rayzor Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Now that we have our DC and STC coaches officially locked up, the major piece remaining is the OC. Is the hiring of Dowell Loggains a foregone conclusion? Gase has repeatedly said in interviews that there are coaches that he wants to talk to that are still under contract. Loggains is still under contract with the Phins until Flores gets to pick his own staff. Which means we have to wait until the Pats post season run ends. While most people here dread the thought of Loggains, Gase did also say that he will be the QB coach and will be calling the plays as well. It is his scheme. Here is some info on Loggains: Tennessee Titans (2008–2009) Offensive quality control coordinator Tennessee Titans (2010–2011) Quarterbacks coach for Vince Young and Matt Hasselbeck Tennessee Titans (2012–2013) Offensive coordinator - ranked 26th and 22nd with Locker/Hasselbeck/Fitzpatrick as QB's. Cleveland Browns (2014) Quarterbacks coach for Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel Chicago Bears (2015) Quarterbacks coach for Jay Cutler - Gase was his OC Chicago Bears (2016–2017) Offensive coordinator - ranked 15th and 30th with Barkley/ Cutler/Hoyer/Trubisky and Glennon as his QB's Miami Dolphins (2018–present) Offensive coordinator - ranked 31st with Tannehill and Osweiler as his QB's. Gase was the HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 An OC that does not call plays is barely an OC at all. And that's good news, because he is not good at that job. He's more of a "consultant". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 He will fetch coffee for Gase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Adam Gase is the defacto OC. Logans is his assistant/person to run things by/help game planning. For what it’s worth both Orvlovski and Chris Simms have spoken glowing of Logans. Saying that he’s extremely innovative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, nico002 said: For what it’s worth both Orvlovski and Chris Simms have spoken glowing of Logans. Saying that he’s extremely innovative. That's a powerhouse QB duo right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: That's a powerhouse QB duo right there. actually they have both been very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, k-met57 said: actually they have both been very good. At what, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Gase clearly rates and values Loggains for his input during the week, in game planning, running drills, handling film study etc. That helps to free Gase for the other aspects of a HC's job. On Sundays, when it counts, it will be Gase's show. I know Loggains is seen as a joke by many, but Gase values him and Loggains won't be calling plays. So let him hire his guy, if that is what he wants to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, rayzor said: Now that we have our DC and STC coaches supposedly locked up, the major piece remaining is the OC. Is the hiring of Dowell Loggains a foregone conclusion? Why worry about it now? When it's official, it'll be official. It's not like we're playing games on Sunday, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: An OC that does not call plays is barely an OC at all. And that's good news, because he is not good at that job. He's more of a "consultant". Do we know that for sure? He has had Cutler/Osweiller/Tannehill/Barkley/Trubisky as his QBs. If he was the OC under Andy Reid this year, he would have had the same job and looked like a genius because of Reid/Mahomes/Hill/Kelce/Hunt etc... Don't get me wrong, if we had hired Vic Fangio as our DC and Loggains as our OC to groom Darnold I would NOT be happy, but I think it's a little premature to just assume the guy is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I heard he squirts oil in gases eyes every 4 hrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: An OC that does not call plays is barely an OC at all. And that's good news, because he is not good at that job. He's more of a "consultant". There is so much to being an OC beyond calling the plays. Designing the O --- which includes route combinations, formations, modifications to suit current personnel (i.e. putting the ball into your best players hands), game planning and installing the O. While admittedly, this will all be likely done by Gase (with his OC's help), I can't stand that people think an OC's main job is to call the plays. In fact, I think teams should audition coaches as "play callers" because the qualities that make a good play caller have nothing to do with all of the other crap a good OC has to do. And if play calling is what makes a good OC, Eric Bienemy would not have been considered for HC jobs this season after only 1 year of Reid's OC. And Matt Nagy would not have been hires as the Bear's HC last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: At what, exactly? Well Simms has a podcast and he is on pro football talk...his draft analysis and game film breakdown is second to none as far as whats available in the media. Orlovsky has come onto the scene recently but i think has become regarded as an analyst on espn and social media. I am not sure if you are asking seriously or not, but if you are...i suggest subscribing to bleacher report on youtube and listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: An OC that does not call plays is barely an OC at all. And that's good news, because he is not good at that job. He's more of a "consultant". The problem is there's literally no evidence to suggest he's any good at that either. The only argument in favor of Loggains is if we all just assume the Jets are paying him to do absolutely nothing. Hardly inspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Gase is the oc/hc this guy is just collecting a pay check and running errands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I heard they are putting the final touches on his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 We're effectively all in on Gase who will be calling the plays. Makes sense to hire his guy, even if the resume is underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: The problem is there's literally no evidence to suggest he's any good at that either. The only argument in favor of Loggains is if we all just assume the Jets