Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Trumaine's stats with Gregg Williams (2012, 2014-16): 13 INT's, 42 PD's, 194 tackles (166 solo), 7 TFL's in 53 games Trumaine's stats without Gregg Williams (2013, 2017-18): 9 INT's, 30 PD's, 173 tackles (150 solo), 3 TFL's in 42 games Honestly I was hoping for a better split. His best season by far (2015), was under Williams, however. 7 INT's, 1 TD, 17 PD's, 71 tackles (58 solo), 1 TFL, 1 FR. At 29 and getting paid the kind of money he is, let's hope Williams unleashes 2015 Trumaine here in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe the Breadman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Trumaine Johnson was the biggest disappointment on the team ( in my humble opinion) bar none. And the Cleveland game where he started up with Landry and got flagged over it . And the "quad injury". And 10 other moronic plays where he clearly looked like he was trying to get flagged. It just seemed like he clearly didn't give a sh*t for the overwhelming majority of the season. What a drag. A rich one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 What’s his contract like? Can they let him walk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 One of the top reasons I like this move - he will use Trumaine the way he's supposed to be used and make our investment much more worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, New York Mick said: What’s his contract like? Can they let him walk? He's the # 2 biggest hit against the cap in 2019 behind Leo, at $12 million. (Leo is $14 million) Cutting him right now would result in $24 million in "dead money", and we'd still be on the hook for his cap figure. Cut him after June 1, 2019, and we get a $12 million dead money hit and $0 cap savings. The earliest it would make financial sense to cut him is after June 1, 2020. We'd end up with a $4 million dead money hit (spread out over two seasons) and save $11 million in cap space. So he's a virtual lock to be on the roster for the full 2019 season. Hence why I hope Williams can get the most out of him in 2019, and perhaps beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, New York Mick said: What’s his contract like? Can they let him walk? not without a high cap hit until 2020. imo he'll rebound this season and then who knows in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: He's the # 2 biggest hit against the cap in 2019 behind Leo, at $12 million. (Leo is $14 million) Cutting him right now would result in $24 million in "dead money", and we'd still be on the hook for his cap figure. Cut him after June 1, 2019, and we get a $12 million dead money hit and $0 cap savings. The earliest it would make financial sense to cut him is after June 1, 2020. We'd end up with a $4 million dead money hit (spread out over two seasons) and save $11 million in cap space. So he's a virtual lock to be on the roster for the full 2019 season. Hence why I hope Williams can get the most out of him in 2019, and perhaps beyond. That’s ******* awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, New York Mick said: That’s ******* awful That's Big Maccccc for ya. Yet his remaining supporters will be like "AT LEAST WE HAVE A WAY OUT OF THE CONTRACT!!! GENIUS!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneChrebet80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Cornerback is becoming a position you need to draft and develop. Its obvuous Trumaine didnt have the physical skills anymore to play CB in the NFL. Maybe he was out of shape and will work harder in the offseason, but my bet is Trumaine knows he is done after this year and will be a complete non factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 I just noticed that, somehow, Johnson got a 74.9 grade from PFF this past season, ranking him the # 25 corner in the NFL. The only way that's true is if all of the following are simultaneously true: Corner play league-wide is really that bad; PFF is grading him on a curve because our system was bad; PFF is also grading him on a curve because we couldn't generate an organic pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneChrebet80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: I just noticed that, somehow, Johnson got a 74.9 grade from PFF this past season, ranking him the # 25 corner in the NFL. The only way that's true is if all of the following are simultaneously true: Corner play league-wide is really that bad; PFF is grading him on a curve because our system was bad; PFF is also grading him on a curve because we couldn't generate a pass rush PFF is clickbait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I just noticed that, somehow, Johnson got a 74.9 grade from PFF this past season, ranking him the # 25 corner in the NFL. The only way that's true is if all of the following are simultaneously true: Corner play league-wide is really that bad; PFF is grading him on a curve because our system was bad; PFF is also grading him on a curve because we couldn't generate an organic pass rush. 25th in a league with 32 #1 corners isn’t very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I just noticed that, somehow, Johnson got a 74.9 grade from PFF this past season, ranking him the # 25 corner in the NFL. The only way that's true is if all of the following are simultaneously true: Corner play league-wide is really that bad; PFF is grading him on a curve because our system was bad; PFF is also grading him on a curve because we couldn't generate an organic pass rush. 2 QBs passed for 5k Yards. 