bring him in, we should have reservations about that.

You are right about Macadoo, he said that he didn’t like the way Darnold throws. So if it was his choice I’m sure that he would of went with Rosen, who has beautiful mechanics, right? Wrong. He liked Josh Allen the most lmfao. Talks about how he’d have trouble drafting a guy at #3 when you don’t like the way he throws the football but he thinks the 52% passer is better? Then get this...his second favorite QB was Lamar Jackson, the other inaccurate QB who can’t read NFL defenses. He was most worried about Baker and Darnold...the two best QB’s in the class going by first year stats.

Ben McAdoo doesn’t like the way Sam Darnold throws the football

Ben McAdoo rose through the ranks to become an NFL head coach before he turned 40, largely on his ability to assess and develop quarterbacks. Most everything went awry for him and the Giants in 2017, but that should not discount McAdoo as a keen evaluator of the most important position on the field.

With time to kill and a desire to stay close to the gameafter he was fired with four games remaining last season, McAdoo took it upon himself to scout the top quarterbacks entering the 2018 draft. He rated Josh Allen of Wyoming as the best of the bunch — new Giants coach Pat Shurmur also had Allen No. 1 — but, overall, McAdoo was not enamored of this class of quarterbacks.

“There was no Andrew Luck coming out, no guy head and shoulders above everybody else,’’ McAdoo told The Post.

That is not the most encouraging news for the Jets. McAdoo wonders if Sam Darnold, taken No. 3, will ever be the franchise-saver the Jets need him to be. McAdoo could not get past flaws in Darnold’s throwing mechanics and his ball security.

“I think the kid the Jets drafted has a lot of magic in his game,’’ McAdoo said. “I think he’s special. He’s obviously a talented guy, he can make plays with his feet. I’d just have a hard time drafting a guy in the first round where you don’t necessarily like the way he throws.

“He can overcome it, guys have, but that’s something that’s a challenge for me. I’m gonna be looking at that, trying to fix it, because it’s a fundamental flaw, and I believe in the fundamentals. The quarterback, his No. 1 job is to pass the football. If I don’t like the way he throws the ball, I have a hard time picking him, right?’’

McAdoo had Allen — taken by the Bills at No. 7 — at his top quarterback based on his “high ceiling.’’ His second-rated player was Lamar Jackson of Louisville, who went No. 32 to the Ravens. He put Darnold slightly ahead of Josh Rosen — who went No. 10 to the Cardinals — based on Rosen’s durability concerns.

If he stays out on the field he’s probably going to be a helluva player and he’s probably going to be the most ready to play,’’ McAdoo said of Rosen. “I don’t worry about the other stuff they say, the leadership stuff, that’s all B.S. Aaron Rodgers was not all that. I don’t want a nice guy. Between the lines on Sunday, you give me a prick, I’ll take him.’’

McAdoo worked with Browns general manager John Dorsey when the two were together in Green Bay and said “I have a lot of respect for how he looks at players.’’ Still, McAdoo sounded a bit mystified Dorsey made Baker Mayfield the No. 1 pick in the entire draft. McAdoo had Mayfield as his sixth-rated quarterback (Mason Rudolph of Oklahoma State was his No. 5).

“He’s got an edge to him, I like that. He’s gonna lead, they’re gonna follow him,’’ McAdoo said of Mayfield. “I didn’t see a lot of pro-style football in his college tape. And if you’re short you have to be able to make up for it some way, somehow, and personality doesn’t do that.” I didn’t think he was a great athlete. This guy is kinda like a pocket quarterback that is short and with small hands, that’s what I worry about.’’

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15 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

It sounds like the Jets have come under the impression that they gave Bowles too much free reign, and totally allowed him to pick and maintain his own staff without checks and balances. And, they do not want to repeat that presumed mistake, particularly with Darnold as a commodity.

You can also surmise that they feel talent was not developed under the staff, or that Macc sold that to ownership.

This more than anything.  

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49 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

So basically, the Jets simply went with the guy most willing to be their whipping boy.  That's really just fantastic.

surprised?

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Eh, this reads like La canfora is a mouthpiece for McCarthy. 

Everything else we have heard strongly suggests that the Jets just weren't particularly interested in McCarthy. 

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I like that the Jets were as interested in the staff as the HC. They don't  want another staff like Bowles had where everyone seemed much worse than the HC, they want multiple HC's on the team. 

Screw all of you that think the Jets were looking for someone they could bend to their will. Bowles was here for an extended time because of his staff being so inexperienced. No more BS like that. 

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I don't know which direction this is coming from or whatever the deal is but, one thing is for sure:

The Jets (Maccagnan) weren't going to have someone come in and push them around and tell them what to do--that's what McCarthy was going to do.  

It just wasn't the right fit.

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6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Everything that’s come out of the national media has been funneled through CAA.

No one with a straight face can sell Adam Gase being a good coach or a good hire. He just flamed out in Miami. Good lord. 

Actually no one with a straight face can back the shlt youre selling.  

Now its CAA, LOL

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The statement  "McCarthy complied with the request but began to have reservations about the process at this point, sources said, and was unsure if this would in fact be a match." is a pure lie by Laconfora.

You have to remember Laconfora reported on CBS pregame show on live tv a fiction that McCarthy was going to opt out of any jobs and wasn't interested in the Jets. This was a false report. He is trying to do spin control for himself and McCarthy to make it look like it was McCarthy who had reservations and not the other way around.

It is standard procedure to ask who the coordinators would be so there is absolutely no reason this would give him reservation. It is actually quite funny if you think about it. He is doing the same thing Rhule did to make it seem like he wasn't the one rejected.

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6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah, now how do you excuse off the same things being said out of the national media?

the national media is saying the Jets Football operation is weird. It is weird. Rhule said it. McCarthy’s people are now saying it. We all see it. Gase is willing to roll with it. 

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Amazing.

Once again, Macc is the problem and Macc winds up with his second (or third tbqh) choice and tries to make it look like it was the plan all along.

McCarthy balked because Macc is a bad GM, a bad GM who wanted to control who McCarthy, a 13 year NFL Head Coach and Super Bowl winner, wanted on his staff.  What an amazingly poorly handled minor league move by Macc, trying to micromanage the staff like that for a guy with 100x times the resume Macc has.  And a sure indication that Macc would give McCarthy problems with the roster and talent too.

Macc then blows the deal with Rhule, same issue.  At least in this case a bit more justified, although if you're hard after a college coach with no real pro resume, because you know, youth and college offenses or something, why balk at college assistant coaches too?

So, we wind up with Gase, the contestant behind door #3.  Is what it is, and we'll all have to root for him (and getting Gregg Williams is a nice consolation prize if it happens), but once again (like with Cousins) it looks like Macc is a complete failure at closing the deal and getting the best, first choices for our Jets.  Maybe it'll work out, but damn, does Macc mange via failure or what?

 

So, it was wrong to check and see if McCarthy planned to bring along a guy that went on record as saying Darnold wasn’t a first round pick because his throwing motion needed to be rebuilt?

 

That sounds like a good way to ruin a 21 year old potential franchise QB.

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