are paying him to do absolutely nothing. Hardly inspiring. Maybe Dildo Baggins is Igor to Gase's Dr. Frankenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: There is so much to being an OC beyond calling the plays. Designing the O --- which includes route combinations, formations, modifications to suit current personnel (i.e. putting the ball into your best players hands), game planning and installing the O. While admittedly, this will all be likely done by Gase (with his OC's help), I can't stand that people think an OC's main job is to call the plays. In fact, I think teams should audition coaches as "play callers" because the qualities that make a good play caller have nothing to do with all of the other crap a good OC has to do. And if play calling is what makes a good OC, Eric Bienemy would not have been considered for HC jobs this season after only 1 year of Reid's OC. And Matt Nagy would not have been hires as the Bear's HC last year. It's not the only part of the job, but Gase himself has called it the "best part of the job". He'll be leaving the boring, workmanlike stuff to Loggains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, k-met57 said: I am not sure if you are asking seriously or not, but if you are...i suggest subscribing to bleacher report on youtube and listening. I would never, ever subscribe to Bleacher Report. I was making a joke about those 2 guys being horrible QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Yeah, as others have said, it’s not like he would be calling the plays or anything so I’m fine with him if that’s who Gase feels comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I would never, ever subscribe to Bleacher Report. I was making a joke about those 2 guys being horrible QB's. Ok then. There is no law against being an uneducated fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, Jet Life said: He will fetch coffee for Gase The last thing homeboy needs is caffeine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 So, if I'm reading all this correctly, if you have a great QB the coach shouldn't be praised, but if you don't have any above average QBs to work with it's OK to pan him? So both negative views are acceptable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 He's to Gase what Jeff Weeks was to Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: An OC that does not call plays is barely an OC at all. And that's good news, because he is not good at that job. He's more of a "consultant". Matt LaFleur was the Rams "OC" working under Sean McVay. Somehow LaFleur has parlayed that into being a play calling OC in Tennessee, and most recently into a play calling head coach in Green Bay. If the Jets take off this year then teams in need of a head coach will be looking for some Gase clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Hoping Gase hires someone else who'll bring different ideas into the offensive room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 47 minutes ago, Jet Life said: He will fetch coffee for Gase 49 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And that's good news, because he is not good at that job. He's more of a "consultant". Sounds a lot like Big Mac and Christopher Johnson’s relationship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 might be a great guy, the resume is lousy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Matt LaFleur was the Rams "OC" working under Sean McVay. Somehow LaFleur has parlayed that into being a play calling OC in Tennessee, and most recently into a play calling head coach in Green Bay. If the Jets take off this year then teams in need of a head coach will be looking for some Gase clones. Very true. Doesn't make them smart hires though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, k-met57 said: Ok then. There is no law against being an uneducated fan. Bleacher Report was created BY fans. It's rarely a great source of information, because anyone can write for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, rayzor said: Now that we have our DC and STC coaches supposedly locked up, the major piece remaining is the OC. Is the hiring of Dowell Loggains a foregone conclusion? Gase has repeatedly said in interviews that there are coaches that he wants to talk to that are still under contract. Loggains is still under contract with the Phins until Flores gets to pick his own staff. Which means we have to wait until the Pats post season run ends. While most people here dread the thought of Loggains, Gase did also say that he will be the QB coach and will be calling the plays as well. It is his scheme. Here is some info on Loggains: Tennessee Titans (2010–2011) Quarterbacks coach for Vince Young and Matt Hasselbeck Tennessee Titans (2012–2013) Offensive coordinator - ranked 26th and 22nd with Locker/Hasselbeck/Fitzpatrick as QB's. Cleveland Browns (2014) Quarterbacks coach for Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel Chicago Bears (2015) Quarterbacks coach for Jay Cutler - Gase was his OC Chicago Bears (2016–2017) Offensive coordinator - ranked 15th and 30th with Barkley/ Cutler/Hoyer/Trubisky and Glennon as his QB's Miami Dolphins (2018–present) Offensive coordinator - ranked 31st with Tannehill and Osweiler as his QB's. Gase was the HC OC under Gase is like DC under Rex, it virtually doesn't matter. The DC is the more important hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 We can assume that it's irrelevant. Gase is calling the plays. It's his offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The man has coached in the NFL since 2010, yet this thread is littered with "experts" who are mocking him and saying he's incapable of doing his job. With all due respect, how the hell would any of you know better then the people he works with? Who by the way, happen to be NFL coaches, and who continue to employ him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I think it’s amusing that people assume the plays being called are just pulled out of thin air on gameday. An OC has a litany of things to do through the week in preparation to gameday and including on gameday, even if he isn’t calling plays. Suggesting anything less just proves ones naivety / lack of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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