12 QBs passed for 4k yards (including Derek Carr who had zero weapons after Cooper was traded) Eli Manning was a train wreck this past year. Lose Odell. He managed to pass for 4300 yards. This isn't 1986. Only a couple of teams ground and pound it (Seattle being the #1 culprit). The one thing I have noticed from Jets fans on this board is that they don't really watch other teams or understand the NFL outside of the Jets bubble. Don't get me wrong, Johnson was disappointment this year because even if he was the #25 corner that doesn't justify his salary. But there are people on here that get a little dramatic and act as if Johnson was getting beat on every play. It's clearly not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, WayneChrebet80 said: PFF is clickbait Yeah, those stupid nerds that watch and analyze every play of every game know far less than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, WayneChrebet80 said: PFF is clickbait It's the only tool available to the public that grades players on every play. Football Outsiders is a solid tool as well, but only for QB's, skill players, and the play of offenses and defenses as a unit. Front offices can and do have much better tools at their disposal, but for now, there's not much else for us fans to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: He's the # 2 biggest hit against the cap in 2019 behind Leo, at $12 million. (Leo is $14 million) Cutting him right now would result in $24 million in "dead money", and we'd still be on the hook for his cap figure. Cut him after June 1, 2019, and we get a $12 million dead money hit and $0 cap savings. The earliest it would make financial sense to cut him is after June 1, 2020. We'd end up with a $4 million dead money hit (spread out over two seasons) and save $11 million in cap space. So he's a virtual lock to be on the roster for the full 2019 season. Hence why I hope Williams can get the most out of him in 2019, and perhaps beyond. Big Macc Baby! Always structuring deals he can get out of in short order! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 No CB will look any good when there is a non-existent pass rush. Johnson and all our secondary will appear much better if Williams can somehow figure out how to generate a viable pass rush and QB pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, Joe the Breadman said: Trumaine Johnson was the biggest disappointment on the team ( in my humble opinion) bar none. And the Cleveland game where he started up with Landry and got flagged over it . And the "quad injury". And 10 other moronic plays where he clearly looked like he was trying to get flagged. It just seemed like he clearly didn't give a sh*t for the overwhelming majority of the season. What a drag. A rich one at that. Lee and Williams say Hello! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Tru is ridiculously underrated on this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, nico002 said: Tru is ridiculously underrated on this board I don't think he's underrated OR overrated. For a guy who is paid as highly as he is, I can understand the vitriol for lack of impact plays. With a pass rush and operating as a press corner, he'll look a lot better. But I still wouldn't consider him a CB1. He's a good CB2 being paid like a high-end CB1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Johnson was one of many players who checked out under Bowles and Rodgers. Hopefully under Gase and Williams checking out won't be an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, New York Mick said: That’s ******* awful In my best Seinfeld voice ("Newman!"): Maccagnan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 With Gase and Williams here Trumaine won’t be able to pull the same kind of sh*t he did this year. I do think he will bounce back next year but he has a lot of work to do to gain back trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 He wasn't physically right most of the season and was playing for the worst DC in the league. Both should be remedied in 19. I think some of you underestimate how awful Rogers was. It's not a coincidence that players never once mentioned Kacy Rogers names as someone they'll miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 45 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I just noticed that, somehow, Johnson got a 74.9 grade from PFF this past season, ranking him the # 25 corner in the NFL. The only way that's true is if all of the following are simultaneously true: Corner play league-wide is really that bad; PFF is grading him on a curve because our system was bad; PFF is also grading him on a curve because we couldn't generate an organic pass rush. CB is pretty terrible these days, but not only that, while Johnson was mostly a disappointment, he did have a handful of good games which very likely helped him out significantly in his grade/rankings. As fans, those of course don't particularly jump out to us considering what an overall disappointment he was compared to the expectations. Not to mention, PFF doesn't give a crap how much the guy is getting paid, which obviously influences our perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 47 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: I just noticed that, somehow, Johnson got a 74.9 grade from PFF this past season, ranking him the # 25 corner in the NFL. The only way that's true is if all of the following are simultaneously true: Corner play league-wide is really that bad; PFF is grading him on a curve because our system was bad; PFF is also grading him on a curve because we couldn't generate an organic pass rush. or as usual Jets fans are underrating their own players Trumaine Johnson had several impact plays this year including the pick 6 TD more than we can say for Josh McCown for example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: Not to mention, PFF doesn't give a crap how much the guy is getting paid, which obviously influences our perspective. yeah but the only reason Trumaine Johnson showed up was money there was no scenario where the Jets get a #1 CB type to show for a ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'd love to think he'll improve under Williams but I think if we're being honest with ourselves we can recognize that he was an overrated player whose best days were already behind him that we overpaid due to scarcity, necessity, and a preposterous amount of cap room due to an untalented roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe the Breadman said: t just seemed like he clearly didn't give a sh*t for the overwhelming majority of the season. That was rampant under Bowles. For me...I want to see what happens when he gets to play press man again, which is where he played that got him paid. How he was utilized is really baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Pac said: He wasn't physically right most of the season and was playing for the worst DC in the league. Both should be remedied in 19. I think some of you underestimate how awful Rogers was. It's not a coincidence that players never once mentioned Kacy Rogers names as someone they'll miss. You're not wrong here. Bowles' biggest failures were on the defensive side of the ball, and for his stubborn support of keeping his friend at DC while simultaneously firing OC's. Made zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: I just noticed that, somehow, Johnson got a 74.9 grade from PFF this past season, ranking him the # 25 corner in the NFL. The only way that's true is if all of the following are simultaneously true: Corner play league-wide is really that bad; PFF is grading him on a curve because our system was bad; PFF is also grading him on a curve because we couldn't generate an organic pass rush. I think you hit it with corner play just being mediocre at best... I honestly have to think really hard to name a 'stud' CB... Excuse me while I vomit a bunch of stats: Almost every passing stat was up this year from last, and that's a trend. QBs averaged 237 yards a game up from 224... Although it was 241 in 2016, but still you can see the trend when you zoom out. The total passing yards this year was 121,737 with 847 TD passes, vs 114.870 with 741 TDs in 2017... Completion percentage was 64.9% this year vs. 62.1% last year... It was 60% in 2012, and has been climbing. Yards per attempt were at 7.4 yards this year vs. 7,0 in 2017. Passing TDs averaged 1.7, up from 1.4, while average INTs stayed the same at .08... Actually looking back, the last time the league averaged 1 interception a season was 2013. The last time the league managed 500 INTs in a season was 2013. QB rating was 92.9 vs. 86.9 last year. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm TLDR; Offenses have been getting better and defenses haven't been keeping up, for the most part. CB play hasn't gotten better in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 he needs to play better... much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, docdhc said: 25th in a league with 32 #1 corners isn’t very good Let's see how he fares in Greg Williams system. Todd and Kacy's system was not right for Tru. He was miscast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm trying to dig up stats on opponents time to throw vs. CB performance, but haven't found anything that quite fits. But I think we can all agree that if opponents have more time to throw, because there's 0 pressure, the worse CBs are going to look... Eventually someone gets open. So I do wonder where the Jets sat with those stats. I'm not trying to let Johnson off the hook for this season with all my stat posts... Mostly just looking for reasons to think his play was more a result of the league and the overall defense than just him not being very good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Tru admitted he was poor this year. Now with a coordinator who has pulled the best from him before and won't take him slacking off, let's see how this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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